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 Re: Why God MUST be real  [Re: CACA]
#389948 - 09/10/01 02:31 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Why God MUST be real [Re: zetek]
#389995 - 09/10/01 05:37 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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'lo, zetek --
Nope, haven't been to the site you mentioned, but I remember reading a post of yours in political discussion where you mentioned you were a biologist -- and I could have sworn your title-thingee used to say "bi-pedal primate"...plus you do a pretty good job of staying calm and rational with some of the other polital discussion regulars, something I thought would come in handy here given the subject matter...
Yeesh, I've gotta get a life sometime...
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Re: Why God MUST be real [Re: Pynchon]
#390007 - 09/10/01 06:10 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ah... yeah, zoologist. Thanks for the compliments. I've been busy "debating" a very tenacious creationist whom I connected with through another very highly perused site. The eye subject was mentioned so I thought you'd seen it.
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I can't eat chocolate donuts without a glass of milk. I prefer one with powdered donuts too, but I can get away with not having any for them.
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i know!!! thats the great part about it!! it is slowly becoming easier to do things for me, since i just dont give a shit, and any single tiny thought that i get i can explain it and give excuses for reasons for things. sometimes i dont make sense to myself!! i just try my hardest to say thoughts. really weird!!
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Re: Why God MUST be real [Re: aluminum_can]
#390769 - 09/10/01 09:38 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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... you're happy about talking nonsense...?.. i am not saying that i don't understand what you're saying, i am saying that you talk bullshit and that what you have to say won't get anyone to understand any truth. you speak nontruth and anyone can do that.
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Considering the universe is infinite and everything exists, then wouldn't things replicate like randomly... wouldn't things be repeated and in an infinite pool of random repeating wouldn't alternate earths that randomly formed to the exact of ours be relative? like i have this weird conclusion that if you can "understand" infinity then couldn't far away the exact world be replicated to the exact, with everyone and everything existing an infinite number of times, doing the exact thing you and i are doing on this rock we call home. another weird thing i think about is that everything goes both ways, like we think of aliens as being human sized creatures, but wouldn't it make sense that they could be minut small and exist millions of times smaller than a cell for example? then i go back to the old episode of "kids in the hall" "i'm squishing your head, i'm squishing your head" except i go, "i'm squishing your universe, i'm squishing your universe" Peace
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I ran across this webiste: www.skepticsannotatedbible.com. I browsed through some of it's interpretations of the Bible, both Old and New Testament. I have yet to verify the veracity of the interpreter's 'opnions'. Thought, he doesn't paint a pretty picture of (uh) 'God.'
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Re: Why God MUST be real [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
#391815 - 09/11/01 10:21 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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The theory of evolution makes way to much sense for me to believe in some higher being or whatever. I personally can believe that we evolved from single-celled bacteria (eukaryotic cells, archaebacteria, whatever it is). Evolution is a rather simple theory that people get confused about a little too easy, I just think it makes more sense than "god".
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Re: Why God MUST be real [Re: pyromaniac]
#391887 - 09/11/01 11:32 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Except for the fact that you have no idea why anything is here for those "simple" things to happen. How did something come out of nothing???? You tell me. Even extreme evolutionists have become Zions after going so deep into it, because they see the truth.
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Re: Why God MUST be real [Re: CACA]
#392235 - 09/12/01 10:35 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Evolution has nothing to say about the origin of life. That's something called abiogenesis which is better left to biochemists rather than biologists.
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Re: Why God MUST be real [Re: zetek]
#392405 - 09/12/01 02:05 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, I was trying to tell that to the other guy. He is trying to say that he would rather believe in evolution than some higher power, but those are two different issues.
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Re: Why God MUST be real [Re: CACA]
#392709 - 09/12/01 07:15 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Even so, abiogenesis can be plausibly explained by biochemists. It doesn't take a god to cause life. Or a lot of other phenomena. The "God of the Gaps" has a piss-poor record. Humanity has a tendency to attribute things that it doesn't understand to a/ god(s). That/those god(s) keep getting pushed farther and farther back into corners as we dissect and understand the universe.
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Re: Why God MUST be real [Re: zetek]
#392769 - 09/12/01 08:06 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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If they are being pushed farther back in your mind, it is because you haven't or don't want to see the connections. You tell me how there was nothing and then there was something. Do you think that there was nothing anywhere and then there was something- anything?? Not any "life" in particular, just anything. Do you really think that that anything just CAME ? "Something just came to be." Thats what you're saying? Explain it any way you want. Understand things in ways that you want to. Go ahead. Tell me now why these prophecies are coming true and how they could be true, but the message cannot be. Tell me how, now. Read what is going on in the world. Read how it was foretold. Don't be blind and full of yourself in your knowledge. You will run into new secrets. Darwin finds out about evolution and immediately man wants to use it to sever his ties to God and accountability. Today, evolution is not a valid argument to raise when discussing whether or not God exists. So will any new findings end up, eventually.
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Re: Why God MUST be real [Re: CACA]
#392966 - 09/12/01 11:09 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe there is no time, and time is only the apparation of different possible paths along configuration space, and it just so happens that this configuration space path is one that has "snapshots" of other configuration spaces in our nervous systems, giving us the impression of time. So, the instant is not in time, but time is in the instant.
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Re: Why God MUST be real [Re: Kid]
#393245 - 09/13/01 10:22 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Keep trying to get out of it. Yours and other humans efforts were also inevitable. There is no time if you want there to not be time. We, however live by time. It doesn't matter. Whether or not a person believes they are living by time or not, what was said will happen, whether it happens in time or in an instant or if you feel that you're outside of time when it happens or whatever.
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Re: Why God MUST be real [Re: CACA]
#393327 - 09/13/01 12:17 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do you think that there was nothing anywhere and then there was something- anything??
Sounds good enough to me. I'm sure as hell not going to complicate the matter by assuming there had to be some big, pre-existing ghost in order for the universe to exist. Where'd the ghost come from?
Occam's Razor: One should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed.
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Tell me now why these prophecies are coming true and how they could be true, but the message cannot be.
What prophecies?
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Darwin finds out about evolution and immediately man wants to use it to sever his ties to God and accountability.
If someone wants to toss their religion or their accountability, they don't need Charles Darwin to do that.
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Today, evolution is not a valid argument to raise when discussing whether or not God exists.
I'm aware of that; I'm not the one that raised it. I simply responded when I was cited as being knowledgeable of evolutionary biology.
The "god of the gaps" concept is useful however, in pointing out to theists that just because we don't know the mechanism of something, it does not necessitate the existance of a god to explain it.
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Re: Why God MUST be real [Re: zetek]
#393338 - 09/13/01 12:30 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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You won't "complicate" matters? Its all you want to do. Science is the one that has brought complication. Why were you not aware of this?
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Re: Why God MUST be real [Re: zetek]
#393340 - 09/13/01 12:38 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you want to be a robot, then you can say that Occam's Razor is going to run your life. You can make many "assumptions", but if you make the one that matters most, it is the only thing that matters. If you have no soul, Occam's Razor works with the argument. I didn't say that you brough it up. I brought up the fact that the evolution excuse for putting off God is now useless and that is a model for the rest of "breakthroughs". If you have no conscience, you can call believing in God an assumption, but to a person who is ready to accept the truth, it is not. You are only serving what your brain wants, which is very impressionable in this day. What about the rest of you? You have other parts to you. That's like saying that a person doesn't want to live just to live and instead living for their number 2, their quality of existence - i.e. pleasures. We are not cats. We are, however, humans.
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Re: Why God MUST be real [Re: Shroomph]
#393349 - 09/13/01 12:44 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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"There is definetly a god!!"
--Me while shroomin
Humans are self-conscious, but apes are not, so when was the EXACT instant where non-self-consciousness became self consciousness? what happened at the precise monent?
thats what i want to know
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