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Have you not noticed the painfully few individuals at this forum who can say, because they understand, that Christ is the Way to be? Do you not notice that individuals here post under a spirituality & philosophy (oh, yes, and now the secularizing influence of science) forum, and yet have anger and even contempt for things deemed Christian? With such animosity, there can be no genuine spirituality present in such lives under any other tradition. There is instinct and intellection, but little mediating Compassion, despite references to bodhisattvas, swamis, or higher order humans in any other tradition. This, like other similar forums (e.g., Drooldonkey, the Lycaeum, etc.) has attracted haters, the envious, the cynical, the abused, and worst of all, the demonic. Unbelief is not experienced with a humble desire to believe, but with ridicule of believers. Like those who "put out their lips," as the New Testament described the sadistic mockers of Jesus on the way to His crucifixion, there are those who use this forum to express their own tormented selves. There is laughter, and there is laughter, but the laughter of pure joy is absent from the hearts of such dark souls. Martyrdom worked only minimally - masochism doesn't work at all as a change agent. People have to want to change - thus sayeth the therapist 

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