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Re: The Christian and the Atheist [Re: ]
    #785095 - 07/29/02 09:27 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I don't see what's so offending about Swami's first post?
Maybe I have just been desensitized to his cynicism after two years of the constant barrage.. heh.


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Re: The Christian and the Atheist [Re: ]
    #785111 - 07/29/02 09:34 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe I have just been desensitized to his cynicism after two years of the constant barrage.. heh.

*sigh* Makes want to rachet it up a notch as I must be losing shock value.


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Re: The Christian and the Atheist [Re: ]
    #785137 - 07/29/02 09:46 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

He characterizes all Christians as hypocritical and sinful. That is completely biased and untrue.

What do you think he was trying to do?

And Swami, you won't be ratcheting anything up if the new rules are applied fairly. I am not kidding here.

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Re: The Christian and the Atheist [Re: ]
    #785185 - 07/29/02 10:02 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not sure... Swami remains a mystery to me.
I'll read this long ass thread again


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Re: The Christian and the Atheist [Re: ]
    #785193 - 07/29/02 10:05 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

He characterizes all Christians as hypocritical and sinful.

He said "all"? I don't think so. He implied "most", definitely not "all" (in my humble interpretation and perception of the bulk of the good Swami's posts).

I'd have to agree with the "most" thing too.

And Swami, you won't be ratcheting anything up if the new rules are applied fairly. I am not kidding here.

Christ, man! Do you read humor into statements only when it suits you or what?


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Re: The Christian and the Atheist [Re: Sclorch]
    #785210 - 07/29/02 10:14 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Sclorch,

He changed it to read "some" faithful. I think that is better. And yes, if you remember some of the things I've said I agree with the "most" as well.

As far as the humor goes I do have a terrible time seeing it at times. Most of the time I assume it is humor but if a topic gets me in a serious mood I have trouble seeing it.

You have a very keen perception I think. I watch you play with words and use ambiguity with great skill. Now, maybe that's just my perception too.

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Re: The Christian and the Atheist [Re: Swami]
    #785581 - 07/30/02 06:21 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

It is a loss inasmuch as the world needs perceptive, intelligent Children of God - Pneumatic Christians, as the Gnostics say, in addition to the legions of Psychic Christians - the difference being "many are called but few are chosen." Think about it...there are few Christians who believe as I do (which I am trying to describe at this forum without too much ego involvement. I.e., I am a 'type,' which is far more important than 'listen to ME - I'm special'). There are armies of people like the ones most of us find obnoxious. I'm not immune to Saturday morning Jehova Witness visits. I've had to change my Dymo label on the doorbell to read "No Evangelizing" from "No Proselytizing" because people didn't know what the word meant even though they were doing it!

Secondly. Prejudice. Miami is a city divided with racial tension - Black, Latin and White (most of whom have left Miami-Dade County). We even had a band a few years ago called 'Dead German Tourist' named after the unfortunate blondies who got lost in Overtown on the way from the airport and got jacked and killed by hateful African Americans. When I moved here, I found myself completely invisible in Cuban establishments. Don't even let me begin to discuss Haitians, with whom I worked for over a decade. BUT...if there is just ONE single exception to the masses of human wreckage...you cannot remain prejudiced. I have a Haitian friend - she's a doll - animal rights, a counselor like myself, etc. I have a Cuban friend. My Lady is Nigerian-Jamaican, Cornell graduate, MBA degree, gorgeous. Christians. Yes, discard the thousands of negative experiences of counterfeit or Psychic Christians whose degree of Awakeness is minimal. They may all technically be 'justified [by faith]' but few are truly 'sanctified.' It's like everything else in life: art, beauty, genius, love...these people and these qualities are 'pearls of great price.' They are not everywhere. Kids grafitti, whores parade, arrogants spout...but these are people who only think they're about art, beauty or genius. Same for people calling themselves Christians. Discern, man, don't pre-judge. Minority doesn't equal non-existence.


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Re: The Christian and the Atheist [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #785631 - 07/30/02 07:10 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Markos, Markos, Markos...
How many times do we have to tell you that you're not a christian? You think too much to be one.

You're a theist that follows the teachings of Jesus as found in the bible.


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Re: The Christian and the Atheist [Re: Sclorch]
    #785932 - 07/30/02 10:26 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

"You're a theist that follows the teachings of Jesus as found in the bible."

That is good, anyway, humanitate magis quam religione nobis opus est.

MAIA


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Re: The Christian and the Atheist [Re: MAIA]
    #786142 - 07/30/02 12:12 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

isn't one who follows the teachings of jesus christ a CHRISTian then?
maybe not as the world has given the stereotype, but in the true sense of the word.


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Re: The Christian and the Atheist [Re: whiterastahippie]
    #786152 - 07/30/02 12:15 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

It is quite possible that one could follow the moral teachings of Jesus Christ, but yet not believe in the Christian version of God or the divinity of Christ.


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Re: The Christian and the Atheist [Re: whiterastahippie]
    #786201 - 07/30/02 12:48 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

His teachings are universal, he's a master of goodness, the problem is blind faith. I believe that faith can mislead people into falsehood, and that we need reason and doubt as necessary checks against our capacity for error. I believe that we need to allow our fellow human beings to make choices for themselves and to live the life they wish to, in mutual peace and goodwill. I believe in many of the values christians like to preach, you know, sometimes atheists can be a real paradox to a christians eyes.

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Edited by MAIA (07/30/02 12:50 PM)


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Re: The Christian and the Atheist [Re: Sclorch]
    #786300 - 07/30/02 01:41 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Stop that...you're being silly again.


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Re: The Christian and the Atheist [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #787297 - 07/30/02 11:29 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

"Do you think i know what i'm doing? that for one breath or half a breath i belong to myself? AS much as a pen knows what it's writing, or the ball can guess where it's going next?" ----jelaluddin rumi
peace braa.

but then, you saying he couldn't be a christian cause he thought too much...kinda unthoughtful of...who was it that posted that? sclorch. yeah, does that make you a christian since it was unthoughtful?


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Re: The Christian and the Atheist [Re: ]
    #787393 - 07/31/02 01:16 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

swami has a brilliant post, it clearly states the contradictions within christianity and renders the contextual ideas presented throughout the religion as a faulty construction.


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Re: The Christian and the Atheist [Re: ]
    #787418 - 07/31/02 01:54 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

He characterizes all Christians as hypocritical and sinful. That is completely biased and untrue.


he said that everyone is hypocritical and sinful.

I thought that's what Christians believed too?



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Re: The Christian and the Atheist [Re: ViBrAnT]
    #787420 - 07/31/02 01:58 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

renders the contextual ideas presented throughout the religion as a faulty construction.

what????


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Re: The Christian and the Atheist [Re: why]
    #787422 - 07/31/02 02:05 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

i know dude, freethinkers seem to be SO surprised that christians are sinners or something, they always say that.
well hey, at least we agree on something. if i was perfect i wouldn't need God.
peace all.


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Re: The Christian and the Atheist [Re: ViBrAnT]
    #787424 - 07/31/02 02:07 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

hey vibrant, how'd you get five mushrooms and you only got seven posts? man i want some shroomies braa!


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Re: The Christian and the Atheist [Re: whiterastahippie]
    #787842 - 07/31/02 09:19 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Ah... so now we're not "skeptics", we're "freethinkers". hahahahaha I can live with that.

i know dude, freethinkers seem to be SO surprised that christians are sinners or something, they always say that.

NO. You keep missing this one point Swami has repeated over and over again.
With all the divine insight Christians receive from going to church, praying, having visions, or whatever... in the end, the percentages of Christians who do fucked up things is NO DIFFERENT from the percentages of non-religious people (be they agnostics, athiests, or whatever). Understand? If so, then what extra good is offered by adherance to the Christian regimen?

well hey, at least we agree on something. if i was perfect i wouldn't need God.

Wasn't Jesus perfect? He needed God.
I'm really sorry you have this belief... it's a hindrance on your own thought process. You can't be perfect? This is a line of BS. You're perfect the way you are. Imperfections in one's self arise when you adopt someone else's standards on perfection. Fuck trying to be perfect.


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