Isaac said:

So the earth was created in 6,000 years?

Again this is false.

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2FiNiTe said:

Christ is nothing more than a persona put in the place of the sun, and given the adoration the sun was originally given. Beyond that, the bible and Christian theology is a clone of the Egyptian beliefs, as was their beliefs cloned from ones before them. The root is in astrology.

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Silversoul said:

Isaac said:

So the earth was created in 6,000 years?

Again this is false.

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Considering the passage is allegory, it needn't be interpreted that way either. Remember that people back then didn't even have a concept of a billion. They never saw 6 billion of anything(except grains of sand, but I don't think they were counting).

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Firewolf127 said:

2FiNiTe said:

Christ is nothing more than a persona put in the place of the sun, and given the adoration the sun was originally given. Beyond that, the bible and Christian theology is a clone of the Egyptian beliefs, as was their beliefs cloned from ones before them. The root is in astrology.

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http://www.iranchamber.com/religions/articles/mithraism_influence_on_christianity.php

There's a good place to start beyond merely stating 'Egyptian beliefs'

I still believe the Christ-Mithraism connection is partially historical revision, part the desire of Christianity to remain viable prior and up to the council of Nicea.

I believe the original point was about Genesis, and the lack of God giving you, the reader, time lines for his 'day.'
My Brother in Law is a Lutheran pastor, and explained it in a manner similar to this:

When the Old Testament was written, it was done so in a manner of speech common to that day. Man's perception of the Creation, or the big bang theory for that matter, are more rooted in imagination to this day, as we find difficulty with eternity and other metaphysical concepts.
However, the point of the Bible's lacking isn't a lazy God, but the necessity of choice. If God gave you irrefutable evidence of anything, without the ability to deny it, he robbed you of choice, the most important concept of the Testaments.

And God doesn't let bad things happen, they happen as a matter of choice and causality. We fuck things up enough without big guns upstairs taking the heat for it.

God didn't write the bible, he 'inspired the hearts of men' and to him the word is sufficient.

Christian bashing to commence in 3,2,1...

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Tchan909 said:

Isaac, if there is a God, its personality and its consciousness would obviously be so far removed from human comprehension as to render language irrelevant. Do you really think God thinks small enough to edit the Bible?

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Tchan909 said:

Firewolf, do you acknowledge the possibility that God had contact not only to the writers of the Bible, but also to Buddha and other figures who genuinely worked for the betterment of the human condition at their own expense?

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Tchan909 said:

When God speaks through a man, it's just that: God speaking through the use of the limited capacities of an individual human being. Whether or not the Bible was inspired by God, it is subject to the assumptions of the time and people that produced it.

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Isaac said:

Tchan909 said:

When God speaks through a man, it's just that: God speaking through the use of the limited capacities of an individual human being. Whether or not the Bible was inspired by God, it is subject to the assumptions of the time and people that produced it.

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So in order to communicate with man he had to limit himself?

Can't you see the Bible claims God is omnipotent therefore has no limitations? Where's the evidence of your claim that if god wants to speak with man he has to have the intelligence of man?

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Can't you see the Bible claims God is omnipotent therefore has no limitations? Where's the evidence of your claim that if god wants to speak with man he has to have the intelligence of man?

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Firewolf127 said:

Tchan909 said:

Firewolf, do you acknowledge the possibility that God had contact not only to the writers of the Bible, but also to Buddha and other figures who genuinely worked for the betterment of the human condition at their own expense?

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I contend that whatever God that is speaks to the heart and mind of every man, but in the end, our subjectivity of the message will be our undoing.

Isaac, the reason a Christian God wouldn't fix grammatical errors and continuity issues with scripture comes back to one of the points I presented earlier: Choice.
Man was inspired to write scripture, but it was man that composed the canonical (sp?) gospels as they are presented today. God would not interfere with a book, as he gave Christ to the world for salvation.
The bible is aimed at bringing man into a relationship with Christ, not satisfying a cynic's desire for perfection of syntax.

It's a fool's errand to try and understand the width and breadth of a living god.

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Silversoul said:

Isaac said:

Tchan909 said:

When God speaks through a man, it's just that: God speaking through the use of the limited capacities of an individual human being. Whether or not the Bible was inspired by God, it is subject to the assumptions of the time and people that produced it.

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So in order to communicate with man he had to limit himself?

Can't you see the Bible claims God is omnipotent therefore has no limitations? Where's the evidence of your claim that if god wants to speak with man he has to have the intelligence of man?

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God constricting himself in order to form the physical universe(Tzimtzum) is a central Kabbalistic teaching. It is the only way a finite universe could emerge from an infinite God. Consider how minuscule a man is compared to the universe, and then from there how much more minuscule he is compared to God. How could such a small mind comprehend infinity? God had to condense his message to such a feeble mind. It would be like writing a quantum mechanics book for children. There is another Kabbalistic teaching which says that the Torah is not scripture. The scriptures are merely the garment which clothes the Torah. The map is not the territory. The words that describe the map are even further removed from the territory.

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