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 GRTUD
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 Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore...  [Re: Crasher]
#318936 - 05/16/01 09:47 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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On the geneology question, I'm not totally sure about this one but I will try. In Hebrew culture, a family's (especially a man's) lineage was like a resume. Even though Jesus was begotten, not made, Joseph's lineage was still important since it would have seemed less plausable to have the Son of God living with bums. In those days if someone told you,for instance, about a great stone mason or carpenter, one of your first questions would have been about that persons father and grandfather and so on. It was as if you were only as good as your direct descendents. Joseph's geneology was added at some point to the New Testament in some versions, as further proof of the Holy Family's "good stock" lineage. Today, most of us would be in trouble if this were a common practice and it goes to show how our lives aren't the sole property of us. Our legecy could affect our children and grandchildren. Just something to think about.
Original sin is one of the most misunderstood themes in the Bible. Sin in the Old Testament was defined as "missing the mark". This Original Sin, was an explanation of our condition as human evolving from a child into adult and so one. All humans left the Garden and went on their journey into the Desert. These metaphores described the role of labor and pain in our lives as we strive to achieve a permanent spiritual existence. As a creature with instints we are programmed by nature and mostly these instints protect us and enable us to survive but the idea of the Lion laying with the Lamb foretold that when we eat or drink we sustain only our physical lives and not necessarily our spiritual lives. We can miss the mark by forgetting that we are really spiritual and that we will die some day regardless of how well we do as animals. Many people still forget this idea and only think about the material world. In the New Testament, this idea was built upon with the act of Baptism where as we perform an act of being blessed with water which signifies a mock death and rebirth imitating the Earth itself as it goes through floods and the imminent Wake of the Flood which is a time for planting and rebirth. Imagine eating and never being hungry again or drinking and never being thirsty again. That is kind of what a spiritual birth is like. Original Sin is more like Original Birth into a spiritual life. The Old Testament writers used the most dramatic type writing and metaphors they could to get peoples' attention, they also saw God as punishing and threatening. One way to weigh what their motives and influences were is to know that they were anonymous and did not sell their work or make a living preaching or attracting followers. They were much like we are now, here sharing what they felt and experienced from the powers they were encountering. They were the original psychonauts.
Edited by GRTUD on 05/17/01 08:58 PM.
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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: plague member]
#320635 - 05/19/01 12:21 AM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's odd, the last time I checked, the sun is in the sky for a good 12 hours a day.
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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: Crasher]
#320639 - 05/19/01 12:26 AM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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Firewolf, I doubt anyone can answer your questions about the Bible. Partly because the bible contradicts itself so many times it's not even funny.
The fact is, is 80% of the shit in the bible is bullshit, because it was not written by "GOD". The bible was written by judgemental and some power hungry humans. A lot is in there for intimidation purposes.
You can try, but asking those kinds of questions to Christians will usually get you nowehere. They will either tell you you are going to burn in hell and you need to repent, or not to blaspheme to Bible, or they will just ignore you.
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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: plague member]
#8273958 - 04/12/08 02:03 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Because God is very very very shy.
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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: yourdouyolayola]
#8274320 - 04/12/08 03:17 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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It happened shortly after people found out the world was round
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The world itself is the will to power - and nothing else! And you yourself are the will to power - and nothing else! ~Friedrich Nietzsche
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Gomp
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 Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: plague member]
#8274400 - 04/12/08 03:38 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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You deem God, a "he"... Thus, you would not see God, even if God was your face...
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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: Gomp]
#8274574 - 04/12/08 04:28 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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god doesn't live "up there". he dwells in all of us.
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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: GRTUD]
#8274863 - 04/12/08 06:19 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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For those being saved He does reveal Himself. The Holy Spirit must bring the person into the truth with power. The Word is opened and understood and the new birth happens. All these things are given to His people.
Original sin and "free will".
GRTUD has made various statements on these topics. First off unregenerate man has no "free will". The Bible declares all as spiritually dead, with no ability for spiritual understanding. Man is naturally opposed to God's truth as his mind is bound and he is born dead due to original sin. This is why someone must be "born again". In due time all those that God intends to save will be converted by coming under the hearing of the gospel and the Spirit will apply it and the new birth happens.
Original sin is both a corrupted nature, but it is also to be declared condemned by imputation of the first transgression.
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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: Crasher]
#8275726 - 04/12/08 10:32 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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i acknowledge that you did stumble upon deep thought, just try to refine it a bit next time.
I like the fact your aware there are a shitload of other planets And solar systems out there, oh and if you achieve cosmic conscious, it feels like you don't need a spaceship to be "out there" in space, you and everything else are just one 
However the idea that a God just tends to different planets and people and can just leave ours when he gets bored makes it sound like a hollywood story for a force that probly does not have an ego or personality at all, therefore cannot ever be bored. Linear way of thinking about a God, but don't get discouraged.
keep thinking.
There IS a force at work.
You have to find the right door to open.
when it opens, breathing will be pleasurable, and easier than ever. You will see things differently, and get alot more out of life than most.
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VisualLearner
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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: cheezeits]
#8275755 - 04/12/08 10:39 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have not read any of the thread but watch the videos pt 1 and 2. It is a doctor talking about the mind, "god", and alot of other things that most people have far out misconceptions of.... just check it out
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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: VisualLearner]
#8276536 - 04/13/08 02:54 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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God is a convenient, three letter word. A place holder name for otherwise varying lengthy and ambiguous descriptions.
It is the height of arrogance and or control, that man create/d "God" in their own image, whether to "manipulate masses" or for their own self/ego driven motives...
Why "God" (convenient name) doesn't reveal "himself" (this writers personification) to us (those deemed sane enough for credible accounts) anymore (now in increasing godlessness)?
I would like to ask, what would be deemed as a significant, revelation?
I have seen many strange and wondrous things in life and daily occurrences of the mundane miracle...this could indicate the existence of God...
But...????
What are you looking for...what great revealing do you need as proof?
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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: cheezeits]
#8276615 - 04/13/08 04:21 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
DjLaureate said:
i acknowledge that you did stumble upon deep thought, just try to refine it a bit next time.
You are replying to someone who posted that seven years ago. Don't wait up for a response.
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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: fireworks_god]
#8276921 - 04/13/08 08:56 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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fireworks, your man is no good. i saw him at the tittie bar getting lap dances. lets run away together
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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: fireworks_god]
#8276948 - 04/13/08 09:11 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
fireworks_god said:
Quote:
DjLaureate said:
i acknowledge that you did stumble upon deep thought, just try to refine it a bit next time.
You are replying to someone who posted that seven years ago. Don't wait up for a response.
There is hope for old topics. I thought all our ideas were just relegated to the graveyard.
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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: eve69]
#8276963 - 04/13/08 09:18 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like the topic though. My personal quest since I was young was to get to know God/dess or his/her facsimile, and to that end I have lived like a visionary. It is true that I sacificed much in terms of material gain and success to live true. I pretty much feel I have lived up and found what I was looking for. So my opinion is that quest for truth and honest living will pan out for all who so search.... IE, it is not a waste of time....
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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: plague member]
#8276975 - 04/13/08 09:24 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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plague member said:
Well tripping Ive discovered two things: 1-rain is awsome
<br>2- The reason God never comes around anymore is cause he's lost all
<br>interest in us. At first we were new and excitin' to him, after +2000yrs
<br>he doesnt like what we've become and has probably moved on to anther
<br>solar system, some other planet t see if things are different with them.
<br>Which also answers the 'are we alone?' question...
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<br>just my 0.02$
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Your two cents isn't worth it IMO. Have you ever considered the fact that non existent beings have never revealed themselves.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: Icelander]
#8277239 - 04/13/08 11:16 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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'if God was your face...'
If?? Is he/she/it not??
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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: backfromthedead]
#8277248 - 04/13/08 11:19 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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pemp quit juicing up these hos
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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: johansojack]
#8277266 - 04/13/08 11:26 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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'you'll know one day when its too late'
Those ain't my words, dawg.
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Re: Why God doesn't reveal himself anymore... [Re: backfromthedead]
#8277274 - 04/13/08 11:29 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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so you're saying you delineate from my thought flow eh. I shall destroy you hippy
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