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Offlinejohnnyfive
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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #898687 - 09/22/02 02:07 AM (19 years, 9 days ago)

True i do, theorize alot, but i ONLY theorize on the FUTURE.

I truely believe that our future willl answer this question! This question about whether god is just a evolution of conseniousness {sorry about spelling, no dictionary near me} or god being a collective conseniousness of all things.

Kinda like being all and one at the same time. (refering to god)

And about the searching part ... that was psyco-cybernetics!


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #898713 - 09/22/02 02:27 AM (19 years, 9 days ago)

and you say you hold these ideas only as ideas but you behave as if you believe they are objective truths.

Truth what is truth. Is anything an absolute certainty.  :confused:
The only certainty is that death is a change not an end. (This a belief for me at least.)

though psychedelics do have some stimulant effects on the nervous system, it's not a matter of "harnessing more brain power"; it's the way in which your brain is functioning, due to the introduction of chemicals which change the way electrical impulses fire between synapses. experiences are different because your brain is working differently, not more

Known physical affects in the brian don't rule out that which seems to be a probability. That being that the brain works more efficiently, allowing for understanding that would otherwise be unavailable.



 


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: jayson]
    #898983 - 09/22/02 11:37 AM (19 years, 8 days ago)

In reply to:

Known physical affects in the brian don't rule out that which seems to be a probability. That being that the brain works more efficiently, allowing for understanding that would otherwise be unavailable.








that doesn't "seem to be a probability" to me. what seems probable is that in your altered state, many thoughts seem to be "deeper understanding", but they're really just drug-induced un-reality. some thoughts might be geniunely "deep", however, some sober human beings are capable of much deeper and more "efficient" thought, than some on the hardest acid trip. drugs don't make you smart. they just change your perception and thought processes


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #900082 - 09/22/02 09:31 PM (19 years, 8 days ago)

that doesn't "seem to be a probability"

Its obvious to me that your experiences are considerably different to mine.
Perhaps your to rigid in your thinking, or perhaps you don't take enough.

Then there's always the possibility that i'm delusional.  :crazy:

but they're really just drug-induced un-reality. some thoughts might be geniunely "deep", however, some sober human beings are capable of much deeper and more "efficient" thought, than some on the hardest acid trip. drugs don't make you smart. they just change your perception and thought processes

You seem to have little respect for the experiences that you've had. Maybe this is a factor. The mushrooms are a part of greater entity, that entity is the teacher. Unless you are at least open to this as a possibility, chances are you won't experience anything that can be considered spiritual. Are you even using mushrooms, or are you using man made substances.  :frown:
 


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: jayson]
    #900116 - 09/22/02 09:45 PM (19 years, 8 days ago)

I've used mushrooms. I came to them with no expectations
the "deep" experiences I've had with them have been based on philosophical/scientific/self-analytic stuff, because that's what I'm interested in anyway
people who have those experiences and interpret them as spiritual, do so because there are spiritual ideas floating around in their heads anyway
and the fact that even people who have "spiritual" experiences can have wildly differing stories shows that there's no true inherent "wisdom" embedded in these mushrooms. what you experience depends on who you are and what you think about already


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #903304 - 09/24/02 01:30 AM (19 years, 7 days ago)

What is the difference in a vision or a halliucination?

There isn't one is just invalid!

To say that drugs will not make you smarter. Sure psychedelics won't make you textbook smarter. They make you SPIRITUALY SMARTER!!!!!!!!!!! (At least they did for me ... Can i get a second?)


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: johnnyfive]
    #904391 - 09/24/02 01:45 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

Sure psychedelics won't make you textbook smarter. They make you SPIRITUALY SMARTER!!!!!!!!!!!

This is bullshit... and you misspelled spiritually.
What the fuck is "spiritually smart" anyways?

As for the "textbook smarts": of course a molecule cannot impart formulaic information into your brain. I hope you don't claim that mushrooms speak to you now, as it would contradict your stance here.


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: johnnyfive]
    #904467 - 09/24/02 02:13 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

mushrooms give you a different perspective on things, and you may notice different things different. so with a little understanding i would say you realize things, not learn...


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: CleverName]
    #905737 - 09/25/02 12:00 AM (19 years, 6 days ago)

i think what i have learned from mushrooms (and somewhat with weed) is that the universe is infinitely more complicated than we can possibly imagine. i think that there are an infinite number of realities. reality is energy and our brains are tools that interpret the energy in a certain way. so if you want to think of god as what enlightens us to reality i think that we are all gods.


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: ]
    #911577 - 09/27/02 05:55 AM (19 years, 4 days ago)

I love you.


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: Fliquid]
    #957709 - 10/13/02 08:34 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

why would somebody say "god = existence?" or "god = the 'everything'" or something like that when they know perfectly well they're simply going against all conventional definitions of the word "god" in order to make the word fit in with their own belief system.

IMO anybody who resorts to claims such as "god = existence" shouldn't be using the word "god" as that just seems to help them fit in among all the people they actually disagree with by using the same word for completely different things.

-=- Matt/Strumpling -=-
lol "god"


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: Strumpling]
    #958456 - 10/14/02 12:51 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I posted a misguided reply to this thread too.

Apparently what the guy meant was that the word God holds no meaning because different people define it differently. I think...


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: Strumpling]
    #958821 - 10/14/02 03:10 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

So the topic is still alive... ROFL  :grin: 


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: Fliquid]
    #959173 - 10/14/02 07:43 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

*looks for kill switch*
DAMMIT!!!
grumble... grumble... battery around here somewhere... grumble....
*searching for other means...*
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Fuck!!
How do you stop this fucking thing?????


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: Sclorch]
    #960333 - 10/14/02 07:03 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I have the kill switch but I need this one alive to serve as an example.

A fine illustration if ever there was one. :smile:

Doncha luv ambiguity? :wink:

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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: ]
    #960362 - 10/14/02 07:12 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

im wearing one white sock, and one red sock.


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: CleverName]
    #967324 - 10/16/02 11:02 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

" Questions about psychedelics remain unanswered because our basic questions about consciousness remains unanswered " -Timothy Leary

I believe that if we ever understand consciousness then we may just figure out god, our origins, life and its purposes!


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: Sclorch]
    #982164 - 10/22/02 08:59 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You are such a bad person!


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: johnnyfive]
    #982167 - 10/22/02 09:02 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Aha, so we are quoting people?

Here's one!

We are simply a small part of a film of slime covering a rock falling through space...and as existential as that sounds, the realization that even that is marvelous, is the important thing.

Dennis Mckenna

HAH! Right back at yah boooooooooy!!  :grin: 


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Re: When will you all understand? There is no god! [Re: Fliquid]
    #982230 - 10/22/02 09:52 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Wakey! wakey! - This concept of "there is no god is nothing new"! You are talking about a bearded god in the clouds at the gates of heaven, Lost Soul is saying the word God can also be used to describe a sense of a collective intelligence and conciousness that underlies the physical universe and connects us all, animal mineral, vegtable. If you dont have any experience of this I suggest you try some stronger mushroom doses or pay more attention and stop all this ego posturing.

While were on the subject of " there is no" There is also no mushrooms,no internet and no computer that im working at now. They are all just words that describe processes and relationships that are not and will never be the words themselves. You seem to have fallen into that trap. Try reading quantum psychology by Robert Anton Wilson - It may help you out of your mire!

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