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InvisibleSwami
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If we believe that we are God...
    #1149464 - 12/17/02 04:27 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

The following is a quote from a recent trip report and not untypical of other's feelings:

It started as a whisper in my ear. It started to tell me things using my brain as a conductor. 'It' was myself but at the same time the universe. I later came to realize that it was GOD. I then realized I was GOD- just like everyone else (they just don't know it).

If when tripping, one realizes that one is God, or at least a part of the Godhood, then why does one remain basically as powerless and subject to human foibles after this recognition?

Relationships are still just as muddled as proclaimed by McKenna.

Other than an occasional (questionable) report of telepathy, no Godlike powers are evidenced after this mini-enlightenment.

People are still disrespectful (even on the shroomery) and full of hate and violence, etc.

"A difference that makes no difference is no difference!"


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1149498 - 12/17/02 04:37 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

The perfect nature of God lies in potential. We all have the potential to become new, better people. This is what makes us "godly", in a way.

God isn't a powerful entity or anything like that, IMHO. God is whoever accomplishes all that can be accomplished, in the limits of the possible...


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1149499 - 12/17/02 04:37 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

If when tripping, one realizes that one is God, or at least a part of the Godhood, then why does one remain basically as powerless and subject to human foibles after this recognition?

ahh...to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be human

Other than an occasional (questionable) report of telepathy, no Godlike powers are evidenced after this mini-enlightenment.

Knowledge is power. You can gain the knowledge of exactly who you are, what it is you want to change about yourself, and why you want to change it. By changing yourself you are quite literally changing YOUR world.

People are still disrespectful (even on the shroomery) and full of hate and violence, etc.

Perhaps that is because God contains hate and violence. We are contained by that which we contain.

Relationships are still just as muddled as proclaimed by McKenna.

As you said no one receives telepathic abilities (well a few questionable reports), but certainly no one has gained permanent telepathic ablilities (unless they just aren't letting on, I know I wouldn't)


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1149500 - 12/17/02 04:37 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

We all have a divine nature. I personally view God in the Eastern view of the Atman, the all-that-is. We are all the same oneness and that oneness is divine in nature. If God is infinite, then he/she/it can't be separate from us, because that would place a barrier on God.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: silversoul7]
    #1149518 - 12/17/02 04:45 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, but if God can create the universe from basically nothing more than a divine thought, why are we no more able to manipulate matter after this realization than non-realized humans?

If we realize the oneness, why is there still pettiness? If I truly knew that you were me, then how could I possibly hurt you?


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1149548 - 12/17/02 05:00 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

If we realize the oneness, why is there still pettiness? If I truly knew that you were me, then how could I possibly hurt you?

Because we (the one) contain these things. We (the one) contain Love, Hate, Selfishness, Selflessness, Violence, Peace, Greed, Generosity, Pettiness, Grandness etc........


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1149553 - 12/17/02 05:03 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe because we are still contained in a material form, and only when released from this may we begin to learn how to "manipulate matter".


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1149580 - 12/17/02 05:12 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe because we are not God, there is no God, and the person who wrote that trip report was simply in a state of drug induced hysteria.

Maybe.  :smile:


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1149622 - 12/17/02 05:28 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

the closest description to god I've heard that I agree with (aside from the "god = existence" definition which I find to really erase the need for the word "god") is that all life combined = god


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1149659 - 12/17/02 05:42 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I think it's because psychedelics can be a window, but not a door. I'm drunk.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1149689 - 12/17/02 05:54 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

If when tripping, one realizes that one is God, or at least a part of the Godhood, then why does one remain basically as powerless and subject to human foibles after this recognition?

Because we are all still inside our physical bodies. God did not really 'create man' in a sense. The balance of the natural workings of the universe created our planet from gas and we came up from a long line of living things before we became human. God is the collective consiousness that is linked to all life throughout the megaverse and all dimensions.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1149735 - 12/17/02 06:09 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

simply because the state isn't sustainable. knowing, or having the experience, is not enough. as dr. mushmaster puts it.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1150414 - 12/18/02 12:54 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1150458 - 12/18/02 02:14 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, but if God can create the universe from basically nothing more than a divine thought, why are we no more able to manipulate matter after this realization than non-realized humans?

Who said we cant?
You think of walking and you walk, you think of slicing bread and you slice bread.
You think about creating a painting and you create.
We are extended forms of the creator and we each have been given a whole universe into itself to create in, create ourselfs - metaprogramming, and create artisticly.. Create with words and ideas, since sharing these gives us some sort of telepathy, i create a thought and share it, and if my creation was "good enough" (contained the appropiate data for you to descramble) my thought has been very magically transfered into you...
If you look around you most of what we as a western society live in are just ideas put into physical form, the computer, space ships, music, buidlings the list goes on forever..

I'm still dumdfounded of how many people dont see the magic that WE ARE..
Though i'm not really suggesting that you dont Swami.. :wink:

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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: LucidDreams]
    #1150549 - 12/18/02 04:03 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I'm still dumbfounded at how many people have severe reading comprehension skills...

You think of walking and you walk, you think of slicing bread and you slice bread.

Fine. Now let's ACTUALLY read my quote once again: "...why are we no more able to manipulate matter after this realization than non-realized humans?"

So, non-realized humans CANNOT walk? People who have never tripped CANNOT slice bread?

Of course they can! Where is the DIFFERENCE?



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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1150564 - 12/18/02 04:17 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

So, non-realized humans CANNOT walk? People who have never tripped CANNOT slice bread?

Those people are God, too, they just have not realized it yet.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: ]
    #1150568 - 12/18/02 04:21 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I think it's because psychedelics can be a window, but not a door.

Five shrooms for that quote. Thanks :laugh:

I'm drunk.

Then I'm wondering how wise you are when you are sober  :wink:

 


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Nomad]
    #1150589 - 12/18/02 04:31 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I think it's because psychedelics can be a window, but not a door.

Does this negate Aldous Huxley's take on psychedelics, "The Doors of Perception"?

Would the history of rock n' roll have been different if it was Jim Morrison and "The Windows"?



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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Nomad]
    #1150603 - 12/18/02 04:46 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i've never tripped and i do realize....You don't have to trip to realize that.....tripping might help you...but it is not necessary....(atleast not for me)


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1150606 - 12/18/02 04:51 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Hehe, i dont claim there is a difference really...
Well, there might be though..
When most people walk they dont "walk", they _think_...
Most people are in their minds and do the "robot-walking"...not in their _body_...
Catch my drift?
Kinda zen_style you know.. :wink:
I claim that every human on this entire planet has a power in themselfs that is enormous, the tiny difference between the "realized" (i dont think there is such a thing acctually) human and the non-realized is that one is aware and doing with the fullest attention..
Well, then you could claim that to be doing things by the fullest attetion you "wake up", and then you are all of the sudden not bound to ordinary space-time in the same manner you have been before..
You have deconditioned yourself from the lie imposed on us, you have woken up from the dream and becomen aware of that time is just an illusion, there is no such thing as time, just an infinite NOW, and this brings all kinds of beautiful things with it... :smile:
Like you start to notice the synchronic order of time... and that your thoughts manifest themselfs closer and closer to the actual happening of the "event"...
until there is no gap, just a perfect synchronated play with this thing that we live in..
And there you CAN learn to manipulate MATTER..
Just by sending out thoughts you acctually experience the manifestation of them right on...
The magic in the gap so to speak...
Or in the lovely words of Terence Mckenna: "The world is made out of language, and if you know the words that the world is made of you can do with it whatever you wish"
The above phrase has MANY applications and meanings...!!  :grin:
 


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: LucidDreams]
    #1150616 - 12/18/02 04:59 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I actually believe that psychedelics can be doors...

If you take a trip and then go about doing the same old robot-routine that you always do, you are quickly going to fall back into a "pattern" (karmic-patterns?)
I want to stress that the importance of the teachings of the psychedelics should be implemented into ordinary life in order to gain the most out of these experiences..
There is no ONE-way of doing these things
All roads lead to the same goal anyway... just do what gives you happyness, and gets your heart singing!
And dont compromise with your highest truth!





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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1150647 - 12/18/02 05:34 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Walking and slicing bread are skills that most people learn how to do.......a series of "steps".........one step following the other. In my experience, I seem to be able to connect the dots, or take certain steps in a rapid succession and it at times amazes people. To me I just see some things quicker than others. Maybe there are things that people can't do simply because we can't see the order of the steps to take to accomplish them......
Maybe if we were "all knowing" then nothing would be impossible.......provided that we follow the steps. The universe could open up for us like the tumblers in a combination lock................
If you believe the New Testament.....it says, now we know in part...........


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1150977 - 12/18/02 08:04 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Fragments of God separated from the whole to become entities, with self-imposed restrictions. These restrictions are of the same nature of physical laws, in that we cannot change them but the Whole can. The reason for the separations as well as restrictions is for gaining experience. The Whole wished to experience itself as separateness in order to experience more things simultaneously. The Whole, in turn, is infinite.

If everyone knew we were part of God with all its power, we would be too caught up in our own wonder to experience things such as pain and laughter. Perhaps at some point in "time" the entire nature of existence may change to something we cannot even at this point comprehend (ie., a totally different set of subatomic particles may come into existence from the ones we know and create something that we cannot even imagine. oops, there's those restrictions again). A whole other universe(s) with another set of rules.

I also believe personally that the reason for this is that God is still trying to come to grips with its own existence (that is us, as we are a part of it) and it's like a child playing with its imagination. As Infinity became aware of itself, it decided to set up this whole game we call the universe along with its rules. Yeah, this is some pretty deep stuff and not your typical Starbucks discussion. I hope you gather what I'm trying to get across to you.

Sorry if I don't reply to this thread soon, either. I'm actually leaving university right now to go home for winter break. I hope everyone has a happy holiday!  :smile: 


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: ]
    #1151173 - 12/18/02 09:39 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

The Whole wished to experience itself as separateness in order to experience more things simultaneously.

Which is why Van Gogh cut his ear off...


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1151331 - 12/18/02 10:32 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i figure its like vanilla sky, with us setting ourselves into these situations that relly only exist because we are experiencing them. i love vanilla sky :-)


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1151483 - 12/18/02 11:20 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

The Whole wished to experience itself as separateness in order to experience more things simultaneously.

Which is why Van Gogh cut his ear off...

Your a funny guy Swami.  You crack me up :laugh:


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: 3eyedgod]
    #1152189 - 12/18/02 03:25 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

My sole purpose in life is to amuse you. :smile: 


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1153009 - 12/18/02 09:02 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I didn't know vulcans cracked jokes.  :blush:


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Murex]
    #1153080 - 12/18/02 09:22 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Murex, we are all multi-dimensional beings. Never pidgeon-hole anyone. Never pretend to understand anyone. Everyone has more depth than anyone else can possibly imagine.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1153114 - 12/18/02 09:34 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

"Fine. Now let's ACTUALLY read my quote once again: "...why are we no more able to manipulate matter after this realization than non-realized humans?"'



because 95 % of humanity still believes matter manipulation to be impossible.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1153118 - 12/18/02 09:36 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

"we are all multi-dimensional beings. Never pidgeon-hole anyone. Never pretend to understand anyone. Everyone has more depth than anyone else can possibly imagine. "


That is a fantastic concept. I agree with it whole heartedly.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1153140 - 12/18/02 09:57 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, you really do know kundalani, don't you?

I have to masticate on this.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1153805 - 12/19/02 06:36 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I am in agreement with those that connect the fact that we still seem to mostly exsist on this plane and that is why we cannot "access" our "god" powers, as such.....

I think that this planet has some kind of "shield" around it that makes things normally accessable to the rest of the universal population unaccessable to our planetary population. In other words there is something wrong with the spiritual channels of this earth.

BUT, I was raised mormon and have a bunch of weird, mixed up kinds of thoughts........


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: upupup]
    #1297869 - 02/10/03 09:02 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

BUmpo, I wanna read this later, too tired now.

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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: ]
    #1297979 - 02/10/03 09:51 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Max Headroom and LucidDreams are speaking my thoughts in a way that I was thus far unable to convey in written or spoken word.  The closer I come to being able to experience reality immediately instead of being distanced by thought loops, the more it feels like everything in this universe is an expression of my deepest feelings and thoughts.

On a side note, the future can never be known absolutely, therefore one should never worry about the worst.  When you don't know what could happen in relation to something in the future, I find it makes living most enjoyable when I stick with a story/prediction that gives me joy just thinking about it.  Even if it doesn't turn out, that's life.  Thing is, the future always surprises you.  Things are never the two extremes that you hope for and are fearful of, but always rest somewhere in the middle.

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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1298139 - 02/10/03 11:59 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

we are all multi-dimensional beings.




Prove it!  :grin: 


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1299729 - 02/11/03 12:06 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

From 2003 to 2012, we will be smacked with wave after wave of conceiusness. (of course if your not control mindfully) If my theory is true, we will start assuming a very god like position in our realitys.

It can be a window and a door.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: GazzBut]
    #1299793 - 02/11/03 12:28 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

"Prove it!"

That's easy.

I am right here right now.

And right now I am right here.

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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1299904 - 02/11/03 01:02 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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Ok, but if God can create the universe from basically nothing more than a divine thought, why are we no more able to manipulate matter after this realization than non-realized humans?




A zen master once said "Before I became enlightened, I was miserable. After I became enlightened I was still miserable.

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If we realize the oneness, why is there still pettiness? If I truly knew that you were me, then how could I possibly hurt you?





Perhaps god isn't the nice, friendly, loving entity you make him out to be, or perhaps God simply doesn't "think" like you, or perhaps our conciousness/life exists outside God allowing us to manipulate God.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1299994 - 02/11/03 01:38 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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I think it's because psychedelics can be a window, but not a door.

Does this negate Aldous Huxley's take on psychedelics, "The Doors of Perception"?




I think the context he used that in meant "Psychedelics allow us a glimpse at reality outside of the physical world" whereas "Doors of Perception" means exactly the same thing.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: LucidDreams]
    #1300343 - 02/11/03 04:29 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe its because god wasn't a human when he created the universe, and although the knowledge of god being inside us, we do not have the knowledge OF god, only the knowledge stored in the subconscious. I'm sure god had to learn how to create the universe just as we learn about our source, Earth.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: DrubuShrume]
    #1300710 - 02/11/03 07:25 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, we help God/Creation to constantly evolve the universe through our collective experiences.


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    #1300934 - 02/11/03 09:54 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah power to the drug users!!  :grin: 


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1301076 - 02/11/03 11:56 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

From 2003 to 2012, we will be smacked with wave after wave of conceiusness. (of course if your not control mindfully) If my theory is true, we will start assuming a very god like position in our realitys.

Can you explain what you mean a little more?


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1301080 - 02/12/03 12:00 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I was just kidding by the way. I understand what you mean.  :smirk: 


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    #1302152 - 02/12/03 10:57 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Im talking about god's power's

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum11&Number=1231174&page=4&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

I guess the difference in a person understanding the end of times, is that any fighting( resistance of anything other than control ) will only equal fighting. Perhaps be humble(like a modern day, gadi, jesus of nazerieth??), follow the mind's eye, and it will set you free.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1302297 - 02/12/03 11:44 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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follow the mind's eye, and it will set you free.



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    #1303198 - 02/12/03 05:40 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

indeed


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1305460 - 02/13/03 12:16 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I just had a shocking realization about this topic last night that came out of nowhere. With everything being one being, one entity, ie. God, Prime Creator, etc; that means that it/you/I are operating everything in existence at once, but we don't yet know it because that much knowledge would destroy us. What I mean is, if you were to become aware that YOU are also EVERY other thing/person, and YOU are actually thinking/doing EVERYTHING that those entities are thinking/doing, THIS WOULD DRIVE A HUMAN COMPLETELY MAD. And I have a feeling quite a few residents of your local mental institution are aware of this. That's why there is a feeling of separateness, as we can only handle operating one entity at a time (our "selves"). Everything else we are being, we are being at a completely unconscious level. So the process of spiritual evolution includes literally "expanding" our consciousness to include more of existence, and operating more completely as One.

This was the most mindblowing thing I've ever thought while sober. Sadly this won't be announced on CNN Headline News.  :crazy: 


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    #1305485 - 02/13/03 12:25 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

oooo, very good point. i'll have to meditate on this.
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    #1305548 - 02/13/03 12:51 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I don't see it like that....

I feel we're all just PART of this thing. Kinda like how a liver is part of our body, and how a molecule is part of that liver, and how an atom is part of that molecule, and an electron is part of that atom, and a quark is part of that electron and so on and so on.......


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Strumpling]
    #1305832 - 02/13/03 02:49 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

i thought about this subject a lot, and i think god is controlling some species lower than you. I mean, we control when the cows on the meat farm are born, fed, where they go, and when they die, aren't we playing god with animals we produce for food? God has control over what happens, and if you can gain that control, your a god in a sense. Thats only my opinion of course, but i also consider myself an atheist and think i don't need religion cause i have a concious that tells me whats right and wrong.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1305845 - 02/13/03 02:54 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

When will you guyz realize that theres no god.

Anyway if theres one ill go to heaven wathever i do, cause god pardon everyone.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: djurg]
    #1306032 - 02/13/03 04:08 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Can you elaborate on your point of view?

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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: ISH]
    #1306076 - 02/13/03 04:35 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

The reason why i don't believe in god, is that if there was a being with such incredible intelligence and power to create a whole world and all this life, and give us free will, then why would he tell us we have to spend all sunday every sunday worshipping him? I just think that if there was a god he would be a little more humble than that.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: CockyMandrill]
    #1306082 - 02/13/03 04:40 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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The reason why i don't believe in god, is that if there was a being with such incredible intelligence and power to create a whole world and all this life, and give us free will, then why would he tell us we have to spend all sunday every sunday worshipping him? I just think that if there was a god he would be a little more humble than that




Your worldview and ideas of god are extremely limited. This world is but a small insect, on a branch of the smallest tree, in an infinite forest of much larger trees. God never said anyone should worship "him" on sunday's. Christianity did not invent God, and he is not exclusive to christianity. Many deny the existence of God, because they are limited to what they are told about God, which is typically a load of shit, with a corn of truth hidden somewhere inside.


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    #1306100 - 02/13/03 04:50 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

If you believe in evolution then you would know we all evolved from the same thing..every damn thing in this universe came from something and that something from something else..it keeps going on like that until you come to the point of the very first creation...........god, or the basis for creation...the atom of the atom of the atom of the atom, etc...


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1306167 - 02/13/03 05:16 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Really good question. Seriously good question.
I just finished a 600+ page book called 'Mysticism: Experience, Response and Empowerment,' by Hollenback. A University of Pennsylvania publication that I disagreed with in part because he lumped astral projection and psi functions, as well as non-universal forms of religious experience (i.e., Black Elk's visions) together under the rubric 'mysticism.' [It's a good thing that Edward R. Hamilton, Bookseller, can sell a $99.00 text for $15.00!]

Ken Wilber modernizes an ancient Gnostic system of classification in a way that separates 3 realms of experience. That realm which he calls "Intermediate" is what Gnostics used to call 'psychic.' Spiritual experiences belong to a further realm. The point is that a preponderance of so-called 'religious experiences' actually belong to this intermediary or psychic realm, not a truly spiritual or pneumatic realm. Indeed, Radical changes across the intrapsychic board (morality, intellect, intuition, sometimes psi functions, faith) do result from genuine religious - spiritual - experience.

In the 1970's, and always under LSD, I had what parapsychologists call "Ring-like-a-bell-in-the-head" telepathy. On a couple of occasions, recognzing that I was 'hearing' someone's words in my mind, without the sensation of my ears (they weren't speaking), I repeated what I 'heard' and witnessed jaw-dropping fear from those individuals. In situations with strangers who would never have spoken aloud what I 'heard' in my mind, I kept my mouth shut. These experiences had nothing to do with any concommitant increase in compassion, or morality, or faith. The point being, that 'psychic' experiences are certainly of a different order than 'physical' sensory experiences, but they are far removed from the kind of 'spiritual' experiences that change all those dimensions that one would expect from a truly religious experience. Those kinds of experiences changed me into the strange creation that you meet through these posts. I was quite different before the spiritual realm entered into my rather materialistic psyche.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: shaggy101]
    #1307371 - 02/14/03 07:16 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

oh sorry man didn't mean to be rude, i don't know what will happen i can only guess, but its true to me though.


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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1307398 - 02/14/03 07:27 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I was just thinking about something kida wierd... excuse me if this doesn't really fit into the converstion!

When I started smoking weed & drinking, I used to think that I was going to hell because I was doing all kinds of bad shit.  But, when I tripped for the first time I started thinking about things in a was that I never had before.  Now, I kind of think that if there is a God he is the one that put the drugs on the earth & that he either inteded us to use them or they are supposed to be a temptation that we are not supposed to fall for.  But the way I thought of it was that he gave us these things to use to broaden our thoughts... to open our minds & to think beyond our wildest imagination & think of things you might never think of in a sober state! 

Does anyone think thismakes sense or am I just rambling about nothing?  :crazy: 


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    #1307690 - 02/14/03 10:18 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

not to mention that some of us who experience jaw-dropping psychic phenomenon just can't let it be, like a real bad itch that you can't stop scratching, it definitely holds no transformational value and ultimately leads one to waste valuable time - i've experienced psychic phenomenon so astounding that once outside of that state of consciousness i find myself no longer awed and instead of fascination experience more irritation and paranoia, exc... one might get more than they bargained for when exploring or accidentally uncovering astral states.



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Re: If we believe that we are God... [Re: Swami]
    #1308109 - 02/14/03 01:45 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Well, for the sake of argument? I'm not convinced God's got it all together. I mean, just look at this place...

Most of the old mythical gods, like the Greek pantheon or good ol' Yahweh, were quite limited in their powers and very much "subject to human foibles." And any realistic modern understanding of what 'God' might be has to integrate the fact that there's more chaos than order out there.

Assume they're onto something and not just daydreaming. So, we are all more than what we think we are, and each a linked part of the mind of God. If so, most of the world is oblivious to this. If a small fringe really was 'waking up' to something more, it's not going to do them any good since "God's" 6 billion other brain cells are disconnected and idle. Whether it's true or not, it's not like there's any realistic way you can act on it afterwards. We'd tell them they're nuts and lock them up.

Finally, I think this cliche of "I saw God;" "I was God;" "We are all God;" "We are the eggmen; I am the Walrus..." or whatever is not meant literally. It's just a way of describing a mode of brain functioning and a kind of perception/undertanding that is very different from what we are used to. As different from normal tripping consciousness as that is from sobriety... If you've been there, you know it. But you can't necessarily bring it back from a memory.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure it's an illusion. But I'm just as sure that whatever most of us think we 'are' and believe we 'can' do, in our normal daily life, is just as illusory. Maybe more so...?


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    #1308604 - 02/14/03 06:06 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yup. You said it.


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