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OfflineWeirdShroomer
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Re: Could God Forgive the devil? [Re: Swami]
    #610711 - 04/17/02 11:51 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Eve pick from tree of knowledge


Look like Amanita Muscaria

CACA do you eat mushrooms?


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Re: Could God Forgive the devil? [Re: WeirdShroomer]
    #610716 - 04/17/02 12:02 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I did forget to mention Mother Earth didn't I? All love and compassion for the Earth which sustains us and the Sun that keeps her going.


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InvisibleMeltingPenguin
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Re: Could God Forgive the devil? [Re: WeirdShroomer]
    #610728 - 04/17/02 12:11 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

the old testiment is soooo stupid. lol, adam and eve, lol, its funny how some people are so dumb they actually beleive in such mediocre fables. lol

judisum(and its mutant spawn christianity) has got to be the most uninteresting religion of all time.


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OfflineLOBO
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Re: Could God Forgive the devil? [Re: Swami]
    #610771 - 04/17/02 01:01 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

It is not swamiland, because I don't belive in every thing and I am more skeptic that you can imagine, is that I am not into a crusade to negate every thing ether, I believe in moderation, for example I don't believe most of the stuff that shromisim says, because I haven't experience what he claims to have experience, but I respect his opinions and who knows may be as crazy as it sounds to me there is always a possibility that he could be unto something.
On the other hand I probably think more like you with one big difference, I as well as you (for what you told me) been in mystical schools, and with so called "masters" etc, and my bubble of fantasy has been broken, but the fantasy of reason is also a dead end, I don't clamed to know the truth or they way, and I barely know what I am doing in life, but at my level I feel has to be with personal experiences.
Now please don't get offended, I fell you are to polarize on the other end of the spectrum, and is because of the same disillusion, but you went to the other end and left no room for other possibilities, what I mean is not to say yes but also not to say No right away let it unfold.
And also you have to let people have there fantasy so the can get the lesson of disillusion.
Just my humble opinion.
Peace.


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Could God Forgive the devil? [Re: LOBO]
    #610783 - 04/17/02 01:13 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

And also you have to let people have there fantasy so the can get the lesson of disillusion.
They already have their fantasy whether or not I "let them". Perhaps I am the instrument of disillusionment. When is the right time for disillusionment? Is not now a good time? Why is later better?


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Re: Could God Forgive the devil? [Re: MeltingPenguin]
    #610797 - 04/17/02 01:27 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

heheh just check the moses
hes crazy as hell



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Re: Could God Forgive the devil? [Re: Swami]
    #610832 - 04/17/02 02:07 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Think how it happen to you? I bet no one change your mind but an event did.
Is not a matter of time you are ready when you are ready, I left false masters, but I know members that are still there even after showing them proof, they will look away, that?s
When I realize you can?t change no one, and I am not supposed to change anyone, we all have to figured it out on our own, some of us have to travel on the wrong path, or hit our head against the wall in order to wake up.
I feel a part of you has a good intention in your comments but you have a part that your ego takes over, and you become very sarcastic, and puts down people in that way you are not helping them because they will negate you even more, and to think you are the instrument or the savior is the ego talking, we all have the two sides I myself had my ego take over and reacted bad against you for that I apologize.
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Re: Could God Forgive the devil? [Re: LOBO]
    #611231 - 04/17/02 09:35 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I believe that people talk with God on a daily basis. That is what is called prayer. I don't believe anyone who says that they have spoken with God if what they tell me of the experience is not true. You are not speaking to God if you talk to "mother earth". Those false religions that attempt to glorify anyone but Jehovah Jireh are from the great whore, Babylon, who will be destroyed by her own peers, and they will lead you to the second death without question. You can turn away from them. They are not your friends. Read the Bible and know the Living God.

For the scoffers- it is nothing less than a prophecy that you are fulfilling in your ignorance and pride.

Its also not about CYA. It is about accepting and appreciating the Love of God, to Whom all the glory belongs.
Many will be called and few will saved. This message was made for anyone who would listen. This message went from 12 disciples into the rest of the world and was declared the national religion of the same empire that destroyed the walls of the second Temple of Solomon.


Israel reestablished Ezekiel 37
Rise of Russia Ezekiel 38-39
Capital and Labor Conflict James 5: 1-6
Increase in travel and knowledge Daniel 12:4
Apostasy prominence 2 Timothy 4: 1-4
Occultism 2 Timothy 4: 3-4
Scoffers 2 Timothy 3: 1-5
Moral Breakdown 2 Peter 3: 1-12
One-World Church Revelation 17
One-World Government Daniel 2


There are people all over the world called Missionaries spreading the Gospel. I may have been lucky enough to have had been contacted by one of these. Remember that not everyone is closed-minded. Remember that by labeling me something with many societal implications, like "Fundamental" serves to do nothing but destroy the credibility of a person who is trying to help you, because you really have nothing to say. Remember also that the environment was not only mistreated by Christians, but that that statement is made in ignorance and with implications that you would like to pin the problems of today on Christians, but speak against them even as you are exercising the right to say so in reaping the benefits of their pioneering. Basically, you want to lie to yourself and others to create more reason to support your self-indulgent, slack lifestyle. I, myself, am part of a generation of people, consisting of many different religions, who benefitted from many people from many religions coming together to speak out against ecological castrophies. Those people who don't care about the environment didn't get their callous ideas from Christians, but from many people with a host of different religions. God says that He gave us the earth as our kingdom and the animals as our subjects, but never said to destroy it. As you know, many people have children. Children are subject to their parents. Do, then, you believe that Christians will destroy their children only because they have authority over them?

I don't need earthly knowledge. God our Father in Heaven created the universe fromwhich you collect your knowledge, which will pass.

Notice the emphasis on your own selves. Humble yourselves before God.


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Could God Forgive the devil? [Re: CACA]
    #611240 - 04/17/02 09:49 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I assume as you are a member here, that you trip on mushrooms. Do you share that knowledge openly with your family and church? Did you know that mushroom ingestion as a sacrament came from one of those other religions that you so denigrate?


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Re: Could God Forgive the devil? [Re: CACA]
    #611271 - 04/17/02 10:33 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I believe that people talk with God on a daily basis. That is what is called prayer.

I talk to God when I meditate


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Re: Could God Forgive the devil? [Re: CACA]
    #611391 - 04/18/02 12:57 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Dude, you crack me up, enough with the jokes already, my sides ache.

You remind me of my son when he was five, and we got him to leave a paper plate by the front door with a carrot on it. After he went to bed, my wife chewed the carrot down to a stub and took a big bite out of the paper plate then I put a piece of a 'road apple' on the walkway. Well, he awoke the next morning to find presents under the tree and went out the front door to see what happened. His eyes were like two saucers and he said "Mama, Rudolph, that silly reindeer, he bit the plate!" Man, that was so cute.

Well that was a few years ago and now he doesn't believe in Santa any more. Nobody told him that Santa wasn't real, he figured it out for himself. Do you know how he did it? He looked at Santa's hand writing on the Christmas presents and he noticed that it was suspiciously similar to my wife's.

I don't suppose you see any similarities between various types of propaganda, religious cults, brain washing and these dogmas you keep regurgitating do you? Well, I'll give you a hint. It was all set up to control the masses, read a little history about churches and how in many societies at various times they functioned as governments.

But all those other religions are wrong, false, works of the devil. And you, why you're on the fast track to heaven. Praise the Lord, you are saved and everyone else will be cast into the eternal fires of hell (unless of course they believe exactly like you do). You must feel real superior to all us heathens, huh?

Well me, I don't care. Who in their right mind wants to spend eternity with a bunch of priests, nuns and self righteous bible thumpers listening to harp music? I like warm weather, and I hear winters in hell are like the Bahamas. The hottest women will be there and all the people that know how to party. There won't be any mind numbed religious automatons ringing the doorbell to interrupt me when I'm trying to get into my lady's panties, just so they give me a copy of "The Watchtower" and tell me how I can save myself by becoming just like they are.

Oh, you know my definition of a great whore? One who can suck a golf ball through a garden hose and performs her work gratis.




"One man's theology is another man's belly laugh."
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Re: Could God Forgive the devil? [Re: CACA]
    #611589 - 04/18/02 04:49 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

You don't know God
Indeed !

by the way, in terms of christianity: Mary may be the metaphor of "Mother Earth" that gave birth to the "Son of God".

oh...and Gods are rock stars.

tickets for the last concert of Zeus anyone? come on... Dionysus is playing for support (this always works). and free Aphrodite(Venus) posters for everyone ! (marketing is everything)

allright, it might not be as good as when the band was altogether, but everyone is going for a solo carrier now... (damn Zeus, he wanted all the chicks for himself)

the christian God might sell a lot more, but don't you notice the playback? and....man, he doesn't know how to dance !


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OfflineWeirdShroomer
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Re: Could God Forgive the devil? [Re: CACA]
    #611638 - 04/18/02 06:06 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Ok I figure it...
You don't eat mushrooms.
lol
All I can say is that you are one who need lessons. Try mushrooms and maybe you figure something.

God give earth to us.....yeh right... That's kinda attitude of people who pollute and destroy.
You think that you owe earth and you can do with her what you want.....sometimes I feel shame to be human. Killing in the name of god.
All nature respecting beliefs are from Babylon ? Come on man, you speak nonsense.
Read history, UNDERSTAND others.
Your attitude is what revolt me. You sound like this:
"Regret SINNERS, prey the father or you WILL BURN IN ETERNAL FIRE....
You are stupid if you don't think like me
And you work for devil if you are against me etc etc"
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY RIGHT TO SPEAK LIKE THAT.
What's your purpose to convert young and lost "drug abusers" on this site????
I wear pentacle around my neck (positive symbol and DON'T have anything with Christianity and devil ) and I "worship" Great Mother and Great Father. If I'm gonna burn for that ...ok I don't mind. In any way I will be borne again, and again, and again........I'm immortal.

You think you know the god....
"I am older, older than thought in your species. My Mystic and Magickal

powers have been known by WOmen since thousands of years before Buddha and

Christ. Societies that have followed my rule have lived in harmony with

nature. I can bring the mightiest wars before your eyes, or - show you -

Death. Can show you: certainty (not faith) and peace - unutterable. And I

can give you laughter, joy, and ecstasy - ineffable. Showing the future to

those who dare is nothing: I could place you with the Gods. And my joy is to

see your joy and my ecstasy is in yours. Learning to reproduce my growing

environment you will come to love me. The mushrooms which you see are only

the part of my body dedicated to sex thrills, sunbathing and the communion

with symbiotic species. My true body, hardware for my collective hypermind,

is an underground network of fine fibers, which may cover many acres, grow

for thousands of years, and can have far more connections than even the

human brain. Learning .. thy Way .. you will look upon me with awe and

amazement - FOR I AM THE FLESH OF THE GODS. "



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OfflineWeirdShroomer
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Re: Could God Forgive the devil? [Re: WeirdShroomer]
    #611658 - 04/18/02 07:09 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I just checked the "word" ....
timothy chapter 2
lines 12 and 13
"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence
for Adam was first formed, then Eve etc etc..."

Im male.... but is that mean I can freely beat my girfriend because Im superior..and she is just slut because she lead me to sin ( fucking is sin right? )
Man, this suck.......

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P.S. Im not agains christians Im against converting others by any religion and any person including me and you and him/her


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Re: Could God Forgive the devil? [Re: WeirdShroomer]
    #611680 - 04/18/02 08:19 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I see your point and agree. This verse, though, is referring to order in church meetings. The historical story behind it is that the women didn't speak out in the services but were to share any concerns with their husbands at home and then the husband would speak publically. Its still done in some middle east countries.......
What was happening was that groups of women were yelling from the back rows and disrupting the service......the instruction is to be silent in the service and ask their husbands at home so that order could be restored.
Many ministers today, lack understanding of the context of the verse and use it to push women into sub-serviance.


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Re: Could God Forgive the devil? [Re: Tannis]
    #611693 - 04/18/02 08:46 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I live in east europe....very east...we were 500 years under Otoman ( turkey ) empire...slaves...womans till late didnt have any rights...any.....because of ortodox christianity
Thanks for corecting me
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Re: Could God Forgive the devil? [Re: Swami]
    #611699 - 04/18/02 09:01 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I will bet that he just comes to the forum to save our "souls from damnation" I have seen this type of fanatics before in forums.
I just pray to God, or the Universe that these types of people don't rule the world.


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Re: Could God Forgive the devil? [Re: WeirdShroomer]
    #611838 - 04/18/02 01:08 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Actually, I was agreeing with you and adding information.


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Re: Could God Forgive the devil? [Re: Tannis]
    #612787 - 04/19/02 11:29 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

You assume? Is that a little ice I see melting off, Swami? I don't eat mushrooms, but I can't say I never have. It isn't me who "degenerates" those religions. Rather, it is the followers of the religions who degenerate themselves, because it is God Almighty they are disobeying- and therefore, being faithful to Him, I am against these false beliefs, which bring my brothers and sisters in the the wrong. Alot of accusations fly around toward Christianity- calling it a religion. When Jesus came to earth, he didn't bring a club to which you can become a member, but our Father's Kingdom, to which we are citizens. Broad is the road to destruction, but narrow is the path to salvation. God shows His power everyday by keeping His promises, whereas Satan, the father of lies, is constantly trying to destroy you by making you think that you as a human exhibit behavior aside from God, thereby singling out and isolating you, keeping you from God and His salvation. You have not opened your hearts to God, but have closed them and not answered His knocking. What does accusing all of Christianity of misdeeds going to do? Who are you trying to convince that Christianity is bad? Yourselves. You don't want to change- and that is fine, but you know its wrong. Since no human has much power, you must bow your head to the one true God above, and ask Him to change you, aknowledging that you cannot do it yourself.

As for the religion of Islam and clashes between their people and ours, let me offer some insight: Allah is not God. Allah was a pagan idol-one of about 360 or so, I believe. All of these idols were in existence before Muhammed, but he came and said that Allah, pagan god of the moon, should be worshipped above all the other ones. Islam is not a true religion of the one Living God, but a product of the great whore, Babylon. Sadly, Muslims do not know this. However, God has said that because certain people have built themselves of persecution, hatred, fear and lies, their walls will crumble suddenly and quickly. The truth about allah is getting around.

The feelings that you would like to pin to me, I know, are not your fault, but the devil's fault who is trying to work against God, who is trying to save you. Therefore, I don't hold it against you at all. I don't feel like I am above anyone. Neither do I have to feel that way. I know that God can change you, because He is almighty. I have faith in the Lord, who is God. I have already told you before that alot of you who are against God and His righteousness are lacking in it and wishing to continue in your self-serving and self-centered, immature lives. The idea of change upsets you and that is alright. Ask God to change you, because you cannot do it yourself. Satan even has you accepting your fate ! Do not do this!!

The devil wants you to believe that you can escape God by turning to another religion and believing the lie that there is something outside of the one true God. It works, because the devil preys on your weaknesses, which is the flesh. You sure do know how to worship yourself and try to glorify yourself, don't you? Don't you see that you cannot be outside of God's plan? You are part of His plan. At this moment, you are deceived, but you don't have to be.

I would not beat a woman, and Jesus says that you should treat others as you would like to be treated.
I don't know alot about sex and sinning, but I'm sure that giving in to lust by having sex out of wedlock is a sin. The Bible also talks about male prostitutes, calling them "dogs", so don't suffer under the new trend, which is to live in woe of being a man, feeling sorry for yourself because of things you are accused of being.
I bet alot of ministers have an understanding of the verses and context thereof which is far greater than your understanding, because their understanding comes from God. The very first Christians were the disciples. Those disciples never beat on women. They never even spoke about women in how they should live in subservience. One woman washed Jesus' feet with her most expensive oils and perfumes when He came into her house. His disciples saw her and told her not to do that. Jesus said that she was doing a good deed and added to that the fact that they had never done that for Him. Woman or man, God is Love. Women should resist the devil when he tempts them the same way men should resist the devil. May God touch your hearts and show you the error in your ways and bring you to salvation. You don't know what you are missing. Humble yourselves before God and have faith in the All-powerful One, to Whom all the glory belongs. Have good days.

Is the new server up? This things going alot faster. God bless you all and to Him be the glory and praise.


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Re: Could God Forgive the devil? [Re: CACA]
    #612928 - 04/19/02 03:04 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Your fanatic vision of god scares me more than the devil.


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