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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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OfflineLucidDreams
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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: LucidDreams]
    #1150616 - 12/18/02 04:59 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I actually believe that psychedelics can be doors...

If you take a trip and then go about doing the same old robot-routine that you always do, you are quickly going to fall back into a "pattern" (karmic-patterns?)
I want to stress that the importance of the teachings of the psychedelics should be implemented into ordinary life in order to gain the most out of these experiences..
There is no ONE-way of doing these things
All roads lead to the same goal anyway... just do what gives you happyness, and gets your heart singing!
And dont compromise with your highest truth!





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OfflineTannis
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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1150647 - 12/18/02 05:34 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Walking and slicing bread are skills that most people learn how to do.......a series of "steps".........one step following the other. In my experience, I seem to be able to connect the dots, or take certain steps in a rapid succession and it at times amazes people. To me I just see some things quicker than others. Maybe there are things that people can't do simply because we can't see the order of the steps to take to accomplish them......
Maybe if we were "all knowing" then nothing would be impossible.......provided that we follow the steps. The universe could open up for us like the tumblers in a combination lock................
If you believe the New Testament.....it says, now we know in part...........


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1150977 - 12/18/02 08:04 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Fragments of God separated from the whole to become entities, with self-imposed restrictions. These restrictions are of the same nature of physical laws, in that we cannot change them but the Whole can. The reason for the separations as well as restrictions is for gaining experience. The Whole wished to experience itself as separateness in order to experience more things simultaneously. The Whole, in turn, is infinite.

If everyone knew we were part of God with all its power, we would be too caught up in our own wonder to experience things such as pain and laughter. Perhaps at some point in "time" the entire nature of existence may change to something we cannot even at this point comprehend (ie., a totally different set of subatomic particles may come into existence from the ones we know and create something that we cannot even imagine. oops, there's those restrictions again). A whole other universe(s) with another set of rules.

I also believe personally that the reason for this is that God is still trying to come to grips with its own existence (that is us, as we are a part of it) and it's like a child playing with its imagination. As Infinity became aware of itself, it decided to set up this whole game we call the universe along with its rules. Yeah, this is some pretty deep stuff and not your typical Starbucks discussion. I hope you gather what I'm trying to get across to you.

Sorry if I don't reply to this thread soon, either. I'm actually leaving university right now to go home for winter break. I hope everyone has a happy holiday!  :smile: 


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: ]
    #1151173 - 12/18/02 09:39 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

The Whole wished to experience itself as separateness in order to experience more things simultaneously.

Which is why Van Gogh cut his ear off...


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1151331 - 12/18/02 10:32 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

i figure its like vanilla sky, with us setting ourselves into these situations that relly only exist because we are experiencing them. i love vanilla sky :-)


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Children, What's the sound,
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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1151483 - 12/18/02 11:20 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

The Whole wished to experience itself as separateness in order to experience more things simultaneously.

Which is why Van Gogh cut his ear off...

Your a funny guy Swami.  You crack me up :laugh:


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: 3eyedgod]
    #1152189 - 12/18/02 03:25 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

My sole purpose in life is to amuse you. :smile: 


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The proof is in the pudding.


Edited by Swami (12/18/02 03:26 PM)


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1153009 - 12/18/02 09:02 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I didn't know vulcans cracked jokes.  :blush:


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Murex]
    #1153080 - 12/18/02 09:22 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Murex, we are all multi-dimensional beings. Never pidgeon-hole anyone. Never pretend to understand anyone. Everyone has more depth than anyone else can possibly imagine.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1153114 - 12/18/02 09:34 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

"Fine. Now let's ACTUALLY read my quote once again: "...why are we no more able to manipulate matter after this realization than non-realized humans?"'



because 95 % of humanity still believes matter manipulation to be impossible.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1153118 - 12/18/02 09:36 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

"we are all multi-dimensional beings. Never pidgeon-hole anyone. Never pretend to understand anyone. Everyone has more depth than anyone else can possibly imagine. "


That is a fantastic concept. I agree with it whole heartedly.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1153140 - 12/18/02 09:57 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Wow, you really do know kundalani, don't you?

I have to masticate on this.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1153805 - 12/19/02 06:36 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I am in agreement with those that connect the fact that we still seem to mostly exsist on this plane and that is why we cannot "access" our "god" powers, as such.....

I think that this planet has some kind of "shield" around it that makes things normally accessable to the rest of the universal population unaccessable to our planetary population. In other words there is something wrong with the spiritual channels of this earth.

BUT, I was raised mormon and have a bunch of weird, mixed up kinds of thoughts........


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Edited by upupup (12/19/02 06:37 AM)


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: upupup]
    #1297869 - 02/10/03 09:02 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

BUmpo, I wanna read this later, too tired now.

ISH


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: ]
    #1297979 - 02/10/03 09:51 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Max Headroom and LucidDreams are speaking my thoughts in a way that I was thus far unable to convey in written or spoken word.  The closer I come to being able to experience reality immediately instead of being distanced by thought loops, the more it feels like everything in this universe is an expression of my deepest feelings and thoughts.

On a side note, the future can never be known absolutely, therefore one should never worry about the worst.  When you don't know what could happen in relation to something in the future, I find it makes living most enjoyable when I stick with a story/prediction that gives me joy just thinking about it.  Even if it doesn't turn out, that's life.  Thing is, the future always surprises you.  Things are never the two extremes that you hope for and are fearful of, but always rest somewhere in the middle.

schmokin' weeed, schmokin' weeed! :tongue:


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1298139 - 02/10/03 11:59 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

we are all multi-dimensional beings.




Prove it!  :grin: 


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1299729 - 02/11/03 12:06 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

From 2003 to 2012, we will be smacked with wave after wave of conceiusness. (of course if your not control mindfully) If my theory is true, we will start assuming a very god like position in our realitys.

It can be a window and a door.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: GazzBut]
    #1299793 - 02/11/03 12:28 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

"Prove it!"

That's easy.

I am right here right now.

And right now I am right here.

Earlier I was over there.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1299904 - 02/11/03 01:02 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Ok, but if God can create the universe from basically nothing more than a divine thought, why are we no more able to manipulate matter after this realization than non-realized humans?




A zen master once said "Before I became enlightened, I was miserable. After I became enlightened I was still miserable.

Quote:


If we realize the oneness, why is there still pettiness? If I truly knew that you were me, then how could I possibly hurt you?





Perhaps god isn't the nice, friendly, loving entity you make him out to be, or perhaps God simply doesn't "think" like you, or perhaps our conciousness/life exists outside God allowing us to manipulate God.


Edited by Remy (02/11/03 01:36 PM)


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1299994 - 02/11/03 01:38 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

I think it's because psychedelics can be a window, but not a door.

Does this negate Aldous Huxley's take on psychedelics, "The Doors of Perception"?




I think the context he used that in meant "Psychedelics allow us a glimpse at reality outside of the physical world" whereas "Doors of Perception" means exactly the same thing.


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