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The choice is in responding to the trigger.
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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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"one of the could have influenced the bible"
Influence does not mean the great flood was fact. Human beings influenced the Bible because they existed, but that does not mean it is historical fact. Earlier you declared the Bible to be documented historical fact. It is myth and is not meant to stand as history.
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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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 Re: why christianity is bullshit  [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4400436 - 07/13/05 05:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The choice is in responding to the trigger.
how do you know that you chose to respond and not respond automatically?
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MarkostheGnostic
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 Re: why christianity is bullshit [Re: Phluck]
#4400482 - 07/13/05 06:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The personality of Jesus that can be gleaned from the NT as a whole, suggests a profoundly loving person. Such an individual would be humble inasmuch as love is selfless, (vs. selfish), attentive-to-the-other in the sense of being fully present to another and highly aware in that relationship. All of these dynamics are opposite of the poor listener, the egotist and egoist who literally says: "Enough about you - let's talk about ME."
It is not about whether Jesus was so "good and pure" in some culturally-defined etiquette sense. A holy man in any tradition guards against something as blatant as arrogance. Pride was the 'primal sin' of Lucifer in myth and Jesus knew that most assuredly. Give the Man some credit will ya?
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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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Icelander
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then stop expecting people to be consistant with Jesus, it will be a lot easier to accept christianity. The only reason they don't folow his words is because they can't, the simply are not able.
Well I do accept Christanity. What I don't want to be forced into, is living in this country by their rules. Christanity is being used to oppress people here. And around the world.
This happens with many religions. That's why I personally have no use for them. 
what do you mean? what rules are those?
Like making abortion illegal. Forcing prayer in church. The religious right has power in this country Old. It's a continual battlel to stop them using their distorted beliefs to govern this country.
And in other countries the Pope says no to birth control. That's his rule. Or abortion. ect. ect. ect.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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what do you mean? what rules are those?
I would add censorship, laws against same-sex marriage, disallowing government/employment benefits for same-sex AND opposite sex unmarried partners, discrimination against homosexuals, "In God We Trust" printed on our paper money, "One Nation Under God" in our Pledge of Allegiance...I could go on!
The separation of church and state is fatally compromised.
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Re: why christianity is bullshit [Re: Icelander]
#4400984 - 07/13/05 08:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Like making abortion illegal. Forcing prayer in church. The religious right has power in this country Old. It's a continual battlel to stop them using their distorted beliefs to govern this country."
In this country abortion is legal, but why would someone go to church and object to praying?(I am puzzled here) In the end no one is making you follow any religiously oriented rules....I have a feeling that this could not be done even if it were law...so why worry? Yes there are many battles about what should or should not be legal, but is that not what a democracy is about? Everybody has their say...right or wrong. These are good resons we should be politically active no matter what our views on government. As far as the Pope goes...I am not Catholic so I could care less what they do....but those people in third world nations you refer to choose to be Catholic...and many are quite militant about it.
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Re: why christianity is bullshit [Re: Icelander]
#4400988 - 07/13/05 08:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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then stop expecting people to be consistant with Jesus, it will be a lot easier to accept christianity. The only reason they don't folow his words is because they can't, the simply are not able.
Well I do accept Christanity. What I don't want to be forced into, is living in this country by their rules. Christanity is being used to oppress people here. And around the world.
This happens with many religions. That's why I personally have no use for them.
what do you mean? what rules are those?
Like making abortion illegal. Forcing prayer in church. The religious right has power in this country Old. It's a continual battlel to stop them using their distorted beliefs to govern this country.
And in other countries the Pope says no to birth control. That's his rule. Or abortion. ect. ect. ect.
forcing prayer in church?  why do you go to church in the first place?
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Icelander
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OOps I meant school   Kind of below par today.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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OldWoodSpecter
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Re: why christianity is bullshit [Re: Veritas]
#4401002 - 07/13/05 08:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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what do you mean? what rules are those?
I would add censorship, laws against same-sex marriage, disallowing government/employment benefits for same-sex AND opposite sex unmarried partners, discrimination against homosexuals, "In God We Trust" printed on our paper money, "One Nation Under God" in our Pledge of Allegiance...I could go on!
The separation of church and state is fatally compromised.
Ok, as for homosexual issues, that goes beyond religion, people simply don't like them, so they cause a lot of problems to them, that will pass.
But are you really damaged by what is writen on money?
So the guy printing money trusts in god, so what?
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Veritas
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We are talking about rules imposed by religious believers. In the US money is not "legal tender" unless it is imprinted with a religious sentiment. And the Pledge of Allegiance, which is meant to involve political loyalty, includes a religious pledge as well.
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OldWoodSpecter
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Re: why christianity is bullshit [Re: Veritas]
#4401050 - 07/13/05 08:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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so what, it's just words, a formality, it means nothing
I bet that most people when they pledge don't even think about the meaning of the words, they just try to remember how it goes and get it over with. It's like sorting paperwork.
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I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine
Edited by OldWoodSpecter (07/13/05 08:33 PM)
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Icelander
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Wrong! It means lots. It's propaganda. And how about addressing the other issues here. If you don't think that the main thrust behind abortion issues isn't religious then you just don't have enough information.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: why christianity is bullshit [Re: Icelander]
#4401116 - 07/13/05 08:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was talking about homosexuality , not abortion
And propaganda works if you let it work. The country was founded on christian tradition. Should it throw away its roots just for the sake of some rebelious act against religions?
The real question is, why does it bother you?
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Icelander
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I can't be more clear on this then I have already been. This country was not founded on a christian tradition IMO. It was founded on seperation between church and state. And I am talking about abortion. I brought it up and you never addressed it.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: why christianity is bullshit [Re: Icelander]
#4401195 - 07/13/05 09:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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ok then let's talk about abortion..
It is a conflict of two opinions regarding the subject. Naturally, those with higher power push their opinion to be the dominant one.
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Icelander
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Right!
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: why christianity is bullshit [Re: Icelander]
#4401265 - 07/13/05 09:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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wow, that was over quick
come, on let's see those fists, I'm not satisfied yet, punch me, punch me!!
 
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Icelander
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Na! I'm sick remember. You have me at a disadvantage. I know you Old, you win by outlasting your opponents. I can't compete today. You win.  
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: why christianity is bullshit [Re: Icelander]
#4401297 - 07/13/05 09:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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yea that is exactly what I do, I'm busted, but I have another sicret technique, observe me closely in the future 
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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine
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