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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: OkEyToKeY]
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I have left Christianity a few years ago, one of the best decisions of my life. This should be an interesting thread..
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in convertin [Re: OkEyToKeY]
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I have been atheist my entire life, and intend on staying so.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in convertin [Re: OkEyToKeY]
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My roommates are Christian. They even pray before every meal and before bed. I want to convert them. Religion, what a product of society!
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haha, I remember the first words I said when I woke up and the last before I fell asleep were prayers. I was afraid that if I didn't pray Jesus would come to me at night and scold me. ack!
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: OkEyToKeY]
#2224674 - 01/06/04 11:26 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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If I make an appearance on this thread for the purpose of saying "ROFLMAO", does this mean I have a subconscious desire to be converted???
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: OkEyToKeY]
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Christians...draw your swords!!!
CHARGE!!!
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: OkEyToKeY]
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Wait, I only wanted to "ROTF (and) LMAO". If I start actually answering questions, does that mean I'm doubting my Christianity???
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: OkEyToKeY]
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OkEyToKeY said: Firstly, by entering this post, you must on subconscious level, have some desire to leave Christianity behind you in a cloud of enlightenment. I welcome you, and/or your subconscious to this post.
Second, what is the BIGGEST influence that allows you to believe in Christianity? What's the strongest factor that keeps you believing in it, or how specifically does Christianity warrant your belief?
And, lastly, what is the one most discomforting thing about your life that Christianity seems to comfort you for? Be very detailed, please. What kind of experiences have you had, and how have you felt about, these beliefs supporting your way of thinking?
Prepare your subconscious!
Okay, but *sigh*, don't hold my beliefs against me!
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Firstly, by entering this post, you must on subconscious level, have some desire to leave Christianity behind you in a cloud of enlightenment.
I absolutely do NOT have a subconscious desire to leave my beliefs behind me.
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Second, what is the BIGGEST influence that allows you to believe in Christianity? What's the strongest factor that keeps you believing in it, or how specifically does Christianity warrant your belief?
I was raised Catholic, but I reformed when I was 18, because I didn't like the "rules". When I was about 7 years old, I was writing poetry about God. My love for God. I know, very strange.
I loved God until I was about 13, but a series of problems in my family caused me to doubt God, and I stopped "listening".
When I was 16, I went on a "search", the first one in Orange County. I was reconnected with God.
But the family problems continued, so I lost touch with God again.
I also heard (stupid) Christians say that if I loved God enough, I could overcome my problems. So I figured that if God didn't love me when I couldn't let go of my problems, then I must not be a good Christian. So I let go of God again.
But as I grew, and learned, and read, I realized that God loved me regardless of where I was at in my life. I didn't have to do anything to gain God's love.
Now, I believe that God looks after me. I try to be "good". But not because being "good" will get me into heaven. Because, like the apostle Paul says, because it pleases God. This also ties into karma, btw.
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And, lastly, what is the one most discomforting thing about your life that Christianity seems to comfort you for? Be very detailed, please. What kind of experiences have you had, and how have you felt about, these beliefs supporting your way of thinking?
I can't think of anything in my life that is discomforting that is comforted by being a Christian. Can you ask a more specific question?
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: OkEyToKeY]
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Being in Christ precludes any involvement in an organized Christian Church, but 'Being in Christ' is the Christian faith's words for living in a state of spiritual enlightenment. Now, just because another tells you that [s]he is enlightened doe not make it so, and neither will posting on a Shroomery thread. However, I became a Christian on my own, even though rejected by my faithless and materialistic peers as well as my unobserving but nevertheless Jewish family. It was the most important change of attitude I ever made, and I made it in 1976.
My life has been enriched spiritually with unprecedented insight, enriched me intellectually (hunger to Know more propelled me through degree programs in philosophy, theology and psychology), has shaped my ethics and morals, provided me with an all-pervading peace (despite the little surfaces neuroses) that many have commented on over the years, and which cannot come from drug use, and has been THE model for my human development. In addition, and certainly worth noting (as I have in another thread), the dictate to: 'Seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven and its righteousness, and all things will be added unto you,' turned out to be completely True. Despite the losses and disappointments in my life, I have, with what seems minimal effort, 'been given' a wonderful career niche which allows me to practice Compassion for a living, thereby transmuting a career into a spiritual discipline. I have also had money come my way unexpectedly on more than one occasion at a juncture when the perfect house suddenly became available, and then affordable. My health has been excellent, despite some minor surgeries, and unlike the rest of my family, I appear a good 20 years younger than I am, and still get ID checks on occasion. Perhaps most importantly is the level of my enthusiasm which still resonates with much of the idealism I had in my 20's, which is why I still hang with 20 and 30 somethings, because I don't fit in with the world-weary 40+ or 50 year olds who are chronologically the same age as me. Being in Christ is Being in Eternal Life, and it has been sustaining inside and outside of me - no difference.
So, before you go off with your very time-limited understanding of Being in Christ, or truly being Christian, you ought to listen to some witnesses of those who have benefitted as I have. And yes, although I still practice Yoga, it is a Christian [practicing] Yoga. I wrote a book on Tibetan Buddhism, 1983, Microfilms International Publishing entitled: 'A Phenomenological Adaptation of the Tibetan Buddhist Doctrine of Psychic Centers to a Metatheoretical Hierarchy of Human Motivation, ' 222 pages) and have more than a little knowledge of the world religions as well as several magickal and cultic systems. I have NEVER had any regrets, and give thanks continuously. Peace be with you. May you make the same discovery that I have.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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How does one "be in christ" then? Really. How can I do it?
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: Revelation]
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MarkostheGnostic if you have knowledge of religions try and get the christians to apologise to the wiccan community for the witch hunts. Christians have had reconciliation trips to the middle east to apologise to the arabic types, so why does the wiccan community not deserve the same treatment?
It seems odd that people claim god protects them, yet when people die or whatever it's said that he can't stop these things happening. I am neither refuting the existence of god or saying that god should rap everyone up in cotton wool.
I follow no religion myself but things like gaia theory make it seem likely that god set all of this out instead of it being a huge chain of random events.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: Oook]
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Well, I have studied Wicca, and many years ago met Ray Buckland who was recruiting new witches for his Brentwood [Long Island] cove. I remember a beautiful young blond, in black leotards, wearing a gold pentagram - what a recruiting strategy! I never joined, but I remember fantasizing about the blond, practicing sky-clad...[ahem].
At any rate, not long ago I bought a set of male and female figurine candlesticks [God & Goddess] for the altar of a Wiccan friend of my Lady. I am not assuming any unrealistic role of spokesman for so-called 'Christian' atrocities. I do not belive that witch hunts were more than 'sexual politics' - keeping 'enchantingly' sexy women, or perhaps older 'wise' women (herbalists, midwives, Earth-Mother types) in terrible submission. These holocausts were anything but Christian, no matter what they called themselves. A real Christian is Christ-like in Compassion, mercy, forgiveness, loving-kindness. Anything else is a LIE - evil itself - a Satanic spirit misusing Scriptures in the guise of righteousness.
I can only speak for myself, and conduct myself based on my beliefs. I embrace the Wiccan ethic: 'An Harm Ye None.'
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: Revelation]
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From the Inner and the Outer, one must draw closer to Christ. Interiorly, one must decide to allow Compassion and conscience rule all of one's competing impulses. A beautiful married woman comes on to you. But what of her husband, who does not know what kind of woman he married? Out of Compassion to him, you turn her down - which means you have just crucified your sexual ego - you have allowed Compassion to Reign as 'King' in your Heart.
One familiarizes oneself with the Writings about Jesus the Christ. For me, I began with the Bible. The New Testament illumines the Old Testament ['The Old Testament is revealled in the New Testament, the New Testament is concealed in the Old Testament'). One need not stop at the canonical Bible - there are many Apocryphal Books that were excluded, and the Nag Hammadi library is in English - many new books on Jesus discovered only in 1945.
Prayer - the action of which is initiated not by our human minds, but by the Holy Spirit [Consciousness] which begins to be experienced in our own spirit [consciousness]. 'Seek and you shall find, ask and you shall receive, knock and the Door shall be opened to you'). When I pray, I do use a very basic 'formula' in which I ask or I give thanks to GOD in the Names of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, while drawing my mind into my Heart +++ Do not look for signs, signs will then become very clear to you. Remember, praying isn't merely speaking to the air [pneuma], but to the Spirit [Pneuma]. With practice, one loses one's self-conscious ego-mind that tells you how stupid you're being - like a little cartoon devil whispering in your ear.
Have Faith in this, it is Really Real and transcends our psychophysical life of reason and sensory perception. If your intention is sincere - if you seek Truth - you will see for yourself and you will Know. GOD Lives.
Peace be with you.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: OkEyToKeY]
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OK - Firstly, there is nothing "vague" about the Christian formulation of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. If you wanted to read a brilliant explanation of these Names from a modern Existentialist Christian theologian, there is John McQuarrie's 'The Principles of Christian Theology.'
There are no writings "of" Christ, since Jesus of Nazareth never wrote. People wrote 'of' Jesus however, and several of Saint Paul's letters are deemed authentic by most scholars. The Gospels, with their 'empty tomb' narratives were written much later, and apparently served as liturgical pieces to be read on Jewish holidays, according to the Jewish calendar. Incidentally, whether you realize it or not, Jesus or Y'shua (in the Hebrew) or Issa - as his Mother Miriam (Mary) would have called Him in Aramaic - was thoroughly Jewish, and only clarified Judaism according to its earlier Abrahamic way. It is actually anti-Jewish to suggest that Jewishness can be removed from Y'shua. The Nazis themselves, under minister of propaganda Goebbels attempted exactly this - a false distillation of Universal Christhood from the Jewish Messiah - on the way to supplanting the Lutheran Church's cross with the swastika.
Please do not assume that I hold to the aspects of Christianity that you may have [mis]understood. For example, most Gentiles have no idea that the title 'Son of God' is used throught the Old Testament to refer to a King of Israel. The Divine Right of Kingship made one a son of God. The term was heard as unique by non-Jews even to today. The Scriptural words of 'Only Begotten Son of God' is an anthropomorphic device to refer to a unique event in history when the Eternal and Infinite God, rent the fabric of the space-time continuum, and manifested "in Christ." Now, the early Pauline formula of "God was in Christ," was very different from the later Johannine theology which looked at Jesus the Christ as 'God clothed in flesh.' For Paul, Jesus was the Messiah or Christ of God - a man specially and uniquely 'annointed' with a correspondance between the human will and the Divine Will. Jesus was for Paul, more than a man, more than a Prophet of God. We, can be adopted as 'sons and daughters of God,' but our human being, though allowing for an interpenetration of what the Orthodox call 'the Divine Energies,' and the possibility of our transformation 'into' Christ, is quite clear that the Ontology (Being) of Y'shua was not different from ours merely by 'degree,' but different from us in 'kind.'
Lastly, the God of the Bible is not the 'Christian God.' A Christian may be Godly, but God is not a Christian. God is not "energy" although the "Uncreated Energies" of Orthodox Christianity do use this description. However, God is Living Reality, not human, though many peoples and faiths recognize attributes (like "Allah the Merciful, the Compassionate"), and the higher esoteric mystical elite of most religions recognize that the Essence of God transcends the Nature of God which are God's attributes. God is 'at least' Personal, certainly not less than Personal, since we are persons, and our Designer is greater than we are, not lesser - but the Godhead is Transpersonal - Transcending anything we can know or comprehend. God is not Impersonal, less than Personal, and thus is never to be equated with the Universe - God's Creation/Emanation. If one is discussing theology, it is important to use theological language. The same is true in any discipline. A certain internal consistancy is necessary. Peace.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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I like your posts. They remind me of seminary.
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I like his posts, too.
I like big, long paragraphs, too. In fact, I love big, long paragraphs so much that I retract my previously written request to break paragraphs up.
New edict: From now on, everyone must run their paragraphs together. No breaks. That way, I won't have to read them any more.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: Frog]
#2232538 - 01/09/04 11:48 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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In case you didn't know, Markos is a PhD.
He is brilliant.
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I like reading Markos' posts. I just don't usually have anything to add to them, because they pretty much say everything that needs to be said.
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These quotes are from the first pages of the VERY FIRST book I ever read, which is titled 'We Look and See' by William S. Gray, A. Sterl Artley, May Hill Arbuthnot, and illustrated by Eleanor Campbell. Scott, Foresman and Company, NY, 1951.
Look "Look, look." "Oh, oh, oh." "Oh, oh. Oh, look."
Jane "Oh, Jane. Look, Jane, look." "Look, look. See. Jane." "See, see. See Jane. Oh, see Jane."
Dick "Look, Jane. Look, look. See Dick." "see, see. Oh, see. See Dick." "Oh, see Dick. Oh, oh, oh. Funny, funny Dick."
Some things never change. I've spent my whole life trying to get 'Jane' to see dick, and say "Oh, oh, oh [!]" It all began here. But thanks for the accolades - I just wanted to illustrate the generating force and origin of all this high brow stuff.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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brilliant!
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oh oh Oh OH OOOHHHH !!!!!!!!! (was it good for you?)
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in convertin [Re: gnrm23]
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I have a strange spiritual position in life.. I was raised by a non-practicing mother (technically christian at one point in life, but I wouldn't call her that these days) and a "born again christian" father.
My parents divorced when I was like 7, and until I was about 16, my father attempted to make me a practicing christian. I didn't like having it "forced on me" and I didn't understand. I didn't GET what it was that these people around me felt. I was not receiving the god-rays, so to speak.
Eventually I completely stopped attending church, because I didn't like faking it. I wasn't feeling anything, so why should I go?
The result of all this is my current status.. best described as "a Christian without the support of a god". I do what I feel is right, as often as possible.. I'm very moral, and I have a very good sense of right and wrong.
There is nothing so strenuous as to always feel that you are giving, but not receiving.
Sorry, this is mostly just rambling.. I'm kinda confused spiritually, as I feel that SOMETHING is there, somewhere.. I just don't know what or where. I can't find it.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in convertin [Re: daba]
#2238066 - 01/12/04 10:18 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Religion has absolutely nothing to do with a person's walk with God. Just my humble input.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#2238126 - 01/12/04 10:48 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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it strikes me as odd that such a smart man (markosthegnostic) can believe and have faith with the only evidence backing his faith being scribed in a book written thousands of years ago.
what's god's reason for taking one of my best friends (the nicest, coolest, and happiest guy i've ever known) away from his family and friends at the age of 18?? why does god let these bad things happen for no reason (i'd like you to come up with a reason because i can't)??
these things just seem to be evidence contradicting the existence of a compassionate and loving god. but alas, i can't believe either way because i see no proof in either. blind faith and rejection of faith based on no sensory evidence are one in the same i guess, it just depends on which side you lie.
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another question...who created god? god was just ALWAYS around?? i don't understand how this works. this sounds like the easy way of explaining the unexplainable.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: TODAY]
#2238512 - 01/13/04 05:41 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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TODAY said: what's god's reason for taking one of my best friends (the nicest, coolest, and happiest guy i've ever known) away from his family and friends at the age of 18?? why does god let these bad things happen for no reason (i'd like you to come up with a reason because i can't)??
I don't see God interacting with the ebb and flow of life.. I see God as BEING the ebb and flow of life. Life equals God, sort of. The entire structure is God. I see the archetype of some entity who is consciously in charge of life and causing things to happen or not happen is a little bit outdated... life goes on. Peace.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: TODAY]
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IMO, If there is a god, he is either:
The biggest bastard in history for letting everything from huge famines, diseases, holocausts and the general suffering happen. This is not a fair god because the worst often happens for the people who have the least. Like the poor people of African countries who are constantly struck by genocidal wars, famines and diseases. What did these people ever do to deserve this? (except for being the genetical ancestors of all humanity)
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A powerless nothing who started the big bang and has no further influence.
I'm an atheist though..
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: cybrbeast]
#2238875 - 01/13/04 10:31 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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cybrbeast said: The biggest bastard in history for letting everything from huge famines, diseases, holocausts and the general suffering happen. This is not a fair god because the worst often happens for the people who have the least.
Its our responsibility to work away from famines, diseases, holocausts, and suffering... just because we are alive doesn't mean that we have to have everything handed to us on a silver platter.
What? You're breathing? Well, then, here's the key to Heaven, and the answers to every question.. We are here to learn and to experience, to evolve, and one can't do that if there isn't any catalyst to make us continue onward... perhaps the suffering is a kick in our fucking ass so that we will keep our eyes open and will keep moving? Peace.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: fireworks_god]
#2238888 - 01/13/04 10:33 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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OK that's all fine. But what does god do on earth then??
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: cybrbeast]
#2238902 - 01/13/04 10:38 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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cybrbeast said: OK that's all fine. But what does god do on earth then??
Actually, he steals hubcaps from cars, with a crowbar.
Are you alive now? Do you have a spark of consciousness? I'd reckon that be God, right there. Peace.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: fireworks_god]
#2238925 - 01/13/04 10:46 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fine, then I reckon I'm here because of a random fluctuation in multidimensional space which started the big bang and made our 3D space with coincidentally all the right values (like the smallest charge, lightspeed etc) for the formation of planets and eventually life. Through millions of years of evolution, mutation and randomness that very primitive first organism then evolved into man. Later in the life of man, a man and a woman met eachother, made my brother and then me... Why do you people need a god in your life? Is your mind too constrained to marvel at the much more astonishing idea that all we are is just a fortunate accident of time, space and matter/energy?
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: cybrbeast]
#2238933 - 01/13/04 10:49 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ja, God. Then what is the problem? Peace.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: fireworks_god]
#2238941 - 01/13/04 10:51 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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sorry, what do you mean with that post?
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: cybrbeast]
#2238959 - 01/13/04 10:57 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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cybrbeast said: sorry, what do you mean with that post?
*does a tap dance*
If I'm God and you're God and we're all God and we are experiencing, then why are we fighting about God? Peace.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: fireworks_god]
#2239006 - 01/13/04 11:21 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Because I don't think I'm god. At least not in the way you do.
If I'm god, then I think I am a being in the real world who is playing a simulation of Earth. My real world memories will have been supressed for the sake of the game. Many other people we know on earth are joining us in this game. But many people on this world are just hollow simulations to entertain us. Their personal lives and databases will expand once a god (player) interacts with them. In this game the simulated universe stops a few light years out. And the rest is just data falling into our space created by computers.
I give this interpretation of reality much more chance of being real than a god creating us.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: cybrbeast]
#2239034 - 01/13/04 11:43 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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cybrbeast said: I give this interpretation of reality much more chance of being real than a god creating us.
However, we still don't know, and the chance could very well be equal.... personal preference towards one of them doesn't make it be more likely. Peace.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: fireworks_god]
#2239053 - 01/13/04 11:53 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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No the chance can't be defined and is therfor personal. There is no chance for each way. Only one way is the real way. But personally I can give my interpretation a higher likelyhood than christianity. I give computing power a higher chance than omnipotence..
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: cybrbeast]
#2239064 - 01/13/04 11:59 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not saying anything for Christianity either... hehe.
I'm just considering life a gift... you can call it God or Bob Dole, its all the same. Peace.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: fireworks_god]
#2239078 - 01/13/04 12:03 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Peace to you bro. But I don't agree. It's not all the same. The way you live your life is influenced by your beliefs. If you believe you go to hell if you do the things you would like to do. Then religion fucks up your potential life..
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: cybrbeast]
#2239093 - 01/13/04 12:07 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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No, I agree, your beliefs end up creating your actions. I'm just saying it doesn't matter what you call the gift of life. hehe Peace.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: cybrbeast]
#2240074 - 01/13/04 06:56 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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cybrbeast said: Peace to you bro. But I don't agree. It's not all the same. The way you live your life is influenced by your beliefs. If you believe you go to hell if you do the things you would like to do. Then religion fucks up your potential life..
So if my belief in God means that I won't lie, cheat or steal, how is my potential life fucked up? Even if there ends up being no God, I'd say that living honestly is the preferrable way to live. (Did I spell "preferrable" wrong???)
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: Frog]
#2240308 - 01/13/04 08:31 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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The right chemicals combine to make primitive cells...
.. The cells combine to form complex life forms, like for example ants.
The ants follow the orders of the queen, you might say the whole colony acts like one single being. Human societies can make unified actions just like the ant colony.
Those unified actions affect the whole planet The way the chemicals work affect cells. Cells affect humans and animals. Animals and humans affect society. The society's action affect the planet. The actions of the planets affect the solar system. The solar systems affect the galaxy and the galaxy affects the universe.
To me it is very possible that the universe is one huge sentient being.
For me this is the closest to god anyone will every get.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: Frog]
#2240723 - 01/14/04 01:03 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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And your point? Who says I was talking about your interpretation of religion? It's a fact though, that there are many biblehumpers whose children are suppresed in some kind of way by their religion. I don't let religion set my morals and values. I'd like to set my own based on my experience of society. I think any self-respecting induvidual should do this.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: cybrbeast]
#2240753 - 01/14/04 01:30 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was interpreting your prior post.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: Frog]
#2240797 - 01/14/04 02:20 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Huh? You were interpreting the post that you quoted I guess. I was responding to your response, and I think my response is still valid.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: TODAY]
#2240951 - 01/14/04 05:46 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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My faith lives and operates in the present. Scriptures are only a record of faith-events that have occured on Earth. The task is to discern the historical, allegorical, symbolic and mystical levels of what has been written. 'Miracles,' or synchronicities are an important part of my everyday life. Dreams are important too. Angelic intervention is probably too far to go with you, without a background in what that means experiencially.
Everyone dies Bud - some sooner than others. Your friend's purpose in life was not soley to be here as your friend. Perhaps he was 'recalled to the factory' before life could corrupt him to the point of his getting irretrievably 'lost.' We are human BEINGS, and beings are spiritual realities, in our case with physical bodies appended. This business about questioning the obvious existence of GOD because someone dies is about the most ridiculous human response to death that one can have. It is a problem that is completely centered on one's ego - as if your friend's spiritual pilgrimage through this plane of existence was all about YOU! Spend the rest of YOUR life in preparation for your own transition from this life. That's what human development is for. What did you think our purpose is here, to have a continuous 'Birthday' party? It's equally about a 'Deathday' party. Get ready, live right, love right because we're ALL gonna go. The only question for each of us is 'where?,' and 'the grave' is not an answer except for the crudest of materialists.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: Kingkole]
#2240952 - 01/14/04 05:46 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I liked that. It mentions the organization.. the levels... I like that. Peace.
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Re: For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#2241007 - 01/14/04 06:53 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your friend's purpose in life was not soley to be here as your friend. Perhaps he was 'recalled to the factory' before life could corrupt him to the point of his getting irretrievably 'lost.'
So why wasn't Hitler recalled to the factory then? Or was he just doing god's plan?
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