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How many of you believe in god?
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I don't believe in god, but I do believe in life after
death. I believe that thogh for the same reason most
people believe in god. Because I don't want to stop
existing. That's why people created religon, so they could
deal with death. I have no proof to prove there is a
god, but then again I have no proof to believe there isn't.
However there's so many religions I believe none of them
are correct. It's also odd how Jesus Christ had such a big
impact on the word at his time. I mean our calender is
dated after him so there must've been something special
about him.


My whole opinion on religon is, every relgion is wrong and

no one will ever know if there's life after death, there's
only hope. Do any of you strongly disbelieve in religion
and if so, why?

I'm sure this has been brought up befor but I'm still "new"


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: Hypnotic]
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First of all "It's also odd how Jesus Christ had such a big
impact on the word at his time}
Jesus had an impact on only a few people during his life time, mostly through his travelling. It was only many centuries after his death did "his" teachings impact a large portion of anyone.

I don't like organized religions. Simple as that. I can't say I don't beleive in them, 'cuz well I see churches all the time, and thats pretty much proof religion exists. "Religion" (organized) in my eyes is just a concept that everyone can feel good about and conform to, and feel wanted and needed and accepted. Just like the jocks in highschool, or punk rockers, or ravers. Its all the same, and I don't really hate it all , but its not really for me. I beleive what I beleive, because I've experienced all the evidence I need to know to beleive it. Not because someone said it was the right way, or the wrong way. Just a melding of my own experiences.

I don't beleive in any central "god", just in a sort of unified energy of the universe. The universe is a single entity, and I am a part of that entity, like my toe is a part of me. People didn't create religion out of a fear of death, they created life after death, because of fear of death.


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
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I before E accept after C :)

I know what you mean


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: Hypnotic]
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ya... I pretty much believe in whatever comes along during the course of a regular day. Then, at the end of the day, I either sort it out, and see where it all fits, or I go to sleep and forget about it.
I look at all the religious people, most of them think they have it all figured out, that they are better than everyone else because of it. I hear them saying "God Bless America!" And I think to myself, "Are you fucking blind or just ignorant? Jesus Christ, I mean look at yourselves! Does God really bless you, or are you just kidding yourselves?" I just cannot believe the shit that is going down in Gods name right now. And not just pertaining to the "War on Terrorism".

If God blesses America, does he say "Fuck the rest of the world."? Why are some people so EXTREMLY rich, when something like 80% of the worlds children are starving to death as we speak. Literally, starving to death. Dying in the dirt. Meanwhile, we're flocking to the movie theatres to see J Lo's newest flick, and she's being handed $20 million in cash. One person. God Bless America. Fuck the rest of us.

Don't blame religion, blame the fucking hypocrits.


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: Hypnotic]
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If you want the Truth, you're going to have to 'seek.' You are evidently not on a seeker's path now, so you listen to the outer world and it's surface undersatndings; it's childishly literal and concrete notions. When Carl Jung was asked, "Do you believe in God?," he responded, "I don't need to believe - I Know." "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed," is a quote attributed to Jesus of Nazareth. For some people, faith is a result of a life-changing Experience. This is what happened to Saul of Tarsus (who thought he was serving God), only to have the classic mystical Experience that changed him from Saul to Paul. Saint Paul. In order to 'Know,' one has to make an 'experiment with Truth,' as Mahatma Ghandi called it. One has to take the position that God IS Ultimate Reality - that it is in God that "...we live and move and have our being," as Paul put it. We are in God as fish are in the sea. Do fish know they are wet? Most people don't 'Know' that they are in God, and therefore, God is not in them. And that, at bottom, is why the world is the way it is. Saul began his spiritual career killing the new Christians, thinking it was God's work. Bin Laden on a small scale. When God is in you, you become Christ-like in varying degrees (of sanctification or wholeness or holiness). The more Compassion, the greater the Wisdom. Hope this helps clarify.


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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I still dn't see why you believe in god. You say you just
know, but how? You believe because you want somewhere to go
after death. You want to live in a utopian heaaven and
visit all those you have lost to death. That's what I hate
about religion, how it messes with the nieve. There is no
"heaven, or "hell", or "god". There may be something witch
even I somewhat doubt. The only thing that I question is,
what happens to my counsiousnes(SP) after I die. Does it
just go away, is there any possible way it can live without
my body? Those are my only questions, you just need to
realize you were brainwashed by your paarent aand the rest
of society as a child. IMHO :)


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
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In response to jonnyshaggs420: "The universe is a single entity, and I am a part of that entity, like my toe is a part of me."

Now thats what I think is god and our connection with it.


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: Hypnotic]
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In response to Hypnotic:
'You believe because you want somewhere to go
after death. You want to live in a utopian heaaven and
visit all those you have lost to death."

This has nothing to do with god if you ask me. Believing, or knowing, the excistence of god is simply accepting that your a part of something bigger. And that bigger thingy is also a part of something bigger etc. You are also god, and your toe also etc.
God is infinite


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: Hypnotic]
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Actually Hypnotic, I am a Diplomate in Clinical Hypnotherapy, and I was never hypnotized by my unbelieving parents. I discovered God through a combination of transcendental, or mystical inner experience, and the faith in ancient wisdom recorded in a variety of scriptures. My faith is as a Jewish Christian Gnostic, because my scriptural faith is conjoined to inner experience or gnosis. Experiences of a mystical nature preceded my knowledge of scriptures. You will need to learn that your individual sense of being - of identity - derives from Being Itself. Until you 'realize' that you are not just a 'wave' that comes into existence and leaves, but the very Ocean from which the wave emerges and then merges with - you will never have an answer to your questions.


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: Hypnotic]
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a circle inside a circle inside a circle inside a circle.....and on into eternity....and vice versa.
Binded by black and white, blinded by shades of grey, lost in the seas of color, finding the one in the empty void.
Hug yourself, you have found God.
Heh.


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: KeepAskingTime]
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id rather say a spiral inside a spiral :wink:

but i definitely agree with markos the gnostic... we are in god... and not only in him... we ARE god... we were build in his image and likeness... not physically, but spiritually... we were born as creators, sadly most people dont recognize this, and they live their lives believing in a god separate from them who is punishing them with so many different things, when its really themselves creating their lifes that way...

hypnotic: read "the power of now" by eckhardt tolle, or "conversations with god" by neale donald walsh...


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: KeepAskingTime]
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I for one was very happy being pagan, I had no need to believe one way or the other. (Actually, I wasn't so happy, my life was fucked up, but it might have just been the timing.) Like you, I doubt that we'll all go to heaven and we'll be chilling with our dead relatives... I also agree that such a view is very optimistic (though I don't think it looks all that good).
I also don't know if "God" is really the Jesus story, the Buddha story, none of them, all of them... It doesn't concern me that much. There are a lot of things that I don't understand completely, and I don't care about that either. God may in fact be hidden in Quantum Physics.
You think we're brainwashed for believing, I think you're brainwashed for not believing. Strip yourself of all preconcieved notions of what God is, you are most likely right in saying that most people are probably wrong.


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: In(di)go]
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"the Power of Now" is simply the best book I have ever been graced with reading.

Edited by Adom (11/18/01 04:43 PM)

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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: Adom]
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Damnit, I ordered "The Power of NOW" and instead got a book by that name, but by some fuck named Vivek Ranavive or something like that. It's about dealing with advancing times of the computer networking revolution. Woo hoo!

Damnit....


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: KeepAskingTime]
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I finally got "Nothing in this book is true......" also but I have to finish the Power of Now first, I have about 50 pages left, alot of pausing and absorbing what I have just read, so its taking longer than my average read. The book is absolutely amazing.

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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: In(di)go]
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id rather say a spiral inside a spiral

I prefer to think of it as a dodecahedron inside of a dodecahedron...




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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: Hypnotic]
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The question to ask is not "God, do you exist?" its "God, where are you?" .. Nothing really matters.. It doesnt matter if God does exist, the effect of his existance exists, which is all that really matters.. Aside from that, my belief in God has helped me to conquer quite a few idiotic human things.. like hate or whatever.. ( lol, you wouldnt believe that from some of my posts, but believe me on this one). God.. you feel God all the time.. God is love, and i dont mean making love.. true, pure, love. Hypnotic... i wish i could help you. I am not brainwashed, I was like you at one point.. amazing how when I totally re-examined everything, so much I formerly saw as bad, I saw as good and necessary... It doesnt matter if God exists or not, cuz He exists ;p .. Youre trying to pinpoint God as a single entity, a god. How do you know that is what He is? How don't you know that God is, say, The Universe itself. That way, we're all really part of the same thing.. we're all connected through God


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: Adom]
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yea... power of now is great.  if anyone wants to read up through the end of the first chapter check out:
www.swib.com/thepowerofnow

and about the whole god, religion thing.  i don't believe in god, i don't believe in any religion.  i do believe in the whole universe having it's own energy.  some of you are calling this god, but if you look up god in any context, it's always dealing with religion, therefore i won't use that word to describe what i think is the unifying energy (you know, that stuff js420 was talkin bout :wink:).


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: Swami]
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Swami wrote: "I prefer to think of it as a dodecahedron inside of a dodecahedron..."

Could you explain/draw this? How do you imagine the structures?


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: geokills]
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hey geokills thanks for that link, thats the reason I bought the book ( :

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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: Hypnotic]
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Would you please tell me what it is that you are denying, what exactly is this God that you are denying? What is God?

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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: Adom]
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Yeah, saying everyone is wrong because they are naive is being very naive. How can you say that there is no God, no Jesus son of God, no Heaven, no Hell. You have no proof one way or the other. You are afraid of dying, obviously, and must accept that you don't have a fucking clue whats gonna happen, and worrying isn't gonna get anything done. People made religion to explain why things happen, just like people made science. What's wrong with someone believing something you don't believe in? If someone truly thinks christianity is the way to go, and they follow its teachings the way they should be followed, what harm are they causing? People say really religious people are the worst people in the world, but I bet for every hypocritcal religious person, there's an atheist who think its ok to be an asshole cause life doesn't matter.

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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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I'm being misunderstood. No one is wrong because we will
never know. What I'm saying though, is I pity people who
devote there whole life to religon and then when they're
gone, who's to say it was even worth anything? that's why I
don't like religon but still believe in something. I don't
believe I have to do everything right aand say certain
prayers. I just live my life the way I feel comfortable
with and hope there's something or someone waiting for me
when my time comes to die. Sorry if it sounded like I was
accusing someone of being wrong, these are all just our own
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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: Adom]
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http://paranormal.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.webcom.com%2Fway%2Fintro.html

I thought this was very interesting, although the person who wrote it comes off as a femminazi closer to the end of her chapters...


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It is an act of kindness to educate the ignorant.
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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: Hypnotic]
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pssst: the big doughnut...

Do I beleive in god? Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Zeus? Did they believe in god? Does a baby, just before birth, believe in life? Does a person, just before regeneration (spiritual rebirth) believe in the sacred? Do I believe in all things here and now?

I think the prob you face is common to most. Who to trust to tell me what to believe? Who not to trust? Who knows best? Who knows just enough to cause trouble? How can you know what to believe? Too?

I could say, "you are only ready to receive, this much, understanding for now - what you are most comfortable with in the time being - as we all are"... but, I would only be rephrasing beliefs from three other people, who knew - in my own way with words.


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: MrKurtz]
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"I AM THAT I AM"

God, in his perfect existance, identified himself in this way: with a logical conundrum, neither provable nor deniable.

With understanding given by God, wrot by education and personal motivation, examination of the Bible leads me to only one conclusion, that it is TRUE. My entire life is like a trip, I am never bored, refuse to give in to fear, and am truely amazed at the faith given to those who are so simple, of which I am but one.

Jesus is Lord.


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Post deleted by a3d0a3m

Edited by a3d0a3m (11/30/01 04:08 PM)

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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: a3d0a3m]
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Why then post anything in a sprituality forum? Are you seeking to be convinced otherwise? A very tiny percentage of humanity insists in the absence of a 'Transcendenz,' an 'Ultimate Concern,' a 'Summum Bonum' of existence. The only alternative to the recognition of 'Being,' with a capital 'B,' is crude and shallow materialism in one form or another.
Just because your faith and understanding did not develop along with your other intangible qualities is not a reason to proclaim atheism in a spirituality forum. Perhaps if you learned something up-to-date about Judaeo-Christian writings, say, from John Shelby Spong's 'Liberating the Gospels,' you could shed once and for all a childish image-based conception of Ultimate Reality and come to understand what was intended by ancient authors.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: oneoverzero]
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I think the prob you face is common to most. Who to trust to tell me what to believe? Who not to trust? Who knows best?

Why believe in any sort of myth at all?


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: a3d0a3m]
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mormons started in early 1800s in upstate NY by joseph smith; first temple was in kirtland OH; smith & 2 lieutenants were lynched in illinois; most of the followers went with brigham young to utah territory (LDS) & some stayed in missouri with joseph smith jr (reform LDS)...
for "gnostic influences" on american religious expression, see harold bloom...


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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enjoyed the book !
hope you are well...


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: Swami]
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"paging joseph campbell"
(hmm, he seems to have stepped out for a moment...)


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: ]
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I do too and these post get no where.

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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: Swami]
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> I think the prob you face is common to most. Who to trust to tell me what to believe? Who not to trust? Who knows best?

There is no reason to look any where but inward to answer this question, no books, no preachers, no churches, no parents, just inward.

< Why believe in any sort of myth at all?

Your idea of a myth and my idea of myth are different, you only believe in words, I know words to be sign post that can't explain most of the good stuff in this life.

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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: Swami]
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"paging Joseph Cambell" - thanks man.

SWAMI!!! Listen! Myths are NOT to be believed like believing a scientific journal... they are highly information-dense units of wisdom.

In the U.S. we DON'T have myths anymore, well, except maybe Star Wars, which Joseph Cambell consulted with George Lucas to create.

Myths at one time in history for us, and still for many cultures are the "living libraries" where all things knowable can be found.

Btw, Puuuuuuuulease spare me the barrage of quoting arguments...


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: oneoverzero]
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agree oneoverzero. What gets me, is why go into a conversation about spirituality, with the assertations that some other's idea is wrong. All you are doing is creating conflict. If you are going to discuss spirituality with someone, you need to at least 'step into their shoes' for a minute. Just accept their perception for the moment being to see where they are coming from. Then you are in a position to talk so that they'll understand what you are saying. You will be much more likely to add to or modify their perception, and both parties come out the better.

I'm sick of people just jumping in with "This is all utter bullshit!" These are spiritual and philosophical discussions, not science. I get enough of "that bullshit" in school. Please spare me from it here.


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to understand other people….to be aware
to understand animals….to be a decent person
to understand plants….. to be a refined individual
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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: D_Tox]
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I believe in the power of belief!
All religions are correct so long as there are people believing in it!
And if you have enough faith and belief in ANYTHING it will just plain BE!


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: D_Tox]
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D_Tox, that is very well said. I suppose, as you mention, "stepping into their shoes" gets easier and easier the more mature and knowledgeable a person becomes.

The opposite usually ain't so. It seems those who don't know, yet talk big like they know have a hard time doing this.

On the subject: MarkostheGnostic is one of the best read people we have in this forum - and one of the most helpful, always suggesting books (since we don't have myths, we have books). Well, he once suggested Persephone's Quest: entheogens and the origins of religion by Wasson, Kramrisch, Ott, and Ruck. Well, I actually bought the book and am reading it! It's very well written and I'm learning more than I ever hoped for...

People, listen to your elders - they know what's up. You can generally feel it if they are lying - otherwise, they are telling you something only to benefit you...

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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: oneoverzero]
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"In the U.S. we DON'T have myths anymore, well, except maybe Star Wars, which Joseph Cambell consulted with George Lucas to create. "

Hehe, you really believe that? How about the myth of the "founder of america" christopher columbus? A seedy punk who landed somewhere in the gulf of mexico or whatever... is considered one of the greatest national heroes. This war on the Taliban, people everywhere saying they hate us because we are free and they aren't. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact we killed millions of Iraqi's and supported there greatest enemy Israel. Plenty of people still believe in religion, even america. People believe lots of bullshit... it just hasn't become known widespread to be bullshit, thats why we don't call them myths.

As for what someone said about the christian god being a giant guy with white hair sitting on a cloud.... thats what a few idiots said who wanted to try to comprehend god. God is supposed to be incomprehensible. People tried to explain it to others (educated idiots explaining to peasants) and made up all this bullshit about a big guy in a cloud with harps and so on. Anyways, people take religion to literally and make it look bad. Sorta like how some people abuse drugs and give all drug users a bad name huh?

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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: MrKurtz]
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When I say "myths" - this is refering to myths proper.

I get your ideas tho. Didja know schools are know leaning towards Leaf Ericson, or to put it more clearly - historical accuracy? Yeah, I can remember "Chis Colombus sailed the ocean blue in 1492" so I could circle a "B" on my multiple choice test on history. Just great! He called the indiginous peoples Indians (thinking he circumnavigated the globe to India, where Indians live) and now the endless varieties of Native Americans are grouped into a WORD. Somebody fix this!

Bullshit is bullshit, and do you think alot of people are, not just realizing it, but, getting fed up and sick and tired of it all?

The old white bearded man (mmm, ref. to Santa? perhaps nowadays?) is comprehensible. I don't see anything wrong with it to introduce someone to the 'concept' of god. Gotta start somewhere. However, in many religions I do see an upper plateau people cannot surpass. They end up with a complete description of the EXPERIENCE, and miss the whole ESSENCE of religion.

Religion is the foundation for something wonderful. Something absolutely wonderful. I can only say this much.


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: Hypnotic]
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I am God.
You don't have to go to church to see me.
You don't have to die to believe in me.
You don't have to hate others to prove my existence.
You don't have to have a particular book to know me.
You don't have to have a particular IQ score to know me.
You don't have to believe in me at all.
I exist.
I am in you.
There are no secrets to finding me but one; believe in yourself.
There are many paths to me, just choose one and walk it, I will be there.
If I am in you then you are of me and I of you and you are God.
I can't tell you what to do.
I can't tell you what not to do.
I have equipped you with the knowledge of me.
I have equipped you with the power of reason so that you may find me.
When you find me you will know me.
You are a moral being, because I am you and you are me.
I require nothing from you; I am God.



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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: mrfreedom]
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People only believe in god because they are scared or they want something, most only believe in what he can do for them.

if god didnt exist that doesnt mean love and beauty wouldnt exist anymore because they are real even more real than your god


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: missulena]
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missulena, prejudice will get you nowhere.

"People only believe in god because they are scared or they want something, most only believe in what he can do for them."

While this may in fact be true of some, even many people, it is not true of all people. I never really believed in anything, even as a boy when I attended church every sunday. Like so many people I didn't care either way about any God.
One day, I had a very powerful experience, and then for awhile everything was clear... I don't really remember any of it too clearly now, but I've never really gone back to my old beliefs. I don't know the whole story behind "God", whether it's the christian one, Buddha, Lucifer, Ala... (I think I mentioned this before...). I'm pretty sure there is something though. If there isn't, well, it's no big deal. If there is, that's great.
You don't have to believe that there is a God. Even if someone showed you proof, would you accept it? If you could show us all proof that there is no God, would that make you happy?

Well, Jesus was a real guy, that I'm fairly sure of. And Jesus said some interesting things.
Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]"
Well, I'm still seeking. I'm not just accepting that "There is a god and if you are good you will go to heaven when you die." I'm not convinced about the whole "heaven" thing either. I'm sure it's not quite how everyone thinks it is if it in fact exists.

I don't want anything from God. God hasn't given me anything to make me love him. I don't think God works like that anyhow, he's not some cosmic puppet master (did someone else say that, or was it me?). He doesn't send tidal waves crashing into cities or set your house on fire or kill your daughter... Nor does he give you money and cars...

I think that God may in fact be knowledge... or something along those lines. Well, not literally, I can't explain it yet...

By the way, I have sought until I became disturbed, it wasn't too hard... I hope it doesn't get much more disturbing before I reign over all... ;)


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: gnrm23]
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Thank you gnrm23. I am well, and I'm happy you read the book. Spong enlightened me by several degrees!
A very Happy Thanksgiving to ya! Rose and I cooked (a free-range) turkey, but it was just us. We took plates to my Dad and to her Mom, who happens to to be recperating from hip replacement surgery in my Dad's nursing home - right across from his room! Interesting, very interesting karmic thing. Hope to have you to dinner at some point. L'Chaim!


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MTG said:
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If you want the Truth, you're going to have to 'seek.' You are evidently not on a seeker's path now, so you listen to the outer world and it's surface undersatndings; it's childishly literal and concrete notions. When Carl Jung was asked, "Do you believe in God?," he responded, "I don't need to believe - I Know." "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed," is a quote attributed to Jesus of Nazareth. For some people, faith is a result of a life-changing Experience. This is what happened to Saul of Tarsus (who thought he was serving God), only to have the classic mystical Experience that changed him from Saul to Paul. Saint Paul. In order to 'Know,' one has to make an 'experiment with Truth,' as Mahatma Ghandi called it. One has to take the position that God IS Ultimate Reality - that it is in God that "...we live and move and have our being," as Paul put it. We are in God as fish are in the sea. Do fish know they are wet? Most people don't 'Know' that they are in God, and therefore, God is not in them. And that, at bottom, is why the world is the way it is. Saul began his spiritual career killing the new Christians, thinking it was God's work. Bin Laden on a small scale. When God is in you, you become Christ-like in varying degrees (of sanctification or wholeness or holiness). The more Compassion, the greater the Wisdom. Hope this helps clarify.



Yes, transpersonal change, unequivocal and powerfully transforming. and Yes, truth is vapid without self-realizable experiences.

...Saul reminds me of Milarepa, a tibetan saint who contributed the the system of Tummo. He was an ex-murderer.

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Actually Hypnotic, I am a Diplomate in Clinical Hypnotherapy, and I was never hypnotized by my unbelieving parents. I discovered God through a combination of transcendental, or mystical inner experience, and the faith in ancient wisdom recorded in a variety of scriptures. My faith is as a Jewish Christian Gnostic, because my scriptural faith is conjoined to inner experience or gnosis. Experiences of a mystical nature preceded my knowledge of scriptures. You will need to learn that your individual sense of being - of identity - derives from Being Itself. Until you 'realize' that you are not just a 'wave' that comes into existence and leaves, but the very Ocean from which the wave emerges and then merges with - you will never have an answer to your questions.



A question: Are you trained in Past Life Regression?

...Yeah, the warm 'ocean' of the sun. :O)

Antichrist said:
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In response to jonnyshaggs420: "The universe is a single entity, and I am a part of that entity, like my toe is a part of me."

Now thats what I think is god and our connection with it.



How Tao-ish. :O)

Lozt Soul said:
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id rather say a spiral inside a spiral

but i definitely agree with markos the gnostic... we are in god... and not only in him... we ARE god... we were build in his image and likeness... not physically, but spiritually... we were born as creators, sadly most people dont recognize this, and they live their lives believing in a god separate from them who is punishing them with so many different things, when its really themselves creating their lifes that way...

hypnotic: read "the power of now" by eckhardt tolle, or "conversations with god" by neale donald walsh...



That pretty much sums up my thoughts..

..I have heard of Tolle, he lives in Vancouver - 12 hours from where I live. I wouldn't mind going to one of his workshop when he comes to town.

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1/0 -
Thanks for the vote of confidence - I appreciate that. I read your post to my wife who cracked up at the word "elders." But, it's true - I am twice the age of the average Shroomerite.
Peace.


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MtG -
Heeeehe. I'm 35 and still alive (although look 26)...  juuuust old enough to realize 10 years extra under one's belt IS a hellalot (Californian term, my point of origin was San Francisco General Hospital @ 1:30am) of life experience. :wink:

Mmmm, on the subject of this thread... here's one for ya'll: Do you believe in MIRACLES? (I do) Sorry, I can't explain. It's like this: You'd have had to be there. Does this confirm my belief in god? Why of course. Does this confirm my knowledge of the Truth of God? Absolutely!

I would venture to say, perhaps if circumstances work out, I would like to meet you and, your wife one day. :smile: (Really)


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Re: How many of you believe in god? [Re: oneoverzero]
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We live in Florida. I've camped around the USA but never been to California - which I regret. Never caught the Dead in SF and was offered a ticket - invited to Concord CA for years.

My wife gets carded for alcohol at age 45. I rarely get perceived as late 20's, now I hear 30, but some dingy middle school kids have thought that I was a student as recently as last year. Now this just means that people pick up something 'youthful' from my 'field' or movement, as well as 'boyish' looks. Im 48. This seems to be an energy phenomenon that outweighs mere visual perception during an encounter. It is an aspect of 'mind over matter,' because I don't identify mentally with my 'chronological self,' if that makes any sense. Spending 'time' outside of time allows one to identify oneself with a more dynamic or energetic notion of self, moreso than a physical-social self. Yet the impact of identifying oneself more as 'spiritual being' has the benefit of creating a youthful form and demeanor. I'm convinced that the Chinese concept of the Philosophers' Stone is at work here - longevity enables a greater lifetime for the acquisition of Wisdom and its corollary - Eternal Life.

Yes I believe in miracles. Some powerful early synchronicities opened my eyes to the miraculous. The Greater Mysteries, as manifest in my life, i.e., very specific results for very specific petitionary prayers is not something I would air publically. They are Sacred, and to be imparted in a face-to-face or verbal exchange. Peace.


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The redwood forests are worth every ray of light shining through the sparkling floura-dustys, free-floating in the fresh air in the awesome hills of CA. :sun: I live in Mississippi not too far from New Orleans (btw, the French Quarter is something to see) .

And I know the youthfulness of being in the field. Being in God. It has to do with an individual's biochemistry and interacting within the field. How we interact with God. Seeing the full spectrum of light in life as it were. And chronology makes no sense to me whatsoever - seeing clocks for what they are, not what they represent. Sometimes I will only be kidding and say, "five minutes ago it was four hours later" :laugh: in reference to the psychological event known as time.

In the middle of this week I'll have completed what must be done locally - in order to leap forward in life. Ya know... Prayers Answered & Spirituality.:)


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