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Anonymous

God Was Wrong
    #1170105 - 12/25/02 05:36 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

This is effectively what the Christian Right anti-drug are saying.

God was wrong to make psychadelic mushrooms.
God was wrong to make marijuana.
God was wrong to make opium poppies.
God was wrong to make coca.
Most of all, God was wrong when he made our brains produce DMT.

Sounds to me like even those "dedicated" to Christianity don't belive in their god.


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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: Anonymous]
    #1170199 - 12/25/02 06:33 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Stonedfish was wrong.  He should've posted this in the spirituality forum.  But you bring up good points, I agree, God was wrong, Lets kill God.    :smirk:


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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: Anonymous]
    #1170480 - 12/25/02 09:27 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I thought God was perfect, thats what makes him immortal. He created Adam to be immortal because he was perfect. He sinned by eating the apple, that made him inperfect.

Jesus was perfect. He is immortal.

Sorry, I was just preached to from one of those Jahova's witnesses.


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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: Anonymous]
    #1170494 - 12/25/02 09:51 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I still love God for inventing sodomy.


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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: Anonymous]
    #1170518 - 12/25/02 10:46 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

The religious right is a political force!

The're also really annoying, especially to a dope smokin, shroom muching freak like me, because I'm fairly seriously christian in my beliefs.

And, yeah, God made the stuff near as I can tell. Those religious righters are fucked with a capitol F man. Don't listen to those idiots.

The God described in the new testament was nothing like that. Believe me, I've actually read the thing.

If Jesus was here now the way he was 2000 years ago I'm sure they'd wanna crucify him.



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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: Anonymous]
    #1170646 - 12/26/02 03:17 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

God gave man free will for a reason, I think it's unchristian to try to undo that.

All morality enforcement seem unchristian to me. Isn't the whole point to get people to submit of their own free will.


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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1170705 - 12/26/02 04:49 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

All morality enforcement seem unchristian to me. Isn't the whole point to get people to submit of their own free will.



EXACTLY. Otherwise a choice to behave in a certain manner is merely to avoid getting in trouble with the law, not because it is the right way to behave.


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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: Evolving]
    #1170719 - 12/26/02 05:05 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

American Christians are just lazy, and want to let the government do the job that they were commanded to do for them.

I suppose that frees up more time for feeling righteous.  :confused:


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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1170813 - 12/26/02 06:28 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

****I suppose that frees up more time for feeling righteous****

you don't know how right you are...


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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: Anonymous]
    #1170829 - 12/26/02 06:37 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I am curious to see Rail_Guns response, since he is the resident Christian.


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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: Skikid16]
    #1170858 - 12/26/02 07:01 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

On a side note, I couldn't decide whether or not to post this in Spirituality or Political. I posted it here because, last night, I was more angered at the anti-drug propoganda that I was being fed on Christmas. But now that I think about it, this is the wrong forum.

Edit: Thanks to the mod who moved this thread.


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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: Rono]
    #1170861 - 12/26/02 07:05 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I'm a christian as well, however many here confuse religion with christianity...religion is the worst thing that has happened to christianity.  I was born Catholic, so you see my distress :smirk:


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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1170901 - 12/26/02 07:47 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I take it you don't run around with a jesus fish on your asshole then.


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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: Anonymous]
    #1170996 - 12/26/02 08:31 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Sounds more to me that you can't discern 'sheep' from 'wolves in sheep's clothing.' I've been a Christian since at least 1976 when I received Baptism, but certainly the real inner change occurred before that. All the plants you named are also psychoactive drugs, most of which belong in the hands of ethical and educated medical practitioners. Psychedelics, on the other hand, have little 'medical' application, unless one is talking about an enlightened psychiatrist like Stan Grof. Psychedelics are better utilized by philosophers, theologians, psychologists, artists, and practically any discipline other than medicine, at this time.

I'm also an Master Addictions Counselor, certified by the National Board of Certified Counselors, and I've seen nothing but wasted lives, crime and death by the average person addicted to opiates, cocaine and yes, even cannabis, which I used between 1969 and 1980.

So you see,"God" and "wrong" cannot be used intelligently in the seme sentence. God is Reality and the Source of existence. We, as created, are imperfect in all domains: physical, mental, moral, emotional, social, etc., because creation is 'other than' the Creator, Who is characterized by perfection.

I recommend you simply ask around to learn that there are people who 'call' themselves Christian, and those who 'are'. There are also intelligent and stupid versions of both of those categories, so you'll have to learn how to discern. Of course, 'discernment' is itself a 'spiritual gift' given to actual Christians, and since you are obviously not a Christian, you are likely to be deceived and to form opinions based on Christian-colored political movements like the Christian Right, who merely are into the status quo, are not seekers, or Christian mystics. If you want to Know what Christians are like, you must go to the Source, Who is Christ.


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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1171050 - 12/26/02 09:05 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

If God were real, he'd tell you that you're wrong, Markos.

Seriously though... I'm going to write a "Heteroabsolutist's Guide to the Bible". It'll tie in Zen, Joseph Campbell, and Nietzsche. A nice little package for all the literalists out there. God is zen. Heaven and Hell are states of mind. The crucifixion is a metaphor for the experience of ego loss. Ask yourself this: How come Jesus gave doubting Thomas mad props? The story of water into wine was a metaphor for livening up a party. The story of feeding 5,000 with a few fish and a few loaves of bread makes more sense if the fish and bread are metaphors for knowledge.

I can do this all day long.
Why do feel it necessary to cling to charlatans' literal translations of a spiritual guide of such beautiful analogies? Seriously... I'll "pray" for you...


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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: Sclorch]
    #1171082 - 12/26/02 09:38 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Sclorch, I can't wait to read that. It sounds very promising.

Good luck!


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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: Sclorch]
    #1171088 - 12/26/02 09:46 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Nice, nice. I wish you'd really write that.. I'd love to read it.


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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: Anonymous]
    #1171093 - 12/26/02 09:49 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I dont believe there is a God.

I feel mankind is "wrong."


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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: Strumpling]
    #1171177 - 12/26/02 10:59 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Hell, you think God was "right" to have created the datura plant?

Some mushrooms will cause a slow and painful death if eaten. We should never use the "God created it, so it's good" argument to justify drug use, or anything else for that matter.


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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: Meph]
    #1171336 - 12/26/02 01:14 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

He was definitely wrong to hang our extremely sensitive testicles outside the body where every low-hanging protusion or irate girlfriend has the potential to double us over in racking pain.

Very f-u-n-n-y, God!


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