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Do You Believe In God?
    #1845814 - 08/24/03 05:59 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Just curious.


Well, do you?
Yes, I believe in one god.
No, There is no god.
Everyone is a god.





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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Effed]
    #1845830 - 08/24/03 06:09 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

If i could make my own definition for what I think god is, because i dont think there is a definition for what god actually is. And for me to believe in something, i have to have it defined... so i can contain it. Cause otherwise i guess it would only be pure speculation. I dont know. My definition: god is anything and everything, the system for all things in existance. Karma, tao, tree, plant, tool, rock, my nose... I guess if you put it that way, i guess i would say i believe in that. Cause i dont really have an option not to...


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Zero7a1]
    #1845839 - 08/24/03 06:13 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

To me, God is the Creator and the Creation.
Peace.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1845912 - 08/24/03 06:37 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

What Fireworks_god said.

We are all part of God.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: MindTrap]
    #1846058 - 08/24/03 07:39 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I believe god is just what you belive it is, i belive mother earth is God, its the core of energy that gave life to us and we must take care of it. As far as a God dressed on a white robe sitting on a throne with a crown in heaven , no, i dont .......


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Effed]
    #1846071 - 08/24/03 07:49 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I'm pretty sure there's a "god".

The specifics I will leave for a later time, when I have more info.

But I'm pretty sure "he" is there  :wink:


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: trendal]
    #1846089 - 08/24/03 07:58 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I believe only in things for which I can find direct evidence. So no, I don't.

-Diploid


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Diploid]
    #1846103 - 08/24/03 08:01 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Do you believe in the electron?


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: trendal]
    #1846149 - 08/24/03 08:19 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Do you believe in the electron?




Sure. Why wouldn't I?

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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: trendal]
    #1846159 - 08/24/03 08:21 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I believe in god. Although, I don't believe in the image of some great white bearded man in heaven that most religions seem to portray. I believe that god is everywhere and in everything, even us. This all goes back to the "oneness" of everything. We are all energy and energy cannot be destroyed. Part of a grander scheme we can scarcely imagine.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Effed]
    #1846168 - 08/24/03 08:25 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I believe in a higher power. I don't really think of it as a God though because of the connotations that come along with it as some micro-managing old guy sitting around up in the sky planning out our lives.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: adrug]
    #1846175 - 08/24/03 08:26 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

That's all warm and fuzzy, and I like to think in similar terms. It's mind-boggling to consider that every particle in the universe exerts a force on every other particle no matter what the distance between them.

But, do you believe there is a sentience behind all this "oneness". That's what most people mean whey they use the word God.

-Diploid


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Diploid]
    #1846183 - 08/24/03 08:28 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe 'God' is just the combination of all known energy. ?


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Effed]
    #1846186 - 08/24/03 08:28 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

This depends on which "God" you are referring to...

There are too many definitions of "God" for me to initially say I even understand what you mean.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: adrug]
    #1846194 - 08/24/03 08:32 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Or maybe its just human nature to search for a higher power.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Effed]
    #1846201 - 08/24/03 08:34 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I believe that "God" exists within each of us, the spark of consciousness that is our soul.. subjective experiences of an objective reality. God exists within all living things, the physical realm is but one collective manifestation of this evolving entity. On the same token, I believe that "God" exists simultaneously as a source of infinite light and creation, which all of the Universe revolves around. The Great Central Sun.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Spokesman]
    #1846211 - 08/24/03 08:38 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Or maybe its just human nature to search for a higher power.





THERE YA GO! Humans seem to have a psychological need for a big brother. Maybe this comes from our evolutionary past in which we became a successful species in part because we form efficient social, hierarchical groups. Whatever the reason, we love to invent a "higher power" in the absence of even the slightest shred of evidence supporting it.

Do you believe in the Tooth Fairy? The available evidence supporting the Tooth Fairy's existence is equal to that supporting the conventional (omniscient being who created the universe) definition of God.

I'd love to believe in God. What a comfort that would be to know that someone's watching out for me, there's an afterlife, and all that stuff. I choose not to delude myself.

I'll take a harsh and unpleasant truth over a comfortable, sugar-coated fantasy any day. But that's just me...

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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Effed]
    #1846222 - 08/24/03 08:41 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

We're the closest thing to God that I've discovered...


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Effed]
    #1846391 - 08/24/03 09:29 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I think "god" is everywhere and in everyone of us.



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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Effed]
    #1846405 - 08/24/03 09:34 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

you didnt define god.

cmon now, how can you ask that and not give a definition? jeez


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Effed]
    #1846414 - 08/24/03 09:35 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Interesting question.

\Why do you ask?

Just curious.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: ]
    #1846445 - 08/24/03 09:46 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

dude, he didnt give us a definition.

how can you ask people that with no defintion.

*dumbfounded*


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: ]
    #1846831 - 08/24/03 11:58 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I'm fairly sure that there are forms of control / influence beyond our current comprehension, but I'm not sure if I'm ready to believe that at the center of it all there is a being worthy of the title "god". perhaps, perhaps not, but there's most definitely some crazy shit out there, or in there, or here or whatever.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Effed]
    #1846854 - 08/25/03 12:07 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

The poll is inherently flawed, in that the No answer involves making a clear statement of 'fact' - "There is no god" - instead of leaving it at simply "No, I don't believe in a god". The two statements are distinctly different.


Ultimatley, I do believe in the existence of at least one consciousness (my own). It thus follows that there must be some kind of supreme consciousness, regardless of whether it is myself, another being, or an amalgamation consisting of myself and others; thus, in a sense, I could reasonably say I believe in the existence of some kind of god (defined as the supreme/highest conciousness) from the evidence of my own consciousness, but I do not know its nature.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Diploid]
    #1846910 - 08/25/03 12:31 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Have you ever felt, seen, or heard an electron?


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Effed]
    #1846935 - 08/25/03 12:42 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

What is God?


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: ]
    #1846939 - 08/25/03 12:43 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

This thread was inspired by this past weekends journeys.

I believe the collective of poeple if united as one, are "god" or a godlike force.
I was just curious how the shroomery folk felt.  :smile:


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Autonomous]
    #1846953 - 08/25/03 12:49 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I am going by the scientific definition of "god" I suppose.

8 entries found for god.
god ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gd)
n.
God
A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.
The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being.
A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.
An image of a supernatural being; an idol.
One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god.
A very handsome man.
A powerful ruler or despot.



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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Effed]
    #1847116 - 08/25/03 01:47 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

My personal belief is that God is an everlasting spirit which was never created and will never be destroyed.. God is the light and the darkness...


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: GanjaManDan]
    #1847118 - 08/25/03 01:48 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Btw - I fully 100% believe in God (from the Bible of course) based solely on personal experiences.. No one will ever change what I believe


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: ]
    #1847127 - 08/25/03 01:50 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Has anyone else noticed that Diploid who said he didn't believe in God, well his quote thinger talks about God. hehe. not making fun just pointing out something i thought was kinda funny


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1847521 - 08/25/03 05:42 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Strumpling said:
We're the closest thing to God that I've discovered...




So true... you know what though in my opinion, maybe we had a connection to another Superior species (extraterestrial) Back at the begening of civilization, i mean i ve read about Egyptians having 'landing' and taking off fields way before airplanes were invented and also they have a diagram on how to use a giant ;ight baulb. Think about all the stiff that is in the bibles of almost all religions. makes you wonder if we really came up with the technology we have or it was passed down to us. I know i read the Christian bible alot growing up and belive me the God that they worship in those Genesis/Exodus period is far from perfect, so thats why i dont belive in that mystical being that sees everything and knows all, and will one day kill us slowly for sinning.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Effed]
    #1847545 - 08/25/03 06:06 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

False dilemma.

Where is the "No, I have no reason to believe in God"?
And what about the "Yes, I am God"?

Also, you left out YOUR definition of God.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Sclorch]
    #1847553 - 08/25/03 06:14 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Sclorch said:
And what about the "Yes, I am God"?




I second that notion!


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: ]
    #1847586 - 08/25/03 06:43 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

God and religion is a way of explaining the unexplainable.



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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: trendal]
    #1847590 - 08/25/03 06:46 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Have you ever felt, seen, or heard an electron?





Of course not. Evidence isn't only presented through feeling, seeing, or hearing. There is an avalanche of evidence supporting the existence of the electron. There are many, many observations and measurements that support the Atomic Theory. The incineration of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, for example. The electricity generated at the Turkey Point Nuclear Power Plant south of me for example. The chemical reactions I can make happen in my kitchen for example. I've never seen Pluto in my telescope, but I see its influence on the other planets. C'mon, geeze! To suggest that there is no evidence supporting the existence of the electron is naive at best.

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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Pyronate]
    #1847644 - 08/25/03 08:07 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Ultimatley, I do believe in the existence of at least one consciousness (my own). It thus follows that there must be some kind of supreme consciousness, regardless of whether it is myself, another being, or an amalgamation consisting of myself and others;



A supreme consciousness does not necessarily follow. There could be an endless progression of greater and greater consciousness with no final supreme consciousness.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Tasty_Smurf_House]
    #1847645 - 08/25/03 08:09 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Has anyone else noticed that Diploid who said he didn't believe in God, well his quote thinger talks about God. hehe. not making fun just pointing out something i thought was kinda funny



Well, mention of a fictional character does not require any belief in its existence...


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: ]
    #1847647 - 08/25/03 08:15 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

That is to complex to answer with those 3 choices you gave. This questions is brought up so much, and I don't like answer it everytime.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #1847664 - 08/25/03 08:39 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Where's the I believe "I am God" option ?  :oogle:  :nut:  :grin: 


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Diploid]
    #1847875 - 08/25/03 11:44 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I never suggested that there is no evidence for the electron  :wink:

But when it comes down to it, belief in the electron is faith.

Get what I'm saying?  :wink:


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: trendal]
    #1847905 - 08/25/03 12:06 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

trendal said:
I never suggested that there is no evidence for the electron  :wink:

But when it comes down to it, belief in the electron is faith.

Get what I'm saying?  :wink: 



But according to that logic, belief in reality etc, i.e. anything at all is "faith". I think there is a distinction betweeen beliving in the existence of an electron and God. Using "consistant" and "repeatable" experiments, we can "theorize" that "something" which we call an electron "exists". i.e. it's "useful" to acknowledge the results this way since we can make predictions based on it and calculate in order to make stuff. e.g. we can use the principles of physics to create a car which we drive around in. Arguing the existance of the car is kinda useless since it's experiential. However, in the case of God, there's no consitant, repeatable experiement which we can perform to validate the existance of this "entity" which will be useful to us in some way. i.e. u can't give me a set of methods with which I will experience God. Also, quite honestly, not to be dis-respectful at all, but how useful is
this idea of God ? I mean how will this knowledge affect me ? More importantly tho is the former idea of consistant repeatable experiments. 


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: lucid]
    #1847954 - 08/25/03 12:30 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

btw, I mean "useful" in a very basic pleasure-pain sense. I need a job so I can make money so I can eat - i.e. pleasure of eating and avoiding pain of hunger. In terms of God, how do I get anything useful out of the concept even if one were to buy into the whole cosmic conciousness theory ? i.e. other than guilt n fear, how is the concept of God useful ? if I could use the concept to end my suffering and hopefully others, then I would say it's a useful concept, but most people who believe in God seem to be suffering just as much as others. Also, if prayer is to be factored into usefulness than statistically, I think, prayer is quite ineffective...


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: lucid]
    #1847967 - 08/25/03 12:34 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i think a god is a necessary part of human psychology to deal with the minds death... religion can be form on control


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: kief]
    #1848008 - 08/25/03 12:50 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I never suggested that there is no evidence for the electron
But when it comes down to it, belief in the electron is faith.


Liberal use of the word faith...
Faith in instrumentation maybe.
Faith in EVIDENCE maybe.

This faith is different from faith in god.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: kief]
    #1848030 - 08/25/03 12:57 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

God and religion are a primitive and ignorant way to explain the unexplainable. Try to think of a primitive society that was atheist (dont think too hard). If I tell you that there is a pink elephant in your living room, ur gonna have to see it before you believe me. You cannot believe something without proof. The same with god, after 1000's of years of believing in religions, NOONE has been able to prove the existence of god. NOONE has even been able to come up with a flawless argument, nevertheless hard proof. Belief in god is ignorant. Find your own truths, but base them in reality. I dont believe in god for the same reason i dont believe in pink elephants.
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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: lucid]
    #1848240 - 08/25/03 02:20 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I once believed that everything could be answered by modern-day science, too.

What I have learned is that this is most definately not the case.

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In terms of God, how do I get anything useful out of the concept even if one were to buy into the whole cosmic conciousness theory ? i.e. other than guilt n fear, how is the concept of God useful ?





God isn't a concept to those who believe in the existance of God  :wink:

Although I do understand what you are saying, I think the proper thing to do is to accept all the possibilities until you can be 100% sure of one solution.

God is a possibility, and I will give it equal consideration. As much so as I give the electron, for they both have their connective evidence  :wink:


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: lucid]
    #1848260 - 08/25/03 02:28 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I believe in the God of the Bible, a holy and just God. I believe this based on what has gone on throughout my life. I believe the Bible to be fact and total truth, but I am never going to force anyone to convert to Christianity. It is a decision that is left up to you. Love.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Funguy]
    #1848339 - 08/25/03 02:58 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

The Bible describes several different versions of God, some of who don't seem "just" at all in any reasonable sense of the word. Do you believe in those Bible Gods too?


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: mattch1]
    #1848400 - 08/25/03 03:24 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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God and religion are a primitive and ignorant way to explain the unexplainable. Try to think of a primitive society that was atheist (dont think too hard). If I tell you that there is a pink elephant in your living room, ur gonna have to see it before you believe me. You cannot believe something without proof. The same with god, after 1000's of years of believing in religions, NOONE has been able to prove the existence of god. NOONE has even been able to come up with a flawless argument, nevertheless hard proof. Belief in god is ignorant. Find your own truths, but base them in reality. I dont believe in god for the same reason i dont believe in pink elephants.
~MC




So, do you believe that the reality that we perceive right now is the 100% reality, the only reality, or that our glimpse of reality is very dimmed and boxed in? How would we know that our reality is the correct one? It's like that concept behind the Truman Show (never seen it, but I've heard about it). The guy only knew what he knew as reality. We knew that his reality wasn't really much of a reality at all, since we had a view outside of his.

But, how do we know that our reality is the true reality? We don't have a view from the outside. There is no absoulte way for us to know right now, is there? We'll never know until our reality shifts to include a broader range of what reality is. Until then, we don't know.
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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1848423 - 08/25/03 03:32 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

there's little point in talking about "Reality"
or "True Reality" or "100% reality" IMHO :smile:
I think what really matters is what we "Experience".
There is "waking Reality", i.e. what we experience
while awake and "dreaming reality" etc. Each of these
are states that we experience and each have different
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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: lucid]
    #1848553 - 08/25/03 04:19 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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lucid said:
there's little point in talking about "Reality"
or "True Reality" or "100% reality" IMHO :smile:
I think what really matters is what we "Experience".
There is "waking Reality", i.e. what we experience
while awake and "dreaming reality" etc. Each of these
are states that we experience and each have different
rules and concequences. As we acquire more knowledge
thro experience we incorporate it into our reality.
 




I agree with you. We have no way of confirming that our reality is actually reality. If your entire life was a dream, how would you know?

I myself think that reality is subjective. Completely. We only know the Universe from our own experience. Regardless of whether or not anyone else has experienced the same thing. There is no "real" way that anything is meant to be experienced. You can say that there is, but how do you really KNOW?

People always scoff at drug experiences, saying that they aren't "real" because it is chemicals effecting your brain... everything is chemicals effecting your brain. When you "taste" something, it is just electronic implulses delivering a message to your brain, saying that this certain combination of chemicals was just "tasted" with the sensors on your tounge.

Just because something that is experienced when on drugs is not experienced by someone that is not on drugs, or even a lot of people not on drugs, does not mean that the experience isn't real. Not one person that was ever in existance on this planet had the same exact experience as anyone else on this fucking planet, ever.

We are only here to experience, and what we choose to experience is up to us. There isn't anything to compare our experiences to to judge whether or not it is real. I mean, we can try to compare them to some "objective reality" that is still interprepted subjectively (it still doesn't exist), but that doesn't make them "real", either.

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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1849640 - 08/25/03 10:28 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I believe in God I believe that Jesus Christ is my savior, And I believe that in each person is the potential to house the spirit of God (holy spirit) or an evil spirit. I believe that all things in some way are connected and that the only way for a person to truly know God is through knowing ones self.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: deviantnature]
    #1849726 - 08/25/03 10:51 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

an organism works as a whole. we are not a summation of part, but a very subtle coordination of all these different bits that go into the making of the organism - we HAVE not a liver or a heart. we ARE liver and heart and brain.....and so on. dig?


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    #1850839 - 08/26/03 10:57 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I went for the last option however it didn't fully represent what I believe. I believe that "God" is everything that we are consisted of He is the creator and the craeted. It would probably be better thinking of it as a harmony of vibrations like light (White light) or an energy rather then a seperate entity. This illusion that God is seperate has plagued humanity for millenia. I have so much to say but words will not do it justice. However i recommend all of you pick up The Conversations with God trilogy they are truly great books regardless of wether or not you believe in God.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: ]
    #1850869 - 08/26/03 11:12 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

definition
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the which than which there is none whicher
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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Diploid]
    #1850901 - 08/26/03 11:27 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

electron's mass can be calculated via the "millikan oil-drop experiment"
electrons can be felt (go stand in front of a negative ion generator or a TV screen)
electrons can be made to do work (put some alkaline cells into a flashlight & click "on"


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: gnrm23]
    #1851042 - 08/26/03 12:25 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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electrons can be felt (go stand in front of a negative ion generator or a TV screen)




true, electrons make me warm n fuzzy all over ... :grin: 


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1851798 - 08/26/03 05:00 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I believe in a power greater than myself. I call him god.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Twista]
    #1851920 - 08/26/03 05:45 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Look, Twista, just because I beat you in arm wrestling... it doesn't mean that...


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Sclorch]
    #1851955 - 08/26/03 05:55 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

you belive that because you were tought to belive that......look at the little guy on my avatar i belive in him, i seen him before........






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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: trendal]
    #1853110 - 08/26/03 11:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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But when it comes down to it, belief in the electron is faith.




How do you come to that conclusion? Faith exists in the absence of evidence. Belief in God without evidence to support that belief is faith. Belief in the existence of electrons after reviewing hundreds of years of experimental evidence supporting its existence and a solid Atomic Theory which explains observations and predicts behavior with great precision isn't faith, it's a natural conclusion.

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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Diploid]
    #1853182 - 08/27/03 12:14 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Don't you have faith that hundreds of years of experimental evidence is real? If you have not personally conducted the experiments yourself, you are relying on the word of others. Evidence can be faked. Most of us only read about such evidence, are told about it or maybe watch programs about it.

BTW, I mostly agree with what you are saying but I always keep a smidgen of doubt and like to play "devil's advocate."


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Autonomous]
    #1853207 - 08/27/03 12:21 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Don't you have faith that hundreds of years of experimental evidence is real?




Geez, you guys really need a logic class. Using your reasoning, EVERYTHING is faith. [sigh] I give up; I'm going back into lurk mode.

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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Effed]
    #1853928 - 08/27/03 04:41 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"God" is too complex and mysterious to describe.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1853984 - 08/27/03 05:36 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

How would you know god is complex?? AnywayYea when looked at it, everything is faith i mean even when their is evidance. But the point is that their is hard evidance of electrons, Their is no physical recording of a superior being pulling the strings here, only evidance of mans nature to want to find one. I dont care if you see, feel, hear or taste a "god". Feelings dont compare to the evidance that their is on electrons.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Spokesman]
    #1854061 - 08/27/03 08:00 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I don't like when people say that each of us are all god. Sorry, no. That goes directly against the definition of the word. You should really be saying each of us is simply alive. Your confusing being god and being alive. Life is magical in itself.

I don't believe there is a god. I don't see why we feel the need, as humans, to have some figure watching over us, a creator. Why can't the world just exist? Why did something have to create it? And if something did create it, what created the creator?

There are many questions we can't answer. It's way too convenient to just say: Oh, that's because god did that.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Diploid]
    #1854068 - 08/27/03 08:07 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Diploid said:
Quote:

Don't you have faith that hundreds of years of experimental evidence is real?




Geez, you guys really need a logic class. Using your reasoning, EVERYTHING is faith. [sigh] I give up; I'm going back into lurk mode.

-Diploid




I think you are starting to get it! hehe
Everything requires faith on your part.. Holding any evidence or anything else as TRUE requires faith in that evidence or whatever else..

Everytime you use a word in our language, you have shown your faith that that word represents what you intend it to mean when others hear or read it.. Sounds pretty dumb, but it is true...

That kind of faith is pretty easy on our part, since it is something so commonly used; however, to a Chinese guy who just learned the language from a course and is in America for his first time, he's going to be a bit shaky about using it, he really doesn't have faith in what he's saying.. I don't know if this is a good example, but I sort of know what I am trying to say...

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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Quintessence]
    #1854072 - 08/27/03 08:14 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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NuggetsTheShaker said:
I don't like when people say that each of us are all god. Sorry, no. That goes directly against the definition of the word. You should really be saying each of us is simply alive. Your confusing being god and being alive. Life is magical in itself.

I don't believe there is a god. I don't see why we feel the need, as humans, to have some figure watching over us, a creator. Why can't the world just exist? Why did something have to create it? And if something did create it, what created the creator?

There are many questions we can't answer. It's way too convenient to just say: Oh, that's because god did that.




It is also way too convient to say that a God didn't do that...
Just as their isn't enough cold, hard, logical evidence to show the existance of God to us, there isn't enough cold, hard, logical evidence to show that he doesn't.

We obviously lack a lot of knowledge on the subject. Why can't the world and the Universe just exist? Because when did it start existing? What existed before it existed? How can time have a starting place, because what was before the moment when time came into being (I believe time is an illusion, but still). If there is just one Universe, what is beyond it?

No answer makes any sense, it is just something that we cannot fathom at all right now. We are way too encapsulated within the System to really understand what the System is right now from an all encompassing view, or even what is beyond the system... infinity is a good answer, but we cannot understand the concept of infinity.

I don't see a possibility for a simple answer in an issue so magnificently complex and beyond our limited understanding...
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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1854101 - 08/27/03 09:01 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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It is also way too convient to say that a God didn't do that...




But if you believe a god created everything than you have no motivation to find the truth.

The whole God theory is so primitive. We developed the idea of a all knowing god, as a mechanism for us to help feel less vulnerable. To make us believe that there is someone caring for us, everything happens for a reason. But this is not reality. Rather, a fabrication we created to help us get through the day. We cannot accept the fact that our sole, purpose as humans, is to reproduce. To make sure our species survives another generation. We are simply just another virus, although, an inteligent one perhaps.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1854116 - 08/27/03 09:17 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Everytime you use a word in our language, you have shown your faith that that word represents what you intend it to mean when others hear or read it..



I thought faith was like a conviction, a sort of loyalty to a particular belief. Are you saying that faith is nothing more than a working assumption? Because when I use a word I only need a working assumption that the perceived meaning of the word will be what I intended. But I'm not always convinced of this assumption, I can hedge my bets by acting simultaneously on a conflicting assumption. If I really had faith I wouldn't do that, right?


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Diploid]
    #1854153 - 08/27/03 09:47 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I think that when it comes down to it, holding a "belief" in anything outside of your own mind requires a great deal of faith...or ignorance.

Example: I have faith that what my senses tell me is at least mostly correct.

Forgive me for playing devil's advocate here, as that's what I'm doing  :wink:

Personally, I do not believe that "faith" in God is any different than the "faith" we put in various scientific theories. Don't get me wrong here, I'm sure anyone will tell you that I am and always have been first and foremost a scientific mind. But that cannot stop me from the realization that much of what I put thought into in science cannot be directly proven by my own senses...and thus I must have some measure of faith that what I am being told is true.

Of course, there is always corroborating evidence to back up a claim  :wink:


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1854788 - 08/27/03 02:24 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't see a possibility for a simple answer in an issue so magnificently complex and beyond our limited understanding...




Here's a possibility related to my ramblings on time in another thread:

There are an infinite number of different 'snapshots' of the universe, each a unique variation. Each 'timeline' (such as the one I am currently following) is merely a progression through multiple closely related snapshots - the more similar two different snapshots are, the closer together they are, thus expediting travel between the two.

But there is no travel. There is no progression. There is no timeline. There is merely an infinity of possibility. What I appear to be experiencing is one possible arrangement of snapshots. There are an infinity of other possible arrangements.

Perhaps physical existence itself does not exist as we think of it; perhaps it is merely a complex interplay of information (I recommend "The Psilocybin Solution"; find it on Erowid under Online Books) within one vast consciousness - one consciousness conceiving every possible manifestation of 'reality' - and perhaps experiencing it through independent subsystems (ie, us - the conscious beings that 'inhabit' the snapshots - or, perhaps more accurately, the vast consciousness views the perspective of each frozen multidimensional 'image' of a being, with the nature of snapshot progression giving the illusion of individual consciousness).


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Quintessence]
    #1855137 - 08/27/03 04:10 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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But if you believe a god created everything than you have no motivation to find the truth.




Um, I believe that a "God" created everything, in a sense. I still have a LOT of motivation to find the truth.. It is why I keep my eyes open.

What I believe in as God is the Creator. He chose to experience himself... Think of the vast system that keeps us running.. subdivided into organs, into individual cells, into different parts of cells, into atoms, into god knows what else (not a quantam man).

I imagine that the viewpoint from these subsystems is quite different than ours.. but so much the same. There is a vast Universe inside of just ourselves, and there are billions of people here, not to mention the planet itself, the stars, the galaxies.. Quite vast and unaccounted for by us, don't you think?

All of this is just individual pieces of a One. Whether or not this One is a part of even more complex systems... I do not know.. I have absoultely no way of knowing, as of right now.

I understand what you are rallying agansit, the idea of the Christian god, and so forth.. people who are preached this idea of something, and they just accept it is true, so on and so forth... I myself think that a lot of those ideas are off base.

Then again, The Bible as it is today is probably nothing like it was originally intended... most of it is metaphors, right? Parables? People say that about Jesus' teachings, I think most of it is. I will probably never have a way of knowing what it was really meant to be, as we have had thousands of years of people who mostly didn't understand it either taking it literally, or changing parts to fit their individual needs...

I myself don't think our sole reason is to reproduce. I also don't think we are to be parasites, even though we are at times. I believe we have the potential to be whatever it is we wish to be.

If our sole reason was to reproduce, to populate, we would have constant breeding and the planet would already be dead.. If you give a human being a purpose, a task, something that he is to accomplish and he believes in it, it will be done. We have will power.

We have arts, sciences.. I think we have the possibility to seek any meaning that we want to. We basically have a blank sheet with which to do with whatever we wish. We have in this world a lot of different schools of thoughts, and every one of them seems to have some completely opposite school of thought.. I don't find this as evidence that we only have one real purpose in being here. I find this evidence that we have no purpose, or rather, the oppurtunity to pursue any purpose.

Life's more enjoyable that way, too.. I sure hate having to follow anyone else's plan if it does not correspond with my own ideas, my own free wil (unless, of course, it is a necessary trade off towards something that I want, as most of life has this... its called balance)...
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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1855427 - 08/27/03 05:38 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

The fact of the matter is that most of us know about "God" because this country was founded by Christians. Let me remind you that the so called "creation" in the bible is not actually a creation. it is actually a "recreation" and if you know your modern science at all you'll know that the 7 steps taken in the "creation" are nothing humans couldnt do in Mars in a near future. (Global warming is a key factor). I agree with Nuggets, The whole thing sounds like just a way to explain the hallucinations early humans got when consuming hallucinagenic foods, and to maintain law and order. There are so many religions that give diffrent explinations of how we got here. Before we came to this Country the Native Americans had there beliefs, it just so happens that we were forced Christianity into our brains by the goverment in early America, thats all.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Spokesman]
    #1857769 - 08/28/03 04:46 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

hi i am from greece and i am an orthodox christian ok?
yes i am, because they have told me to be and if i was in india born i would be something else. i can't find god in anything exept one thing "limits".

where is this fucking black universe stop and if it does what is after that and for how long?it can't stop somewhere and it can't go for ever .....there, is where i found god, He is the only answer.

one asked a saint of our religion:"what did god do before he made the universe?"
and the saint said:"he was preparing hell for those who research widely"

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no answer and will never be from humans
there is only the force
GOD


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: ionathan]
    #1857773 - 08/28/03 04:48 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

lol


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: ionathan]
    #1859109 - 08/28/03 03:34 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Whoever God is he doesrnt want us to know the truth.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Spokesman]
    #1859130 - 08/28/03 03:37 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Spokesman said:
Whoever God is he doesrnt want us to know the truth.




Either that, or He does, and there is no way for us to know right now, we need to evolve to a state where we would be able to actually hear, understand, and be receptive to the Truth..
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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1860073 - 08/28/03 07:53 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, even though i dont belive in the Gods peole write about and praise. I am open to the idea that the councisness that is courently keeping us aware in the social level can travel through all levels of matter in its evolutionary latter. Anything from the ATOM to the Universe, we can litterly "be" anything Physical. We just dont currently know how to use this power with out the help of certain Psycjedelics, Am i making sense, boy im stoned, lol, So maybe their is beings that have reached a higher level of conciousness and are beyong our Physical reality. Whoa, lol, ANyway ponder on it, im probably going to make some edits when i sober up, lol, PEace!!!


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Spokesman]
    #1861520 - 08/29/03 03:16 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Spokesman said:
Whoever God is he doesrnt want us to know the truth.




look its not He does n't want us to know the truth but our mind is not made to understand.
example: someone has a dog in his house ok? the dog lives in the yard for all its life and maybe it sees also some metters away.this is the world for the dog. the dog is imppossible to understand that it is living on around shit that it is standing in the black bigger shit that goes for ever.now you will ask me why not to give us the mind to understand, maybe after this is god and we would be all gods. i guess so


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: ionathan]
    #1861678 - 08/29/03 04:30 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

If we're just incapable of seeing outside our backyard... then how can anyone claim that there is something beyond this supposed fence?
They would need evidence, right?

You'll say no... you don't need evidence of something beyond the fence... you have faith, right?
And then I'll say that you just might be another casualty of Pascal's wager (or something similar).
Then you'll say "no no no.... I KNOW..."
And then I'll ask for evidence...
Then you'll get pissed at me and call me names...
And then I'll cry and run off.

Is this about right?


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Sclorch]
    #1861746 - 08/29/03 05:21 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

look i don't tell you to believe in god or stop trying to find answers
.i don't also say that if you believe in god all of your problems and answers would be solved and all the world would be happy and without any wars.i am just saying that first the motherfucking goverments should stop spending money going trips here and there in planets ,when the same time millions of young children in africa dying from hiv before they...what can i tell you , i think that you know ok? i am also not fanatic with christianity i just i have a problem with universe and without god i would be dead ,i would have komit suiside.other people are not afraid so much of universe, i am.


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: trendal]
    #1861831 - 08/29/03 06:55 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

ahh.. I get ya.  Beliefs are fickled beasts.  Damnit, the devils, themselves. :wink:

We can't have that, can we? 


 


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Spokesman]
    #1861846 - 08/29/03 07:16 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah, even though i dont belive in the Gods peole write about and praise. I am open to the idea that the councisness that is courently keeping us aware in the social level can travel through all levels of matter in its evolutionary latter. Anything from the ATOM to the Universe, we can litterly "be" anything Physical. We just dont currently know how to use this power with out the help of certain Psycjedelics, Am i making sense, boy im stoned, lol, So maybe their is beings that have reached a higher level of conciousness and are beyong our Physical reality. Whoa, lol, ANyway ponder on it, im probably going to make some edits when i sober up, lol, PEace!!!




You sort of make sense to me, but it is because the idea is already in place in my head, and it reminded me of it.. hehe

I believe that we are Everything. If everything is energy at different forms and levels, as I believe has been basically proven by science (correct me if I am wrong, I don't keep up on such), then we are just some structure made out of energy that is constantly having energy "powering" us, so to speak. The same energy that is flowing through us today was not the same energy that was powering us yesterday. Our "individual" perspective is just some shell designed to observe, experience, and is being powered (and, technically composed of) by Energy..

Its like encapsulation. A structure is formed to carry information, and the structuring is composed of the same code that makes up the information...

I don't think psychadelics will give us the answer, I think that they show us the path (and a view of the mountain that we are walking to) that we have to walk on our own to get there... A lot of people that only rely on psycadelics end up getting burnt...They keep seeing things farther and farther away, but never do the work of getting further towards what they are seeing, and they are no longer to cope with where they are at because it isn't where they are at in their minds anymore..

I definitely like the idea of other beings that have evolved higher than us, and are no longer on our physical plane.. how would we know, without evolving there in the first place? You can't see what is on the other side of a mountain without first getting past that mountain..

look its not He does n't want us to know the truth but our mind is not made to understand.

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example: someone has a dog in his house ok? the dog lives in the yard for all its life and maybe it sees also some metters away.this is the world for the dog. the dog is imppossible to understand that it is living on around shit that it is standing in the black bigger shit that goes for ever.now you will ask me why not to give us the mind to understand, maybe after this is god and we would be all gods. i guess so




Good point. However, if the dog breaks free from the fence (the barrier of his reality) and "journeys out", he will experience things that he would never experience in his old reality, would see a bigger part of the picture, etc...

Possibly evolution is the climb to understanding everything as it really is? Breaking down and eliminating the barriers (fences) keeping us from what is on the other side?

Maybe these barriers were put in place because if we were just dropped in it all as it really was, we wouldn't be able to comrehend anything and would have built up no knowledge? Like taking a six week old baby and putting him in a quantam physics class, perhaps?

The thing about faith is that you just "accept" that there is something out there beyond us, and that it will take care of us.. I prefer journeying out there, finding out what is out there for myself, so I would be better off with what I learned..

We are all on a path that will get us to where we are to be, we just need to learn the knowledge that will keep getting us farther and farther, keep pushing the boundaries of our consciousness and continue to keep seeking...
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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1862592 - 08/29/03 02:09 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

ok you are right i agree with you, it just that i see things some times from my point of view and i get clastrophobic, i feel like the dog only that i know that i am stuck on earth. i was just once on acid and i thought i knew everything about universe and all the answers were answered i don't remember much it was two years ago,now its the first time i am going to eat shroomes in a couple of weeks!

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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: ionathan]
    #1862892 - 08/29/03 03:42 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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ionathan said:
Quote:

Spokesman said:
Whoever God is he doesrnt want us to know the truth.




look its not He does n't want us to know the truth but our mind is not made to understand.
example: someone has a dog in his house ok? the dog lives in the yard for all its life and maybe it sees also some metters away.this is the world for the dog. the dog is imppossible to understand that it is living on around shit that it is standing in the black bigger shit that goes for ever.now you will ask me why not to give us the mind to understand, maybe after this is god and we would be all gods. i guess so




See thats the problem though, the emphasis is on the "i guess so part" Like i said, maybe there are beings that are evoveled beyond "our" reality.But i dont think they are the ones that created the universe or that have control over it. And even if oddly enogh they did, can we really be punished just because we didnt belive in them???


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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Spokesman]
    #1864850 - 08/30/03 04:08 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

no nobody is punished ,when it has to do with the universe the infinity and god, i believe that punishment comes from inside his self.he can't stand the emptyness and the size of it and gets inasane,from his thoughts. i believe that these beings or one being ,that i call god, is clever enough to understand our questions and he doesn't want us to be blind beings believe in him without having our personality.so in order not to be punished ,we have to find peace inside us.for me these happens when i think of god and solves my universe problems.so until scientists explain this infinity i will believe in god.personally i don't thing there will be an answer about limits of universe.anyway i accept everything ,that's why i take mushrooms, in order to expand my mind and find answers,not only for universe and god but also for earthly matters.

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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Effed]
    #1886007 - 09/05/03 06:31 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I am glad you guys had fun with this one.  :smile:


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    #1886478 - 09/05/03 09:11 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

My view on God is that it doesn't have to be personified as many religions do so. I used to be a Catholic, and in fact still go to Church ocassionally becuz I don't want to hurt my dad's feelings. Through my psychedelic experiences (which don't number nearly as high as some people's) I felt as though I gained a knowledge that I've seen in life everyday since I was born.

I thought about life very hard for a good while and eventually started reading into Taoism. After reading I was amazed to find many of my feelings within this practice. To sum it up, "What goes around comes around," and now I have a much deeper understanding of this.

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Re: Do You Believe In God? [Re: Effed]
    #1886506 - 09/05/03 09:28 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

To quote a 1960 BBC interview with Carl Jung: "I do not need to believe - I Know."


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    #1893592 - 09/08/03 11:58 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

We are extensions of deity, not necessarily set apart from it. In our humanity, we are limited in our understanding of the esoteric qualities of our minds and souls. While we are certainly capable of reaching higher levels of existence and enlightenment, there are many who do not know or are unwilling to go through the processes of soul-searching that it takes to get there.
Higher power exists, even if only unto oneself. To believe in a higher power gives one hope that there is something (perhaps undefinable and infinite, perhaps not) greater than what is evident now.


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