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Question For the christians..
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Do any of the christians who come to this site believe that the christian god is the one true god and that anyone following any of the other religous systems in the world have basically got it wrong? If so do they believe that this mistake can in some way have negative consequences for those who make it?

Just curious...


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: GazzBut]
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i am sure that there are some who would consider themselves christian fundamentalists here (not many, tho, hmmmm?)


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: gnrm23]
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I doubt a fervent Christian would be hanging out on a site associated with mind altering drugs. But, ya never know.

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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: MindTrap]
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Only unfervent Christians here...


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: Swami]
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Plenty of fervent atheists though I might add.

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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: MindTrap]
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... and some agnostics too.

MAIA


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Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.
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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: MAIA]
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MAIA said:
... and some agnostics too.


Indeed.


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: ekomstop]
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Yes, I am a fervent Christian, although I'm not a fundamentalist. Some of the things that so-called "Christians" have done disgusts me, and let's leave it at that. I believe that God gave us mind-altering plants for a purpose, but not to abuse for our simple pleasures. I also believe that there is only one God, who sent Christ to die for OUR sins. I'm not going to try to force my beliefs on anybody, though if someone would like to know more feel free to pm me.


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: GazzBut]
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"If so do they believe that this mistake can in some way have negative consequences for those who make it?"

If you knew anything about Christianity, you'd know the answer to that question: They go to hell.

I'm a fervent agnostic. I think that anyone who believes they can answer the question of whether or not there's a god is a fool or a liar.


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: GazzBut]
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I was trying to argue that God is universal to this Christian girl that I work with. I was trying to say that a good Hindu is better than a bad Christian. She thinks that because Jesus said "I am the way" that even Gandhi is going to hell. If he's there I want to go with him. I think that they all are just different paradigms for interacting with the divine.


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Our quest for discovery fuels our creativity in all fields, not just science. If we reached the end of the line, the human spirit would shrivel and die. But I don't think we will ever stand still: we shall increase in complexity, if not in depth, and shall always be the center on an expanding horizon of possibilities.
-Stephen Hawking

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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: mr_minds_eye]
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not to be a dick, but saying you'd want to go to hell with gandhi is probably the stupidest statement i've heard all day. ok assuming hell exists (i think it does but im presuming most of you dont) why on earth would you want to go there? so you can shoot the shit with gandhi? come on, if it does exist, its not exactly going to be a country club where you, ghandi, and the dalai lama all sit around and listen to phish or whatever.


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"Listen Bush, i dont have any weapons. are you listening asshole? i dont have any fucking weapons! whats your problem, you fucking prick? Do you, like, WANT to go to war or something?! hey! whats all that laughter? whats so fucking funny?! Bush? BUSH! *click* Hello? HELLO?"

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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: JhadAgainstReality]
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oh and in response to the thread's question... i think after death, God gives everybody one last chance to accept Jesus as the only way to heaven, and if not, yea they probably go to hell or whatever. and some people are so damn dense they still probably wouldn't. just my opinion.


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"Listen Bush, i dont have any weapons. are you listening asshole? i dont have any fucking weapons! whats your problem, you fucking prick? Do you, like, WANT to go to war or something?! hey! whats all that laughter? whats so fucking funny?! Bush? BUSH! *click* Hello? HELLO?"

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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: JhadAgainstReality]
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JhadAgainstReality said:
not to be a dick, but saying you'd want to go to hell with gandhi is probably the stupidest statement i've heard all day. ok assuming hell exists (i think it does but im presuming most of you dont) why on earth would you want to go there? so you can shoot the shit with gandhi? come on, if it does exist, its not exactly going to be a country club where you, ghandi, and the dalai lama all sit around and listen to phish or whatever.


Does the crack really make you feel better?
Peace.


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: fireworks_god]
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come again?


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"Listen Bush, i dont have any weapons. are you listening asshole? i dont have any fucking weapons! whats your problem, you fucking prick? Do you, like, WANT to go to war or something?! hey! whats all that laughter? whats so fucking funny?! Bush? BUSH! *click* Hello? HELLO?"

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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: fireworks_god]
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mmm.. crack.


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: JhadAgainstReality]
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i think after death, God gives everybody one last chance to accept Jesus as the only way to heaven, and if not, yea they probably go to hell or whatever.
So God created someone to be born in India and indoctrinated into Hinduism, then would punish them for all eternity for believing their parents and culture? How merciful and loving!

... and some people are so damn dense they still probably wouldn't.
Maybe God will give you one last chance to accept Krishna right after death, but you will be too dense to accept it and will blow your ticket to eternity...


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: Swami]
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if i was a Hindu all my life, having been raised in a hindu environment, and then died only to see the Christian God before me saying he was the right way to heaven, i think i might have to seriously reevaluate my faith. Or if it was the other way around, and i died and saw krishna, perhaps i would have to reevaluate my beliefs too.
im not saying i have all the answers to all the questions, but gazzbut asked a question and i gave him my opinion. in all honesty i'm not any good at all when it comes to defending my beliefs


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"Listen Bush, i dont have any weapons. are you listening asshole? i dont have any fucking weapons! whats your problem, you fucking prick? Do you, like, WANT to go to war or something?! hey! whats all that laughter? whats so fucking funny?! Bush? BUSH! *click* Hello? HELLO?"

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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: mr_minds_eye]
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mr_minds_eye said:
I was trying to say that a good Hindu is better than a bad Christian.



Well then that "Christian" must not really be one. Being a Christian is such a widely abused term. Many people think that going to church makes them a Christian, instead of a personal relationship with Christ. It's the bad "Christians" who make the real Christians look bad.


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: Funguy]
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Funguy, as a christian how would you answer the original questions I posed?


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: JhadAgainstReality]
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in all honesty i'm not any good at all when it comes to defending my beliefs





Not being rude here but if you cant defend your beleifs might it not be a good idea to have a serious reevaluation of them?


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: GazzBut]
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Isn't agnosticism somewhat self-limiting? To believe that a higher power is unknowable surely negates the purpose of searching for those answers. What else is left after that? My job? My car repair bills? Suddenly I want to kill myself!

And so, I disagree with agnosticism, and I most certainly disagree with atheism. What do I agree with? Dispelling labels.


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: GazzBut]
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GazzBut said:
Do any of the christians who come to this site believe that the christian god is the one true god and that anyone following any of the other religous systems in the world have basically got it wrong? If so do they believe that this mistake can in some way have negative consequences for those who make it?

Just curious...


I'm not a Christian, but you should have seen me when I first came to S&P.


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: JhadAgainstReality]
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JhadAgainstReality said:
if i was a Hindu all my life, having been raised in a hindu environment, and then died only to see the Christian God before me saying he was the right way to heaven, i think i might have to seriously reevaluate my faith. Or if it was the other way around, and i died and saw krishna, perhaps i would have to reevaluate my beliefs too.
im not saying i have all the answers to all the questions, but gazzbut asked a question and i gave him my opinion. in all honesty i'm not any good at all when it comes to defending my beliefs 


I'm sorry, I was just under the impression that the drug crack was involved, but it was just me being a little intolerant of others views and being a little mean, I sincerely apologize. I will, however, make up for this by making you think about this a bit. :grin:

Where did your whole belief in the Christian God coming before one after they die and asking them to join him come from?

Beliefs are very powerful. I guess it may have come from the Christian view from church or whatever.. The power that they utilize is a strong one. If you can convince someone to truly believe in something, than they will believe it and not even realize where the belief came from, why they believe it, or whether or not it has any merit at all..

Telling someone that a book proves that there is an Eternal afterlife, and that the only way they can avoid Eternal Damnation is to follow God's word is a very profound thing to do. The thought of burning in Hell is something that one does not want to face. By giving someone all the answers on how to avoid this, they then will do whatever it is that they are told, if they want to avoid burning and burning and burning..

You say that if you experienced this first hand, and it was the other way around, that it was some other force or whatever is really the one asking you to join them or whatever, and it is really something that we have no way of knowing until we meet that day, then how can we actually believe that the one guy is the right guy, so to speak?

The first step to finding some truth is to question, to keep an open eye and a desire to know, and to never jump to any beliefs that have no real basis in anything, and to never be to set in the beliefs that you do choose to have..

People that have something to hide do not like people to find out what it is they are hiding. They design ways to prevent what it is they are hiding. Questioning the path that you are being pushed down is a good way to find out what is really going on, what path it is you are being pushed, where it will lead, why it is that you are being pushed, and who the fuck are you in the first place..

Building any kind of structure makes it subject to the forces of nature... It can be designed to flow with them and not be destroyed, or it can be ignorant of them and be destroyed..
Peace.


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: fireworks_god]
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"Do any of the christians who come to this site believe that the christian god is the one true god and that anyone following any of the other religous systems in the world have basically got it wrong?"

The Word of God is very clear, there is no other Way.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Every other way is idolatry. Man will always try to create in his own vain mind an image of God that is simply NOT true. Man is not capable of understanding spiritual things, he is a spiritual corpse and blind to his own blindness (1 Cor 2:14, Rom 8:7, Eph 2:1, Col 2:13). This is the reason a person must be born from above (John 3:3), and given spiritual eyes to see and ears to hear. The first thing that happens in conversion is the Holy Spirit convicts a person of unrighteouness (John 16:8, Luke 18:13). Not just a few things a person does, but that the whole person is a ruined wretch, incapable of any good, and completely at the mercy of God, through Christ, for salvation. This process of conversion is given soley to those elected to eternal life (Acts 13:48). After conversion the person is made a new creation (2 Cor 5:17)(Gal 6:15), and never wants to go against the Word, in his soul. A saved soul will have godly sorrow over ungodliness (2 Cor 7:10), and will repent from it. This is true repentance, that comes from a regenerted heart (Jer 31:33, Heb 8:10, Heb 10:16).

Jesus Christ redeemed His people from their sins (Matt 1:21). It is not a mere possibility of salvation, it is an absolute certainty, determined from before the world was created (2 Tim 1:9, Eph 1:4,5,11, Tit 3:5, Rom 9:11, Rom 11:5, John 10:26-9). He bore the sins of His people and came under the wrath of God in their place (Isaiah 53:4-12), in this way He can be a just God and Saviour.

"If so do they believe that this mistake can in some way have negative consequences for those who make it?"

This question has an underlying assumption, that human "choice" is the cause of divine favor. The sole cause of divine favor is the perfect work of Christ ALONE on behalf of His people.
Rejection of the gospel only reveals what is already present, that the wrath of God already abides on a person (John 3:36), all are born condemned and in a lost state (Psalms 58:3, 1 Cor 15:22, Jer 17:9).


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: fivepointer]
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:rolleyes: 


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: fivepointer]
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I used to believe in that stuff as strongly as you. I was deeply involved in the church of God for years.

Then one day it just quit making any sense to me.

BTW,if you want to hang on to those rigid beliefs you have there , I suggest you stay away from this place!


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: GazzBut]
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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: World Spirit]
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Worry about it later, how about we all get along and live :laugh:


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: fivepointer]
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Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


This was not said by Jesus, but by Peter while talking to the religious authorities in Jerusalem, at a time before Peter had done any preaching outside of Jerusalem. By "among men" and "we" he probably referred to the people of Jerusalem only, since he could hardly be knowledgeable about all other names given among men in faraway places and at other times in history.


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John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


This is just a metaphorical way of saying "No man cometh unto the Father, but by the way, the truth, and the life". The gospel of John uses this and other "I am" metaphors that are not present in the other gospels. For example, in John 6:51 Jesus says: I am the living bread which came down from heaven. Few people believe that Jesus was literally a loaf of bread that floated down from heaven.

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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: World Spirit]
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So God created someone to be born in India and indoctrinated into Hinduism, then would punish them for all eternity for believing their parents and culture? How merciful and loving!



Whats your take on this then?


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: GazzBut]
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My take is he didnt come from god, he came from some guys teabags :tongue2:, I never saw anything in the bible that says your gonna be punished for having the wrong religion(unknowingly), but if you pratice satanism(not saying its good or bad just a example)your just plain going against what the book says. I think that as he gets older he has a choice of what his religion can be but what your parents bestill is another thing. :laugh:



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Pain is your friend, it lets you know you are still alive. Over coming pain is just a question of mind over matter, if you dont mind, it dont matter.

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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: fivepointer]
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fivepointer said:
The Word of God is very clear, there is no other Way.


You mean that it was MADE very clear, so anyone who is sucked in has a hard time escaping.. Having ones spiritual views revolving soley around one religion points towards addiction and not truly seeking..

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Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


So, what actually proves that any of this is true? Its being in the Bible doesn't actually verify it. The fact that others say it is true doesn't verify it, either.

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Man is not capable of understanding spiritual things, he is a spiritual corpse and blind to his own blindness (1 Cor 2:14, Rom 8:7, Eph 2:1, Col 2:13).


That is, when we do not seek the Truth and blindly follow the "Path" that others have set up for us.. But, I guess since the Bible says I am not capable of understanding, than I must stop trying, as the BIBLE itself says that I should..

Try freedom of thought sometime. Truly an experience.
Peace.


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: fireworks_god]
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So, what actually proves that any of this is true? Its being in the Bible doesn't actually verify it. The fact that others say it is true doesn't verify it, either.




I think thats where the F-word comes in! (Faith that is..!) Apparently you've either got it or you aint!!


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: GazzBut]
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I have faith, but I don't pour all my faith into something just because it says something in a book..
Peace.


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: Phluck]
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I am neither a fool or a liar, and I live my life 'in God,' and with 'God in me.'
In God, we live and move and have our being, as the Good Book says. This is so self-evident to me, that people like you remind me of the fish in the sea who don't realize that they are wet, nor how much of their being is comprised of water. God is the very Ground of Being. God=Reality. All of existence derives from God, moment-to-moment.

If YOU knew Christ (not "about Christanity"), you would 'Know' God - intimately. You would also know the universality of Christ that is present as Truth in all the high religions of the world, even though the Truth is known by other Names. Hell is known in all world religions, not just Christianity. You seem to be aware only of some exclusivist version of Christianity, wide spread though it may be, it is erroneous. 'Those who are not against us, are with us.'


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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So how would you answer the original question in this thread?


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: fireworks_god]
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Try praying for Wisdom sometime - the reward is greater. And don't worry, it is permissable to pray to the Unknown God, and still be Illumined.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: GazzBut]
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Pardon the chuckle, but there is no such thing as "the christian god" [sic]. The Christian religion developed (and warped) following the experience of a close knit group of people to one Y'shua ben Miriam/Yosef, who lived around the area called Nazareth in 1st century Judea.

Obviously, something incomprehesible to both ancients and moderns occurred back then. It doesn't do to dismiss pre-scientific, ancient cultures as being merely stupid or superstitious. The civilizations of ancient Greece and Egypt alone should dispell such childish notions.

Whatever happened around Y'shua, the Essence still remains because the Essence is the very infrastructure of Reality - the Ground of Being - God. God isn't going anywhere because God is immanently omnipresent, and utterly transcendent - beyond the comprehension of finite human mentality. The Essence is not 'a' thing, neither it 'It' everything. 'It' is not impersonal, but is personal and transpersonal, which is to say that God is 'alive' and 'aware' and 'acting' from the heart of every atom.

In other words, as Islam says, "There is no God, but God...," and as the Jews say, "Hear O Israel, the LORD thy GOD, the LORD is ONE." God as Known by Y'shua, is the ONE GOD. Ultimate Reality is singular. How the 'attributes' of God are described differs from religion to religion, but attributes belong to the Divine Nature, not the Divine Essence, about which nothing can be Known or said - utterly Transcendent. Those in each faith who recognize "the Transcendent Unity of Religions" (F. Schuon), do not condemn each other. These are the true brethren and children of God, whatever their creed.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: GazzBut]
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I use to go to a catholic privet school as a kid, and in the religious class I asked to the priest that very same question, I said what happens to all the Chinese kids that never heard of Jesus ? (I was kid) he told me if there were good they will go to purgatory, but to go to heaven they had to be baptized.
That?s when I new that this god was a bogus and unjust one, a god that defies all logic and wanted nothing to do with it.



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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: LOBO]
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Amen!


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: GazzBut]
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GazzBut said in response to MarkostheGnostic:
So how would you answer the original question in this thread?


I think this part of Markos post was a clear answer to that: even though the Truth is known by other Names.

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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: GazzBut]
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while I smile and laugh and dance
and sing your praise and glory.
Shroud of virtue hung to mask your stigma
as I smile and laugh and dance
and sing your glory
while you
lie, cheat, and steal.
How can I tolerate you.

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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: GazzBut]
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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: ]
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immaculate said:
while I smile and laugh and dance
and sing your praise and glory.
Shroud of virtue hung to mask your stigma
as I smile and laugh and dance
and sing your glory
while you
lie, cheat, and steal.
How can I tolerate you.



Sounds more like a song that should be sung to the government.


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: sirreal]
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Sounds more like a song that should be sung to the government.


That's an interesting point, because I think there is a connection:

2,000 years ago there were two religious paradigms: one that saw the god or gods as separate from the created world and its beings, and where "sin" was just a form of disobedience of the ruling gods, which could be fixed by paying a penalty in the form of a blood sacrifice. If sins were not washed away by sacrifice, the gods would be angry and in their anger they would punish the sinners.

The other paradigm saw the creator God as present everywhere within the ongoing creation, and "sins" were simply manifestations of unskillful actions by the created beings due to their ignorance.

I don't know which of these paradigms came first in prehistoric times, but the first one seems to have been dominant in all early civilizations. That fits, because it's the paradigm that any power-hungry politician would like to imprint among the citizens: failure to obey the ruler will get you punished unless you pay a tribute.

I see Buddha and Jesus as two people who understood the limitations of the first paradigm and therefore tried to explain and propagate the second one. (Muhammed on the other hand never had this understanding as it seems, probably because he got stuck too firmly in his role as a politician and warlord.)

And the Christian churches were quick to subvert the message of Jesus to fit the first paradigm, by focusing on his execution and proclaiming it to be a blood sacrifice that washes away sins, instead of focusing on the ideas that lead to the removal of ignorance among created beings.

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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: Rhizoid]
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I usually don't respond just to praise a post ,but, That was very well said Rhizoid. Damn!


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: sirreal]
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what about suicide? So if you kill yourself you dont go to heaven, but you can kill someone else and still go to heaven.

What about the number 13? this seems bloody stupid as 13 is meant to be unlucky as it was the number of people at the last supper, yet christians arent meant to believe in luck and this would be irrelevant to anyone not a christian.

Oh and all religions believe in hell? erm no: paganism, satanism and to my understanding judaism.

P.S. just because you don't consider their beliefs valid doesnt mean you can disregard them as a religion.

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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Sometimes it seems to me the final thing that people have to lose attachment to is their system for communing with the divine.


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: GazzBut]
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When I die, the chemical reactions and distinct neural pathways that make up my brain will cease to function and therefore cause the part of my brain that contains the data (so to speak) that is my conciousness to no longer exist.

If you believe in the Bible and follow it to the letter then you have to say that non-Christians are going to hell. I don't read that nonsense anymore but given time I could find text within that condems anyone who does not follow christianity. And for those of you that pick and choose from the bible it even has a passage for you. Somewhere towards the end. It condems anyone who makes any change to the bible or who follows those changes. I guess you better throw out that King James version and go find the original.


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: Rhizoid]
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(Muhammed on the other hand never had this understanding as it seems, probably because he got stuck too firmly in his role as a politician and warlord.)




Im not sure I'd entirely agree with that. I think Muhammed may have been pretty misrepresented over the years!


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: Rhizoid]
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Few people believe that Jesus was literally a loaf of bread that floated down from heaven.

I do. Just want to know if he was white or whole wheat - we know he was unsliced...


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: GazzBut]
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Im not sure I'd entirely agree with that. I think Muhammed may have been pretty misrepresented over the years!


Oh yes, both Islam, Buddhism, and Hinduism have been horribly misrepresented in western culture. But that doesn't change the fact that Muhammed was a politician (like Moses) and a warlord (like none of the other great religious founders).

That doesn't diminish any of the achievments of other islamic thinkers, of course.

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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: Ped]
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"To believe that a higher power is unknowable surely negates the purpose of searching for those answers."

I don't know if I believe a higher power is unknowable. With what we're working with now, it may well be unknowable.

So I seek out new experiences. I want to get to know my brain better. I seek out knowledge and ideas. I just stop short at believing.

I may die without ever knowing the TRUTH, but I'd much rather that than die believing a lie.


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: Rhizoid]
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The Word of God is very clear, there is no other Way.


Don't you mean, the Word of the ROMAN GOVERNMENT?

Never forget that the bible was the Warren Report of the Roman Empire.  The scholars who compiled the Bible were working for the same government that nailed Christ to a tree just for telling everyone to be nice to eachother. 

The New Testament can only be trusted to the extent that the Roman Government can be trusted.  Given the fact that it was a totalitarian, imperialist regime, I don't trust their take on Jesus very far.

Why and how did those scholars decide that some christian texts were "holy" and other's weren't?  And why did they burn all the ones that weren't considered "holy", and persecute the people who preached them?

My belief is that Jesus was a populist, anarchist, and a socialist.  He walked around telling people "thou art God".  This movement was a serious threat to the Roman Empire, so they killed Christ.  I mean seriously, how can you run a totalitarian government when all your citizens think that they are God?  It just wont work at all.

  But people still followed his teachings, so they decided they would have to make some kind of acknowledgement or be overthrown.  So they got their scholars together to put their own "spin" on Jesus's teachings.  They edited out a lot of the individually empowering stuff, inserted a lot of requests for blind faith, and added a dash of religious and moral bigotry (I am the way and the light... blah blah balah).

What they ended up with was a priceless tool for controlling the population that is still in use today :smile:

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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: Zahid]
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Zahid said:
:rolleyes: 


Oh come on, like the Qu'ran is any less ridiculous.


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: Phluck]
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Seems unfair too that life is the choice of whether to follow god. 2000 odd years ago they had jesus to concrete their faith, wtf do we have a book thats been translated from latin with questionable accuracy?

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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: GazzBut]
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One more bible based theological question for anyone willing
to take a whack at it: What race(s) was/were Adam and Eve?


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: Mystical_Craven]
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They were m?tis, of course.


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: Phluck]
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Phluck said:
Zahid said:
:rolleyes: 


Oh come on, like the Qu'ran is any less ridiculous. 


Both books speak the same tune I agree, but the way he's presenting his scripture is rude, is it not. 


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: Oook]
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Oook said:
Seems unfair too that life is the choice of whether to follow god. 2000 odd years ago they had jesus to concrete their faith, wtf do we have a book thats been translated from latin with questionable accuracy?


I always replace the word "Follow", "Serve", "Worship" et cet era., with 'Know'. Life was created so that we might know God.


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: Mystical_Craven]
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Genetically, there is only One race - human.
Read Edward Edinger's 'Ego and Archetype' for the best Jungian psychological take on the symbolism of the Genesis myth that I have ever read anywhere.


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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good answer Mark...very good answer

I was half expecting this to turn into some sort of argument about skin color...but I suppose even the most hard-nosed christian types here at S&P are still shroomeryites first and foremost. I guess I should have probably expected that though.


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Re: Question For the christians.. [Re: Mystical_Craven]
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Hey man, color is a property of light. In the dark, we're ALL black  :smile: 


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