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Re: Don't believe in God?Shouldn't you have an answer? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1236925 - 01/21/03 02:43 PM (19 years, 5 hours ago)

How's this: You have not proved anything at all.


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Re: Don't believe in God?Shouldn't you have an answer? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1236930 - 01/21/03 02:44 PM (19 years, 5 hours ago)

And now you reply with something like "Ahh, but the proof is all around you."

How "intelligent" is that?


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Re: Don't believe in God?Shouldn't you have an answer? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1236994 - 01/21/03 03:01 PM (19 years, 5 hours ago)

The thing that made me reconsider my belief in God was my 3rd grade teachers horrible responce to a question I asked about the subject (it was a private school). "If people who dont worship God go to hell, what about people who have never heard about God or read the bible?" She told me that everybody at some point was taught about God; and that was good enough for me at the time.

Years later I realise that she couldn't have been right. If only Native Americans inhabited the 'new world' prior to the 1500's, they could never have learned about Christianity. This means they worshiped whatever Native Americans worishped at the time: sun, moon, stars, various gods, etc..

I do believe in God, but  I'm not technically Christian because I dont currently go to church or read the Christian Bible. I have faith that God exists and I accept that it can not be prooved. Proof is the anthisis of faith. If its proof you need to believe, then you don't have faith.

edit: wanted unbold that; I'm an idiot, no?  :tongue:


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Re: Don't believe in God?Shouldn't you have an answer? [Re: TeKHeAD009]
    #1237052 - 01/21/03 03:20 PM (19 years, 5 hours ago)

Faith in God is an illusion.

It consists mostly of faith in yourself (your own "righteousness", "enlightenment" and also perception), faith in the information you have been given (faith in the Bible, Torrah, Qurran, Rede...) and in those who gave it to you.

Faith in God is merely faith in faith.


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Re: Don't believe in God?Shouldn't you have an answer? [Re: TeKHeAD009]
    #1237093 - 01/21/03 03:33 PM (19 years, 4 hours ago)

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Re: Don't believe in God?Shouldn't you have an answer? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1237115 - 01/21/03 03:41 PM (19 years, 4 hours ago)

who do you think TAUGHT you your belief?

Church and Literature.

You wouldn't have come up with this trash on your own.


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Re: Don't believe in God?Shouldn't you have an answer? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1237124 - 01/21/03 03:45 PM (19 years, 4 hours ago)

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Re: Don't believe in God?Shouldn't you have an answer? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1237131 - 01/21/03 03:46 PM (19 years, 4 hours ago)

Where's the beef?


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    #1237271 - 01/21/03 04:27 PM (19 years, 3 hours ago)



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Re: Don't believe in God?Shouldn't you have an answer? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1237436 - 01/21/03 05:11 PM (19 years, 3 hours ago)

Hey...how about, 'you become your ignorance?' I'm reading a text on mysticism, and one of the chapters is on Theresa of Avila who wrote 'Interior Castle,' and some other classics in Christian mysticism. The different states of being this Carmelite monastic wrote about and categorized are now classic. Those who are educated in the highest practices of contemplation can appreciate her contributuion to humanity's store of knowledge. There are people like Ken Wilber, for example, whose degree of intellection is well acknowledged, and artist Alex Grey, whose art I know you've seen, who have a deep understanding of Christian mysticism, and it's modern magnification by the use of Entheogens.

Have you not noticed the painfully few individuals at this forum who can say, because they understand, that Christ is the Way to be? Do you not notice that individuals here post under a spirituality & philosophy (oh, yes, and now the secularizing influence of science) forum, and yet have anger and even contempt for things deemed Christian? With such animosity, there can be no genuine spirituality present in such lives under any other tradition. There is instinct and intellection, but little mediating Compassion, despite references to bodhisattvas, swamis, or higher order humans in any other tradition. This, like other similar forums (e.g., Drooldonkey, the Lycaeum, etc.) has attracted haters, the envious, the cynical, the abused, and worst of all, the demonic. Unbelief is not experienced with a humble desire to believe, but with ridicule of believers. Like those who "put out their lips," as the New Testament described the sadistic mockers of Jesus on the way to His crucifixion, there are those who use this forum to express their own tormented selves. There is laughter, and there is laughter, but the laughter of pure joy is absent from the hearts of such dark souls. Martyrdom worked only minimally - masochism doesn't work at all as a change agent. People have to want to change - thus sayeth the therapist :smile: 


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Re: Don't believe in God?Shouldn't you have an answer? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1237463 - 01/21/03 05:19 PM (19 years, 3 hours ago)

Faith is an illusion.
Thats interesting, I never saw it that really what your putting your faith in is the information about God, and the people who present it.

I retain my faith despite my teacher because I look around me and dont believe that everything created was a result of evolution and the a spontanious big bang (and under the Christian catagory because thats what I was taught since a young age).


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Re: Don't believe in God?Shouldn't you have an answer? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1237465 - 01/21/03 05:19 PM (19 years, 3 hours ago)

If only Christianity weren't so poorly represented...

It's not wrong to believe that someone else's beliefs are wrong, but it is foolish to believe someone elses beliefs are foolish.


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Re: Don't believe in God?Shouldn't you have an answer? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1238066 - 01/21/03 10:12 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Have you not noticed the painfully few individuals at this forum who can say, because they understand, that Christ is the Way to be? Do you not notice that individuals here post under a spirituality & philosophy (oh, yes, and now the secularizing influence of science) forum, and yet have anger and even contempt for things deemed Christian? With such animosity, there can be no genuine spirituality present in such lives under any other tradition. There is instinct and intellection, but little mediating Compassion, despite references to bodhisattvas, swamis, or higher order humans in any other tradition. This, like other similar forums (e.g., Drooldonkey, the Lycaeum, etc.) has attracted haters, the envious, the cynical, the abused, and worst of all, the demonic. Unbelief is not experienced with a humble desire to believe, but with ridicule of believers. Like those who "put out their lips," as the New Testament described the sadistic mockers of Jesus on the way to His crucifixion, there are those who use this forum to express their own tormented selves. There is laughter, and there is laughter, but the laughter of pure joy is absent from the hearts of such dark souls. Martyrdom worked only minimally - masochism doesn't work at all as a change agent. People have to want to change - thus sayeth the therapist  :smile:





True dat!


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Re: Don't believe in God?Shouldn't you have an answer? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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    #1239015 - 01/22/03 09:25 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you Enter


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