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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: Frog]
#2232538 - 01/09/04 11:48 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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In case you didn't know, Markos is a PhD.
He is brilliant.
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Frog
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: ]
#2232564 - 01/10/04 12:01 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like reading Markos' posts. I just don't usually have anything to add to them, because they pretty much say everything that needs to be said.
-------------------- The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire. -Teilard
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MarkostheGnostic
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: ]
#2233380 - 01/10/04 02:48 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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These quotes are from the first pages of the VERY FIRST book I ever read, which is titled 'We Look and See' by William S. Gray, A. Sterl Artley, May Hill Arbuthnot, and illustrated by Eleanor Campbell. Scott, Foresman and Company, NY, 1951.
Look "Look, look." "Oh, oh, oh." "Oh, oh. Oh, look."
Jane "Oh, Jane. Look, Jane, look." "Look, look. See. Jane." "See, see. See Jane. Oh, see Jane."
Dick "Look, Jane. Look, look. See Dick." "see, see. Oh, see. See Dick." "Oh, see Dick. Oh, oh, oh. Funny, funny Dick."
Some things never change. I've spent my whole life trying to get 'Jane' to see dick, and say "Oh, oh, oh [!]" It all began here. But thanks for the accolades - I just wanted to illustrate the generating force and origin of all this high brow stuff.
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#2233694 - 01/10/04 06:03 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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brilliant!
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gnrm23
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: Positronius]
#2236546 - 01/12/04 06:24 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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oh oh Oh OH OOOHHHH !!!!!!!!! (was it good for you?)
-------------------- old enough to know better not old enough to care
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JacquesCousteau
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in convertin [Re: gnrm23]
#2237748 - 01/12/04 07:28 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a strange spiritual position in life.. I was raised by a non-practicing mother (technically christian at one point in life, but I wouldn't call her that these days) and a "born again christian" father.
My parents divorced when I was like 7, and until I was about 16, my father attempted to make me a practicing christian. I didn't like having it "forced on me" and I didn't understand. I didn't GET what it was that these people around me felt. I was not receiving the god-rays, so to speak.
Eventually I completely stopped attending church, because I didn't like faking it. I wasn't feeling anything, so why should I go?
The result of all this is my current status.. best described as "a Christian without the support of a god". I do what I feel is right, as often as possible.. I'm very moral, and I have a very good sense of right and wrong.
There is nothing so strenuous as to always feel that you are giving, but not receiving.
Sorry, this is mostly just rambling.. I'm kinda confused spiritually, as I feel that SOMETHING is there, somewhere.. I just don't know what or where. I can't find it.
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scarywindow
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in convertin [Re: daba]
#2238066 - 01/12/04 10:18 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Religion has absolutely nothing to do with a person's walk with God. Just my humble input.
Edited by scarywindow (01/12/04 10:29 PM)
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TODAY
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#2238126 - 01/12/04 10:48 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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it strikes me as odd that such a smart man (markosthegnostic) can believe and have faith with the only evidence backing his faith being scribed in a book written thousands of years ago.
what's god's reason for taking one of my best friends (the nicest, coolest, and happiest guy i've ever known) away from his family and friends at the age of 18?? why does god let these bad things happen for no reason (i'd like you to come up with a reason because i can't)??
these things just seem to be evidence contradicting the existence of a compassionate and loving god. but alas, i can't believe either way because i see no proof in either. blind faith and rejection of faith based on no sensory evidence are one in the same i guess, it just depends on which side you lie.
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TODAY
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: ]
#2238132 - 01/12/04 10:52 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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another question...who created god? god was just ALWAYS around?? i don't understand how this works. this sounds like the easy way of explaining the unexplainable.
-------------------- ca'rouse (k-rouz) intr.v. To engage in boisterous, drunken merrymaking.
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fireworks_god
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: TODAY]
#2238512 - 01/13/04 05:41 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
TODAY said: what's god's reason for taking one of my best friends (the nicest, coolest, and happiest guy i've ever known) away from his family and friends at the age of 18?? why does god let these bad things happen for no reason (i'd like you to come up with a reason because i can't)??
I don't see God interacting with the ebb and flow of life.. I see God as BEING the ebb and flow of life. Life equals God, sort of. The entire structure is God. I see the archetype of some entity who is consciously in charge of life and causing things to happen or not happen is a little bit outdated... life goes on. Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: TODAY]
#2238782 - 01/13/04 09:52 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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IMO, If there is a god, he is either:
The biggest bastard in history for letting everything from huge famines, diseases, holocausts and the general suffering happen. This is not a fair god because the worst often happens for the people who have the least. Like the poor people of African countries who are constantly struck by genocidal wars, famines and diseases. What did these people ever do to deserve this? (except for being the genetical ancestors of all humanity)
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A powerless nothing who started the big bang and has no further influence.
I'm an atheist though..
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: cybrbeast]
#2238875 - 01/13/04 10:31 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
cybrbeast said: The biggest bastard in history for letting everything from huge famines, diseases, holocausts and the general suffering happen. This is not a fair god because the worst often happens for the people who have the least.
Its our responsibility to work away from famines, diseases, holocausts, and suffering... just because we are alive doesn't mean that we have to have everything handed to us on a silver platter.
What? You're breathing? Well, then, here's the key to Heaven, and the answers to every question.. We are here to learn and to experience, to evolve, and one can't do that if there isn't any catalyst to make us continue onward... perhaps the suffering is a kick in our fucking ass so that we will keep our eyes open and will keep moving? Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: fireworks_god]
#2238888 - 01/13/04 10:33 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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OK that's all fine. But what does god do on earth then??
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fireworks_god
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: cybrbeast]
#2238902 - 01/13/04 10:38 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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cybrbeast said: OK that's all fine. But what does god do on earth then??
Actually, he steals hubcaps from cars, with a crowbar.
Are you alive now? Do you have a spark of consciousness? I'd reckon that be God, right there. Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: fireworks_god]
#2238925 - 01/13/04 10:46 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fine, then I reckon I'm here because of a random fluctuation in multidimensional space which started the big bang and made our 3D space with coincidentally all the right values (like the smallest charge, lightspeed etc) for the formation of planets and eventually life. Through millions of years of evolution, mutation and randomness that very primitive first organism then evolved into man. Later in the life of man, a man and a woman met eachother, made my brother and then me... Why do you people need a god in your life? Is your mind too constrained to marvel at the much more astonishing idea that all we are is just a fortunate accident of time, space and matter/energy?
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Edited by cybrbeast (01/13/04 10:48 AM)
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: cybrbeast]
#2238933 - 01/13/04 10:49 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ja, God. Then what is the problem? Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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cybrbeast
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: fireworks_god]
#2238941 - 01/13/04 10:51 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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sorry, what do you mean with that post?
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fireworks_god
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: cybrbeast]
#2238959 - 01/13/04 10:57 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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cybrbeast said: sorry, what do you mean with that post?
*does a tap dance*
If I'm God and you're God and we're all God and we are experiencing, then why are we fighting about God? Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: fireworks_god]
#2239006 - 01/13/04 11:21 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Because I don't think I'm god. At least not in the way you do.
If I'm god, then I think I am a being in the real world who is playing a simulation of Earth. My real world memories will have been supressed for the sake of the game. Many other people we know on earth are joining us in this game. But many people on this world are just hollow simulations to entertain us. Their personal lives and databases will expand once a god (player) interacts with them. In this game the simulated universe stops a few light years out. And the rest is just data falling into our space created by computers.
I give this interpretation of reality much more chance of being real than a god creating us.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: cybrbeast]
#2239034 - 01/13/04 11:43 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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cybrbeast said: I give this interpretation of reality much more chance of being real than a god creating us.
However, we still don't know, and the chance could very well be equal.... personal preference towards one of them doesn't make it be more likely. Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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