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When will you all understand? There is no god!
    #873564 - 09/10/02 03:57 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

There is no god! People want to believe that there is a god, so they have a reason for existence.

But the only thing we really know (but that also is not for sure) is that we were generated by evolution just as the fish, birds, dogs, fly's and other creatures. Just because we have consciousness, doesn't mean we must have a leader called god that created us and everything. What i'm trying to say is that the first conscious people were scared because they did not understand. And that is a fact, look at people who never tried drugs. They have the most wrong points of view available. Thats why they needed something that would always be there to protect and reward us. When we need it. And to justify somethings. By saying its gods will...


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: Fliquid]
    #873568 - 09/10/02 04:12 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

ok... and this evolution just took place... just like that... wow boom a conscious race was created... thank happenstance... that is mathematically not possible...
i don?t believe in a god that leads us... a "higher" conciousness... i belive that god is in us and around us... we are god come to flesh, to experience himself... and i say we don't need god to justify anything... my reason for existance is existance itself... i simply am... and god simply is... the unmoved mover... and he could not not be, because if he was not there would be NOTHING at all... no universe, no galaxies, no stars, no sun, no planets... nothing... god is everything and everything is god... and that is the beauty of this creation...
anyways... thats the way i see it... i believe there is and was a reason to the evolution... a reason to everything... and that reason is not found elsewhere, up in heaven or something... it is found within ourselves...
but well... i cannot prove to you god exists and you cannot prove to me he does not...


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: In(di)go]
    #873571 - 09/10/02 04:17 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Amen to that! :cool: 


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: In(di)go]
    #873574 - 09/10/02 04:19 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Ok.. But why must god be the embodiment of man then? Because man believes he is the primary element in the universe. And that is where all god believers go wrong. Because the universe was here before we were here. I find it pretty egoistic that god believers say they come from god. And that god was a human.

There just is no god. Only self mockery. If there are aliens, i believe they agree to my point.


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: Fliquid]
    #873577 - 09/10/02 04:25 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

It takes faith to believe there is no God.

Especially when you can never prove there is no God


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: bigslick]
    #873579 - 09/10/02 04:28 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

If you truelly believe that, then i'm sorry to tell you this. But, you are an ignorant individual.


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: Fliquid]
    #873580 - 09/10/02 04:29 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

A true quest for truth requires an open mind. Will you join us on our quest for truth?

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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: ]
    #873581 - 09/10/02 04:30 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I asked you first!  :grin: 


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: Fliquid]
    #873586 - 09/10/02 04:34 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

:grin:

Yes, but if your mind is closed to certain ideas, the existence of God being but one, then it is unlikely that you will ever find what you are after.  In which case why should we join you? :wink:

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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: ]
    #873591 - 09/10/02 04:40 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

If you join me we shall try to find out what it really is what you feel when you are tripping. The shiny edge of the visual, audio and feeling...

Why certain things came to be as they currently are.
Why we are as we are.
Why we do things as we do them.
Concentrate on that all, and things will come to you. As they came to me. (And god had nothing to do with that.)

And ofcourse to understand the most insignificantly day-to-day thing in its finest detail. To gain even more understanding of thing in general.

Enough?


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: Fliquid]
    #873595 - 09/10/02 04:46 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i never said the universe revolves around us... and i never said we were here since the beginning... and i never said that we are the only beeings here... in fact our race is very very underevolved in spiritual matters... there are many many civilizations all around the universe that are more evolved than we are... that understand the concept that we are all one... one concsiousness, one beeing experiencing itself in a zillion different ways...
i do not say WE come from god... i say ALL comes from god, including you... and let me take it a step further... all IS god, including you...
and i did not say god WAS a human... in that case i would say god IS a human... but well, i'd like to use shroomism's signature to explain this:
"we are not human beeings having a spiritual experience, we are spiritual beeings having a human experience" ... hence, god is not the embodiment of man... man is the embodiment of god...


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: In(di)go]
    #873596 - 09/10/02 04:47 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

If there was a god what make you think he knows of our existence. The univers is a big place with probbably a vast diversity of living creatures. All orbiting diffrent stars in an almost infinite amount of galaxies which is constantly growing.

Not forgetting our expanding universe is one of a infinet multi-verses which is
expanding at an infinte rate. All this basicaly creates the exsistence of everything into a a huge infinite multi dimetional mathamaticle fractle.

It could be like saying if a blood vesel is god is he aware of the earth or the diffrent planets.

God is just a projection of the human super ego ie the almighty powerfull perfect being that is better than man. It has also been used by goverments, churches ect to controll the masses and gain great amounts of wealth.

So there is no god only the mind and its our purpose is to destroy the ego and free our selvs from this material world of suffering. You may not be suffering now but remember in the end we all die. You will see this happen to your parents, your girlfriend/boyfriends and the people you know.

As for evalution ect it may not be as mathamatical impossible as you think.
Especialy when we are talking about an infinte reality.


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: EvilGir]
    #873601 - 09/10/02 04:51 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i agree with you... we must crucify the ego... and once we do that we are left with... exactly... beeing... existing... god
and no... nobody dies... nothing dies... i notice you are into science a lot... then you must agree with me that energy cannot be destroyed nor created, it can merely change its form... thats what happens when we die... and now i ask you this... where do you think all that energy came from in the beginning? what do you think that energy is?


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: In(di)go]
    #873605 - 09/10/02 04:54 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

God is the word that was first used by the primate people to define the unexplainable.

In that form its fine with me. And don't think i'm insulting you, or making accusations towards you. But the way you said it, it summed up the peoples general view on what god means.

We shall never agree.  :smirk:

I say god is just something made up just like santa claus, and other fairytales.
To keep the children nice and obedient. 


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: Fliquid]
    #873606 - 09/10/02 04:55 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

In reply to:

Why we are as we are.
Why we do things as we do them.




we are as we are because we are what we choose to be, and we do what we choose to do... we are created in image and likeness of god, but not in a physical way... in a spiritual way... i mean we create... and thats what makes us different from other animals... we are able to create our reality and our experiences... using what the bible calls a holy trinity (which's meaning was almost completely twisted by the church)... the holy trinity is thought, word and deed... every thought we send out echoes in infinity and proyects itself upon our reality... and so it is with our words and obviously our deeds...


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: EvilGir]
    #873611 - 09/10/02 04:58 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

God is just a projection of the human super ego ie the almighty powerfull perfect being that is better than man. It has also been used by goverments, churches ect to controll the masses and gain great amounts of wealth.




YES  :grin: 


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: Fliquid]
    #873612 - 09/10/02 04:59 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

and you know why we shall never agree? because you have the wrong image of god in your head... thats the reason i don't like that word... as soon as you say god people think of a beeing separate from us pulling our chains and punishing us for our mistakes... but that is not the god i am talking about... and you seem to refuse to notice that...
god doesn't need us to be good or obedient, or nice... he just wants us to be and to create... because in ultimate reality there is no good or no evil, no right or wrong... and i tell you that nobody does anything "wrong" according to their view of the world... god is perfect, holy and divine... so what makes people think there is something we can do to piss him off? arrrrgh i don't like prejudices


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: In(di)go]
    #873614 - 09/10/02 04:59 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I feel so sorry for you...  :frown:

And this is my true statement. 


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: Fliquid]
    #873619 - 09/10/02 05:02 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

:grin:

hehehehehe... damn if you knew what i am able to experience through god you certainly would not feel sorry, but envious...  :cool:
but well... it is your reality... and i respect it... i am merely trying to open your mind a little... and show you the prejudices society has put in your head about god and existance... so you can abolish them, and remember for yourself... create for yourself


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: In(di)go]
    #873620 - 09/10/02 05:04 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Look into the mirror...

Quote:

arrrrgh i don't like prejudices






Sorry, my chemicals are acting up again.. I don't need to act like this...  :laugh:
The testosterone is fucking with me again...

So, someone who has his own point of view. And it is not the same as yours, is a prejudice.

As i said before, i'm sorry for you..  :frown: 


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