Home | Community | Message Board
You are not signed in.
Sign In New Account
Forum Index Search Posts Trusted Vendors Highlights Galleries FAQ User List Chat Store Random Growery


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.

General Interest > Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
Christian 'friendship' ?
    #6946878 -

Recently received a generic family letter from a second-cousin. Natalie, a born-again Christian, sounded pleased-as-punch that she had made several Saudi friends.

"Kalil is a great guy and a follower of Islam. I am so excited to be able to share ideas with him and pray that The Lord will guide me to say the right things so that Kalil will come to accept our Saviour as the one true God."

Nowhere does she state that she hopes to understand and accept his faith as being the right path for him. The possibility of her conversion to Islam would not occur to her in a billion years as it is so foreign. Yet, she does not grok that that is very likely Kalil's exact same POV.

Is a secret aggressive mission and wish to convert and non-acceptance of another not antithetical to friendship?


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Christian 'friendship' ? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #6946910 -

In her situation, only Jesus is her "friend"... The rest of us are simply pawns.

This is one of the bad things about religion in general...

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Christian 'friendship' ? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #6946919 -

well when youre in it, its different, you're trying to help others! this is what a good friend would do, save others from your perception of hell, right? :spicy:

this friendship will level out, foshodoherdat!


--------------------
notapillow said: "you are going about this endeavor all wrong. clear your mind of useless fear and concern. buy the ticket, take the ride, and all that.... "

ChrisWho said: "It's all about the journey, not the destination."

Edited by mickdawg666 (05/21/07 11:49 AM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Christian 'friendship' ? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #6947030 -

OrgoneConclusion said:
Recently received a generic family letter from a second-cousin. Natalie, a born-again Christian, sounded pleased-as-punch that she had made several Saudi friends.

"Kalil is a great guy and a follower of Islam. I am so excited to be able to share ideas with him and pray that The Lord will guide me to say the right things so that Kalil will come to accept our Saviour as the one true God."

Nowhere does she state that she hopes to understand and accept his faith as being the right path for him. The possibility of her conversion to Islam would not occur to her in a billion years as it is so foreign. Yet, she does not grok that that is very likely Kalil's exact same POV.

Is a secret aggressive mission and wish to convert and non-acceptance of another not antithetical to friendship?


"Twas ever thus"


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Christian 'friendship' ? [Re: Icelander]
    #6947039 -

*shmoopy's inner dialog*

'If only I could wean Icelander from that Castaneda nonsense like a good friend should...'


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Christian 'friendship' ? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #6947168 -

Quote:
Is a secret aggressive mission and wish to convert and non-acceptance of another not antithetical to friendship?


I think that the way she hopes into getting this guy into Christianity, it is possible that Kalil wants to get her into Islam.
It's just the way religions work. :shrug:


--------------------
:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Christian 'friendship' ? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #6947194 -

MushroomTrip said:
Quote:
Is a secret aggressive mission and wish to convert and non-acceptance of another not antithetical to friendship?


I think that the way she hopes into getting this guy into Christianity, it is possible that Kalil wants to get her into Islam.
It's just the way religions work. :shrug:


it is possible that Kalil wants to get her into bed. :naughty:


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Christian 'friendship' ? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #6947214 -

Which in Islam laws it is usually followed by marriage. Which will mean that she will have to convert :lol:


--------------------
:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Christian 'friendship' ? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #6947560 -

The ontological status of Issa/Jesus as a prophet, in the Qu'ran, makes a whole lot more sense to the Muslim than the Hellenistic (and decidedly non-Jewish) notion that Jesus was the Incarnation of the Godhead. Hebrews never would have come up with such a Greek notion as a 'demigod' - born of God and a mortal woman (like Heracles, Dionysius, etc.), and for the same Semitic bias, neither would a Muslim. In fact, the Synoptic view of Jesus is 'a man anointed by God,' NOT the Johanine notion of 'God clothed in flesh.' The Synoptic view makes Jesus human, but a human who was overshadowed by the very Presence of God - just like a Jewish prophet. The Johannine theology has completely colored the Synoptic theology in the minds of the average Christian, and most Christians are not even average!

If Christian theology had not included the Gospel of John, this Christian imperialism might never have developed to create the extreme juxtaposition with Islam. God would have remained God, and Jesus as Christ (anointed) might not have so alienated the Muslims as incarnational theology does. If this isn't Hellenistic and Pagan enough for the Muslim, Mohammed himself came to believe that another non-Jewish notion - the Holy Trinity - meant that Christians were polytheistic - the original enemy of Islam! I think Christians should look at Mark 10:18 and read it in a way that demythologizes the incarnational theology: "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. No one is good -- except God alone." Not claiming Divinity as His identity in a way different from our own identities in God would reformulate the Christian revelation in a way that is not at loggerhead with the Islamic revelation. It would probably be closer to the Truth too. God just doesn't become material...except of course in this unique claim of Incarnation. Such radical revision need not threaten a Christian who is strong in his/her faith, and especially one who has been granted any working degree of gnosis. The very historicity of Jesus then does not impact the very working of Christ in humankind.


--------------------
γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Christian 'friendship' ? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #6949957 -

Good point Markos !

In general I would propose that both ponder about the same historical roots and origins of their now seemingly different religions.
Then they can better see where and why these differences arose, besides that they worship the same God.
This could strengthen their friendship with themselves and g*d.
No reason for alienation there.


--------------------
Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
......................................................
"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Christian 'friendship' ? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #6950627 -

OrgoneConclusion said:
Recently received a generic family letter from a second-cousin. Natalie, a born-again Christian, sounded pleased-as-punch that she had made several Saudi friends.

"Kalil is a great guy and a follower of Islam. I am so excited to be able to share ideas with him and pray that The Lord will guide me to say the right things so that Kalil will come to accept our Saviour as the one true God."

Nowhere does she state that she hopes to understand and accept his faith as being the right path for him. The possibility of her conversion to Islam would not occur to her in a billion years as it is so foreign. Yet, she does not grok that that is very likely Kalil's exact same POV.

Is a secret aggressive mission and wish to convert and non-acceptance of another not antithetical to friendship?


I'd assume it isn't exactly orthodox for a friendship to be built around both parties trying to convert each other to their religion. Unless someone budges and converts, it is doomed to failure. If the twain faiths of the two are unshakable, it will never work.

They worship the same God anyway. Simpletons made for each other, I say.


--------------------


"Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Christian 'friendship' ? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #6951924 -

OrgoneConclusion said:
*shmoopy's inner dialog*

'If only I could wean Icelander from that Castaneda nonsense like a good friend should...'


You can't because it works. Now what you do here doesn't do a thingy for me. Still, I love ya unconditionally.:)


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Christian 'friendship' ? [Re: Icelander]
    #6952460 -

That was my inner dialogue. You were not supposed to be 'listening'.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Christian 'friendship' ? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #6952788 -

I have to note: Haven't many of your posts been concerned with convincing others that their way was flawed due to irrational components to their beliefs?


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Christian 'friendship' ? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #6953261 -

But did he dispute their beliefs whilst pretending to be seeking friendship?

The question is not whether it is OK to disagree with/dislike/dispute someone else's beliefs, but whether it is disingenuous to enter a friendship with the intention of converting someone to your beliefs.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
an arabian oral traditional story of jesus [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #6953457 -

issa ibn maryam was once approached by a group of seekers from a land in which the spirit of covetousness was still strong...
they entreated him to teach them the word by which he had raised the dead...
he told them "if i tell you the word, you will abuse it"...
they assured him that they would not, and said to him "besides, it will make our faith stonger"...
issa replied unto them "it shall be as you wish" and told them the word...
they then thanked him, and continued on their way...
as they journeyed on, they came upon a bleached pile of bones by the side of the road and said to one another "let us test the word which master issa has revealed unto us" and uttered it...
immediately, the bones became clothed with the flesh of a ravenous beast, which devoured them all...

~

he who has ears, let him hear...


~~~~~~~~~~~~~


--------------------
old enough to know better
not old enough to care

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Christian 'friendship' ? [Re: Veritas]
    #6953873 -

Quote:
whilst pretending to be seeking friendship?


You got me there. However, it is acceptable for friends to influence each other, but it is also acceptable to tell friends to fuck off as well.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: an arabian oral traditional story of jesus [Re: gnrm23]
    #6954574 -

Ha thanks for posting man you have been missed. :thumbup:


--------------------
:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: an arabian oral traditional story of jesus [Re: gnrm23]
    #6955312 -

Greetings gnrm23!!! Nice to see you here again!

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

General Interest > Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* To the Christians; From Enter
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 all )		 World Spirit 13,794 157 07/21/03 07:37 PM
by Funguy
* Christianity, Colonialism, Capitalism and Islam. atomikfunksoldier 2,079 14 07/14/03 07:44 AM
by gnrm23
* Christianity and the threat of Hell
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 all )		 CUBErt 20,447 179 05/16/16 07:11 AM
by majicman30
* why christianity is bullshit
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 all )		 KingOftheThing 25,101 161 04/24/11 05:50 PM
by Holy Bud
* If the Christian god is real...
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 all )		 Isaac 15,249 155 05/16/09 02:39 PM
by MarkostheGnostic
* Christianity = Faith of the Lazy
( 1 2 3 4 5 all )		 Syle 9,531 91 07/04/06 07:23 PM
by Schwammel
* Questions For Christians
( 1 2 all )		 LayYouIn 2,690 32 01/01/08 04:54 PM
by Love Cap
* To all converts
( 1 2 all )		 Alan Stone 1,623 21 12/27/04 04:35 PM
by MarkostheGnostic

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, DividedQuantum
1,454 topic views. 0 members, 178 guests and 21 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2026 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.029 seconds spending 0.006 seconds on 16 queries.