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Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore...
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Well tripping Ive discovered two things: 1-rain is awsome
2- The reason God never comes around anymore is cause he's lost all
interest in us. At first we were new and excitin' to him, after +2000yrs
he doesnt like what we've become and has probably moved on to anther
solar system, some other planet t see if things are different with them.
Which also answers the 'are we alone?' question...

just my 0.02$

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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: plague member]
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that was lame
huh huh just my .02cence


first u get the money, then u get the Weemen!
Wee men? what the hell are u talking about!
i said woman; no u didn't man!

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first u get the money, then u get the Weemen!
Wee men? what the hell are u talking about!
i said woman; no u didn't man!

~Ur PAYING ME IN HAIR CLIPPINGS! WHAT ARE U cRAZY?

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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: plague member]
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Your explaination is as valid, if not more valid than christianity.

"And then you will realize the truth; there is no spoon."

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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: plague member]
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Actually I dont think its God thats lost interest in us, i believe we've lost intrest in God.

Life Is Like A Plate Of Chitlins, Everythings Just Fine Till You Find Out What Your Eatin!


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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: AtticMonkey]
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i think your wrong.
the human race is obsessed with finding god or a "high power" whatever you want to call it.

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I think. Therefore I am DANGEROUS.

"You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You are the same decaying organic material as everyone else" - Tyler Durden


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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: plague member]
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People need to start to believe in themselves, instead of a magical little man who lives in the sky.

"And then you will realize the truth; there is no spoon."

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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: plague member]
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Are you sure God is a man or even human like? I see "God" as an energy. I've seen it before. Maybe cuz I'm dying who knows but I don't think it's like what everybody thinks. "God" has not lost interest in us we just don't take the time to learn how to listen to her. (I say her as refering to a positive energy force like protons.)

"Anything that grows from her is meant to be consumed in some way... what turns "drugs" bad is when it is touched by greed dirtied hands and processed"


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Here little Fungi I won't hurt you....

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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: plague member]
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Doesn't the sun shine? Don't the trees look pretty at dawn? Isn't the rain awesome? Don't stars look like shimmering dimonds in the sky? Seeing all this and other things, how can you say that God does not reveal himself?


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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: plague member]
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c'mon kids mainstream america is picking up on the relation of altered states of consciousness and god. you mean to say i can find basically mre information on this topic in newsweek Religion And The Brain than a board on spiritualiy and altered conciousness....last week I saw on the fox family channel all about alien experiences and altered states. ya'all are going to have to take a step back when mainstream has more eye opening radical views than yourselves....
http://www.msnbc.com/news/566079.asp?cp1=1#BODY

above is link(copy and paste if not working) newsweek article

Peace & Out




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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: que]
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god... the word used to manipulate the masses minds into believing what they want them too. A good example... the bible and jesus christ.

que- what are you trying to imply?



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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: que]
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Quite an interesting article there, Que. Thanks for the link. What amazing people those scientists are, they just can't help but catalog and fotograph and describe and talk and talk and talk, and they will tell you that God is a figment of your brain, completely forgetting, on the other hand, that brain, is, itself, just a figment of your brain... amazing!


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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: Droz]
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just saying i'm seeing some things here that are a little behind the curve like "god-a word used to manipulate the masses"....
it seems to be pulling towards "god-previously misunderstood: science reveals connections between brain chemistry and the reality of what has been interpreted as god for centuries".....when such stories the cover story in one of the largest publications in the world and on the fox familychannel I think we can move beyond wondering if perhaps christians are controlling, if this is your stance (it should be) Consider taking a look in to the reality of the god phenomena which some use in manipulative ways and use for your positive.....wheather it be learning from a ecstatic state of extacy (quite probably what Jesus was all about) or just knowing some things that many have not in the past on the science of god.....if your so inclined, never to be pushed but since your here your undoubtedly curious....even those who say they do not believe in god....if you take the effort to mention something that sez you are indeed thinking about it......


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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: gribochek]
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gribochek
Yea your right about the scientists, blah,blah....but what I like is things like this in the light. They are simple in a lot of ways but to go beyond that they are basically telling how your brain and/or hallucigens, breaks down barriers to connect with god but then they run into their own wall cuz they are men of science (some) and don't believe in god. Mainstream stuff you'll run into that also due to the fact they cannot say "we found God" then you have a major x-ian problem on your hands.....
Now Go Out And Play!!!


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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: gribochek]
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it often terrifies me that most people forget that the category includes itself. for example, is the idea of tunnel reality, a tunnel reality, or is it a meta-tunnel reality, etc. labelling something does not always free one from its effects.
the materialist may put consciousness in the brain, and the occultist may put it in the cosmos, yet both be attached to mere ideas-about-reality. clearly, there comes a point where one must surrender the subject-object model, and become a single experimenter/experiment to find out where one's Will lies.
lotsa great theories goin' on here, but how many are 'in the lab' testing them?
peace/cj



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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: CosmicJoke]
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I think the Bible is a beautiful work of fiction. The authors take all the negative aspects of human nature, and direct them to believe that an eternal father figure will punish them if they act on their own human nature. It's a remarkable book that any government should study. There are key insights on where a human's morals prevent him from rebelling. Too bad it backfired. Just look at the crusades. That isn't what "god" meant.

And if God does exist, I still wonder why we haven't heard from "Him". we have come a long way, and the Bible depicts him as someone who would have killed all the democrats by now.
Don't get me wrong, I believe we all share "God", but its nothing like Christianity depicts. There are no pearly gates, and no fire and brimstone.

Nothing of what I say is a personal matter. All cultivation questions are on behalf of counterparts who risk growing. I take no responsibility in being the messenger.


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Give me struggle, iron, volcanoes...

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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: Crasher]
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The bible doesn't tell us what God will do to us, as a result of our own behavior but rather what we will do to ourselves as a result of free will. It is a owners manual on free will, which most have yet to master (hense Christ lived). The idea of coming to understand God is a culmulative adventure for humankind and we are the "lab". I have seen countless examples of my own free will, getting the best of me, time and again. Two things I know: 1) If you want to be "right" it may be difficult to be happy (which explains the failures of political/religious movements such as the crusades); and 2) self disipline is the vechicle of all spiritual movement in our personal lives. No one, especially in a setting which is founded on the use of mind altering chemicals such as The Shroomery, wants to hear that but the irony is that with shrooms you can't get high every day, on them. You have to WAIT a period of time before you will get the best effects.
The government will try to control society because that's it's job. They may use religion, police enforcement, taxes, etc. but as Christ said, "To Caesar with what is his." God isn't meddling with our lives because that is what we wanted. His influences are abstract to the point that only the quiet and observant minds will see. He is not a government. He is not our parents.
BTW when one speaks of "The Bible" one should clarify the difference between Old and New Testament because the writing styles are markedly different. The Old Testament uses mostly epic styled writing which is rooted in metaphore and requires interpertation, while the New Testament is written less metaphorically and more in the writers own observation on historical data and accounts of Acts of Christs Apostles and disciples (exception is the Book of Revelation, which is mostly a book of dreams, written in Epic style). Most of history's blunders in connection with the Bible, has been due to a lack of education on the possible meanings of its writtings. It is very important to understand many aspects of life during the time each portion of the Bible was written to gain full realization of It's potential to the single life of each reader, which amazingly It has the ability to render.
I continue to be amazed at how one time in my life, I passed off the significance of this incredible vessel because of sound bites I read or heard, provided by my local media company, trusting that they had my spiritual well being in mind instead of their own commercial motives.
"If something is worth doing is won't be easy and if something is easy, it may not be worth doing." Spirituality is not easy, it cannot be done from revelations alone and our thoughts alone do not constitute truth in the Divine sense. Happiness is the ultimate state of mind which is our purpose in the Divine sense. God could not "give" us happiness in the Devine sense so we recieved free will to which we could "achieve" happiness and thus be equal to God in Devine Sense. All He is so we can be.




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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: que]
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"There are people in the world so hungry that God can only appear to them as bread"

I think that we are all a little mislead when it come to "God" I see this God as energy. We are God and God is us. When you look in the mirror you see God, when you look at a tree tou see god. I heard someone say this, I think that it puts it best "there is only one god..Breath".



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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: shroom-girlie]
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I'm sorry, but I refuse to allow myself to accept a book as faith. I intend to travel the path, see the other sides, study different paths, and choose when I am ready. But for now, my spiritual side (strong for my age, in my opinion) sways more towards God being energy.

By the way, could a christian explain these to me:
-Why does the new testament list Joseph's Geneology, when it is irrelevent given Jesus is "begotten"
-Why does orginal sin effect me? I am told that it does because I am human. Physically, yes, I COULD be a decendant of Adam and Eve, but God created my fresh *new* soul, which hasn't done anything, yet. Why should My body my spiritual downfall?
I'm not flaming Christians, I would just like to know

x-mas trees came from Celtics who decorated trees in worship of nature.

the idea that Satan has a tail, hooves for feet, and horns came from a druid nature god, if im not mistaken.





Nothing of what I say is a personal matter. All cultivation questions are on behalf of counterparts who risk growing. I take no responsibility in being the messenger.


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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: Crasher]
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On the geneology question, I'm not totally sure about this one but I will try. In Hebrew culture, a family's (especially a man's) lineage was like a resume. Even though Jesus was begotten, not made, Joseph's lineage was still important since it would have seemed less plausable to have the Son of God living with bums. In those days if someone told you,for instance, about a great stone mason or carpenter, one of your first questions would have been about that persons father and grandfather and so on. It was as if you were only as good as your direct descendents. Joseph's geneology was added at some point to the New Testament in some versions, as further proof of the Holy Family's "good stock" lineage. Today, most of us would be in trouble if this were a common practice and it goes to show how our lives aren't the sole property of us. Our legecy could affect our children and grandchildren. Just something to think about.
Original sin is one of the most misunderstood themes in the Bible. Sin in the Old Testament was defined as "missing the mark". This Original Sin, was an explanation of our condition as human evolving from a child into adult and so one. All humans left the Garden and went on their journey into the Desert. These metaphores described the role of labor and pain in our lives as we strive to achieve a permanent spiritual existence. As a creature with instints we are programmed by nature and mostly these instints protect us and enable us to survive but the idea of the Lion laying with the Lamb foretold that when we eat or drink we sustain only our physical lives and not necessarily our spiritual lives. We can miss the mark by forgetting that we are really spiritual and that we will die some day regardless of how well we do as animals. Many people still forget this idea and only think about the material world. In the New Testament, this idea was built upon with the act of Baptism where as we perform an act of being blessed with water which signifies a mock death and rebirth imitating the Earth itself as it goes through floods and the imminent Wake of the Flood which is a time for planting and rebirth. Imagine eating and never being hungry again or drinking and never being thirsty again. That is kind of what a spiritual birth is like. Original Sin is more like Original Birth into a spiritual life. The Old Testament writers used the most dramatic type writing and metaphors they could to get peoples' attention, they also saw God as punishing and threatening. One way to weigh what their motives and influences were is to know that they were anonymous and did not sell their work or make a living preaching or attracting followers. They were much like we are now, here sharing what they felt and experienced from the powers they were encountering. They were the original psychonauts.

Edited by GRTUD on 05/17/01 08:58 PM.



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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: plague member]
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That's odd, the last time I checked, the sun is in the sky for a good 12 hours a day.


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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: Crasher]
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Firewolf, I doubt anyone can answer your questions about the Bible. Partly because the bible contradicts itself so many times it's not even funny.
The fact is, is 80% of the shit in the bible is bullshit, because it was not written by "GOD". The bible was written by judgemental and some power hungry humans. A lot is in there for intimidation purposes.
You can try, but asking those kinds of questions to Christians will usually get you nowehere. They will either tell you you are going to burn in hell and you need to repent, or not to blaspheme to Bible, or they will just ignore you.


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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: plague member]
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Because God is very very very shy.

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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: yourdouyolayola]
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It happened shortly after people found out the world was round


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The world itself is the will to power - and nothing else! And you yourself are the will to power - and nothing else! ~Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: plague member]
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You deem God, a "he"... Thus, you would not see God, even if God was your face...

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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: Gomp]
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god doesn't live "up there". he dwells in all of us.

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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: GRTUD]
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For those being saved He does reveal Himself. The Holy Spirit must bring the person into the truth with power. The Word is opened and understood and the new birth happens. All these things are given to His people.

Original sin and "free will".
GRTUD has made various statements on these topics. First off unregenerate man has no "free will". The Bible declares all as spiritually dead, with no ability for spiritual understanding. Man is naturally opposed to God's truth as his mind is bound and he is born dead due to original sin. This is why someone must be "born again". In due time all those that God intends to save will be converted by coming under the hearing of the gospel and the Spirit will apply it and the new birth happens.

Original sin is both a corrupted nature, but it is also to be declared condemned by imputation of the first transgression.

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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: Crasher]
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i acknowledge that you did stumble upon deep thought, just try to refine it a bit next time.
I like the fact your aware there are a shitload of other planets And solar systems out there, oh and if you achieve cosmic conscious, it feels like you don't need a spaceship to be "out there" in space, you and everything else are just one :smile:

However the idea that a God just tends to different planets and people and can just leave ours when he gets bored makes it sound like a hollywood story for a force that probly does not have an ego or personality at all, therefore cannot ever be bored. Linear way of thinking about a God, but don't get discouraged.

keep thinking.
There IS a force at work.
You have to find the right door to open.
when it opens, breathing will be pleasurable, and easier than ever. You will see things differently, and get alot more out of life than most.

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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: cheezeits]
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I have not read any of the thread but watch the videos pt 1 and 2. It is a doctor talking about the mind, "god", and alot of other things that most people have far out misconceptions of.... just check it out


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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: VisualLearner]
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God is a convenient, three letter word. A place holder name for otherwise varying lengthy and ambiguous descriptions.

It is the height of arrogance and or control, that man create/d "God" in their own image, whether to "manipulate masses" or for their own self/ego driven motives...

Why "God" (convenient name) doesn't reveal "himself" (this writers personification) to us (those deemed sane enough for  credible accounts) anymore (now in increasing godlessness)?

I would like to ask, what would be deemed as a significant, revelation?
I have seen many strange and wondrous things in life and daily occurrences of the mundane miracle...this could indicate the existence of God...
But...????

What are you looking for...what great revealing do you need as proof?:eek:


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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: cheezeits]
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DjLaureate said:
i acknowledge that you did stumble upon deep thought, just try to refine it a bit next time.


You are replying to someone who posted that seven years ago. Don't wait up for a response.


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks, your man is no good. i saw him at the tittie bar getting lap dances. lets run away together

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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
DjLaureate said:
i acknowledge that you did stumble upon deep thought, just try to refine it a bit next time.


You are replying to someone who posted that seven years ago. Don't wait up for a response.


There is hope for old topics. I thought all our ideas were just relegated to the graveyard.


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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: eve69]
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I like the topic though. My personal quest since I was young was to get to know God/dess or his/her facsimile, and to that end I have lived like a visionary. It is true that I sacificed much in terms of material gain and success to live true. I pretty much feel I have lived up and found what I was looking for. So my opinion is that quest for truth and honest living will pan out for all who so search.... IE, it is not a waste of time....


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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: plague member]
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plague member said:
Well tripping Ive discovered two things: 1-rain is awsome
<br>2- The reason God never comes around anymore is cause he's lost all
<br>interest in us. At first we were new and excitin' to him, after +2000yrs
<br>he doesnt like what we've become and has probably moved on to anther
<br>solar system, some other planet t see if things are different with them.
<br>Which also answers the 'are we alone?' question...
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<br>just my 0.02$
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Your two cents isn't worth it IMO. Have you ever considered the fact that non existent beings have never revealed themselves.:tongue:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: Icelander]
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'if God was your face...'

If?? Is he/she/it not??


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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: backfromthedead]
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pemp quit juicing up these hos

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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: johansojack]
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'you'll know one day when its too late'

Those ain't my words, dawg.:sorry:


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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: backfromthedead]
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so you're saying you delineate from my thought flow eh. I shall destroy you hippy
: D

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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: johansojack]
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'fireworks, your man is no good. i saw him at the tittie bar getting lap dances. lets run away together'

Flamer.


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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: backfromthedead]
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hey ur gay
i nmeant that to be directed at mushroom trip
besides, whatever. you probably aint even had any whiskey today.

cyber?

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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: johansojack]
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Hey, I don't drink like a fish. But, I got pisces in my veins like fish scales.


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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: backfromthedead]
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ye make a good point there. the aliens drew this with my hand. i stinks itz a msg frum jebus

beep nrp

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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: johansojack]
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Yeah, keep making puppets, and we'll keep banning you. :ohwell:

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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: plague member]
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First if there was a GOD he would not be of any human quality more like just some type of conscious energy, next every time god misses his appearance date its like its reason to believe more that he was "late" instead of not existing, if there was a god there would be one for every planet with life since he is a creation of the mortal mind. if he really created us in best intension's he would of made life more pleasurable and easy, way to go in the African continent you really fucked those guys over could of at least provide clean water and conditions to grow proper food i mean wtf who does that ( Africa was location of eden, but made into a wasteland because his first creation ate from the tree of life tho provoked to do so by gods own creation?) i highly doubt he puts ppl through hell so that the religious factions can take a % of the donations Jesus can turn water into wine but not wine into water? smite these fuckers and give these people some resources please.... :mushroom2:

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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: Kinetic]
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Now if god did reveal himself the next day's thread would be if God exists then who created God? there is no way he created himself so if god is all powerful who is more powerful then god to create such a powerful entity.... and the questions will go on for eternity no???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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