Quick Blaze said:

The devil is now working overtime becase he knows his time is coming to an end and he will try to gather as many followers as he can. All he can do is try and " play god" until the time comes and he is casted away into the bottomless pit and the new world will come....cast away the fear of the devil by loving one another which will ultimately destroy him

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As I spend a lot of time here at the Shroomery (now, in this forum mostly), I consider you all to be an extended family of sorts, just as everyone else here on the earth....  I would do what I could to save ANY family member of mine so I could continue to enjoy the wonderful personallities in the afterlife of eternity known as HEAVEN....  It is of selfless intentions that I try to find ways to let someone (of how I used to think) of "LOGIC" scientific proof thinking, or Black/White thinking, to find ways to WANT to seek this "knowledge" for yourself with OPEN MIND, OPEN EARS, and OPEN HEART....   

As I have come to the "realization",
"Heaven" is a part of YOU, it IS fully encompassing and perfectly attainable in your LIFE -- Right HERE, Right NOW on Earth as it is in HEAVEN....  Just as the choice to consider your existance to be in a place of suffering thru FEAR, DOUBT or HELL, Right Here, Right Now....  It is all of one's free choice, and/or finding that FAITH in the face-off with fear itself....    Do YOU live in FEAR...?  It is because YOU live life in DOUBT....  You just *have* to find Peace and Unconditional Love by letting go of fear itself with the exceptance within your heart for GOD in this life, so you can enjoy that eternal peace in the afterlife -as opposed to eternal suffering, doubt and fear.... 

One CAN condition themself as a self perceived "master" of A Disciplined Consciousness, to intermittenly cast out fear and suffering by the Perceived "removing" of feeling and emotions as "becoming" nuetral to a true spirituality of the Devine....  It is to be noted that this is a pure disciplin of the mind, and NOT to be considered to be TRUE Spirituality....  For the doubt and fear IS still there, as this mental conditioning is not a permenent "fix" of the EGO....  One CAN attain an instant Purging of the EGO....  This, as I have truly experienced myself, is 100% possible thru the acceptance of Jesus Christ our Lord GOD into our hearts....

The bringers of DOUBT and FEAR to instill in others are the ones who suffer in their own self induced HELL, because they cannot look past that very suffering - be it mental or physical....  Perhaps lead by the evil forces themselves unknowingly embracing that to which they call the SUFFERING that they allow to plague and rule their lives, Right HERE, Right NOW, as it is a CHOICE....   

It is not of SCIENCE that can prove anything, as FEELINGS of the Heart, or MATTERs of the Heart cannot be scientifically measured with scientific measurement tools, created by MAN....  That of Science, or SCIENTIFIC nature can't even prove science itself, as THEORIES are just that, or more of a theoretical DISTRACTION of EVIL as created by Design by the inherent EVIL Influences of ORIGNAL SIN....  It seems that intelligence is that of a CURSE to mankind....  You either choose to Believe in them, or you don't....  That is a simple and SOLID FACT, as mankind tries to understand the oddities and ~*Wonders*~ that of the Universe we all live in, otherwise known as the UNIVERSE and the HEAVENS were created by GOD....

So, would you consider your current Belief and/or Faith to be something of what man created thru interpretation of speculative perception and expressed ideas of "measurables" and "theories" thru the wonders of cognitive creativeness, or are you able to see past that of an imperfect "staind" man plagued with that of EVIL and SIN as inherent parts of our very existance, and see that GOD did breath LIFE itself into YOU at the beggining of YOUR very LIFE....


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"This is pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father, to visit the orphans and widows in their distress,
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James 1:27....  This is a quote from the Bible I received this from a trusted friend yesterday, perhaps for this very thread.... 
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You *should* not be leading your very meaning of life in the ways of man made knowledge (as to be a distraction for the thinking, intelligent minds of this world), and go with the Pure Instictual Feelings of the Heart....   For *most* people, There is a Strong Bond with that and SPIRIT of FAMILY....    If that family bond is kept ALIVE and NURTURED as expressed by FEELINGS of the LOVE that you feel for those members, one can have the CAPACITY to let one's self also use the HEART in living Family to help create a RELATIONSHIP with that of GOD....

How does Science Measure SPIRIT of one's LIFE....?  It can't, just as GOD cannot be measured with scientific tools created by MAN....  As GOD can only be "Measured" by that of one's relationship with GOD in the HEART thru FEELINGS and eMOTIONS --to which also cannot be measured by anyone other than yourself....


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KNOWLEDGE, THE EVIL cursed TEMPTATION that serves to be the "Wolf in Sheeps Clothing", as it was attained thru ORIGINAL SIN.... 
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KNOWLEDGE, as developed and created by MAN, serves to put DOUBT in the pure INSTINCT and FEELINGS of the heart, and FULLY effects the most ULTIMATE of FREE CHOICES that MANKIND is inherently born with.... 
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The writtings of the Bible do not change, unless an IGNORANT and ARROGANT MAN chooses to DEFILE that of the DEVINE thru "interpretation, or actual re-writing....  All other religions were created by MAN to serve as an alternate DISTRACTION to that to which is REAL.... 


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Just consider for a moment....  What if I am right....?  What IF....
I am lead by my HEART a selfless intentions, a soldier of GOD as it were,
to perhaps cast out the fear doubt instilled by the inherent EVIL that all choose to let reside within us.... 
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Just consider for a moment....  What if I am right....?  What IF....
If I am not, you will have lost nothing.... 
If I am right and you realize this yourself, you will understand what HEAVEN is RIGHT NOW, within your very heart....


Question...:  To what are the intents that guide my hands to type this stuff....?   
Answer...:  It is the full selfless intentions of helping others find the HEAVEN that fully resides within yourself.... 


Live everyday like it is your LAST, because it just may be....


ME....






Dream Theater, from "Train of Thought"
Song:  As I AM....


For those who understand, I extend my hand....
For the DOUBTFUL I COMMAND, Take me as I AM....
NOT under your command, I know where I stand...
I won't CHANGE to fit YOUR plan, Take me as I AM....


Question...:  Why would I sit here and step on the toes of all other personal beliefs not pertaining to GOD....?   
Answer...:  Perhaps I just know what is RIGHT thru my now PURE UNSTAIND feeling in my heart of HEARTS as filled with the PURE LOVE of GOD....

Again, I am NOT doing this for me....  It is Pure TrUth....  <===And the heart of "Truth" is YOU....

Psychoactive1984 said:

One thread is enough for me today
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I'll get back to ya.
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If their was a god I wouldn't have to though. 

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Is one thread enough....?  That would be a matter of personal perception....     
Thank you for getting back to me, twice, or, three times total....(?) 
and, I don't understand the last comment, wouldn't have to what....?    You don't have to do anything, it is ALL free choice, you don't even have to read these very words, but I thank you for reading what you did read....   
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Psychoactive1984 said:

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If knowledge really was the issue at hand and what caused all of this sin... wouldn't it be better that drugs remained legal then as they supposedly cause brain damage, halitosis, delusions, hemorages, flautence, upset stomach, etc...? Yet... for some reason most of those that are tied in with government are espousing that drugs are to remain illegal including most of those with religious orientation... seems to me that if you guys are all in line with intelligence as a sin... we should be passing those drugs out as they cause the human mind to lose it's capacity to think.

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WHOAAA....!     It was never knowledge that caused any sin  -except for Orignal Sin (remember, they ate from the tree of "KNOWLEDGE"....?)  And even "Knowledge" is different than "Intelligence" - to which you even changed the context again (#2)....  You will certainly see if you read that I never said that at all....    Knowledge(to which I stated was a "evil curse of temptation" to man) gives us all more choices to be able to freely sin, makes it seem like some sins are "harmless" (deception), and also makes it much more easy to sin with these additional choices....    It still boils down to individual choice -it always has.... 
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I really like the "mark" of symbolism you left up on your post, FIRE is cool....!    Gotta~ love the 18 digitally flaming devils....! 
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The governmental rules/laws started out as fundementally based on the morality of the Bible -for the most part....  But the very signs of religion is slowly getting sucked out of public facilities as people get "offended" by it's very presence for some reason....(?)  Just like some people might get offended by my writing this very thread....(?)    But, I have said really nothing wrong in stating opinions based on my beliefs here for those that wish to veiw and understand my new belief, plus there is the whole "free speach" thing, so.... 
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As far as governmental control (which is not to be confused with MY Spirituality) of drug use, some drugs are legal....  But with society and how it sidesteps a lot of drug laws as a whole already, the "guidlines" that could be set up for the "responsible" person *may* not be followed by the "non-responsible" people....    Responsibility is a choice, and when that responsibility is neglected, the free choice of another might be taken away....    I am still thinking that one out, and may be thought about for some time to come....    There are MANY sides to this coin....
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Psychoactive1984 said:

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As long as intelligence is a sin, we all have no place even discussing it... for we are sinning by virtue of sharing our expression of a sin. /stops sinning for the night.

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Well, you have taken one thing that I did not say and are trying to confuse it with what I actually did say, perhaps....  It was never knowledge that caused any sin  -except for Original Sin....  Sin is ALWAYS about making the wrong choice....  Not sure why you are standing on that point that seemingly was taken out of context....? 
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niteowl said:

Do you believe that people who do not believe that Christ is the Savior will go to "Hell"

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As far as I know to be true in my beliefs as I know them, with what bits and pieces I do know about what is written in the Bible, it says that people who do not believe that Jesus Christ is our Lord GOD and savior, will not be going to Heaven....  I would not be respecting what I believe to be the truth if I did not respect this as written in the Bible....  But hey, my belief is my belief, as your belief is yours....  It is always about an individual person's free choice....  I have asked MANY MANY questions of people that know the Bible looking for a "loophole" when I did not believe about this very question you asked....  As I have been told, playing "ignorant" and NOT casting out doubt is treated the same as someone who is truly evil in their intents....  I found this to be not necessarily "fair" back then, but I understand more about it now, and I would ask, "what in life IS "fair"....?  As before I made my positively life changing CHOICE, I DID lead my life in a mindful, respectful, Loving, "right" way, towards myself and others....  I had thought I was living "saftely", and would still go to Heaven because of that....  Apparently as I have learned, I was wrong in my ignorance and not asking the right questions....  Perhaps for fear that I already knewn the answer to the question, so I kept myself "blind" to the truth (as I know it now)....   
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DNKYD said:

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HEEEEYYYYY....!!!  We got one person in here that is down with Jesus....!   
But please, tell us all what you really think....!   
:::::waits in anticipation::::: 



ME....

DNKYD said:

Religion is merely a tool to control ignorant masses. It divides, not unites. It's a disease to humanity. Free yourself from the bondage you have called "salvation" and learn to think freely. Fairy tales and myths are good as bedtime stories for little kids, nothing more. Learn from the mistakes of those who have passed and rise above these lies.

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Now that statement will surely place you in hell.

1) Don't think... listen
2) Don't question
3)  you've lost your Sin

The reason why I made such a big deal of intelligence/knowledge is due to the fact that you made such a large issue of its inherent evil by way of speaking of the original sin. In which case you are sinning atm by espousing your knowledge of sin... Let's all close our minds, and stop sinning... It'll make us feel better...

/end facetious rant

Anyhow, I'd much rather be a shepard then a sheep. If you place yourself in all of that symbology, then follow the shepard's that are the wolf's. Like I've mentioned in my previous posts, I've nothing to gain from this, and a hell of a lot to recieve negatively.

PhanTomCat said:

Belief in Jesus Christ our Lord GOD to be YOUR very Salvation....
The writtings of the Bible do not change, unless an IGNORANT and ARROGANT MAN chooses to DEFILE that of the DEVINE thru "interpretation, or actual re-writing....  All other religions were created by MAN to serve as an alternate DISTRACTION to that to which is REAL.... 

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*BUZZ* WRONG!

The bible as you know it has changed so many times... I can provide you with historical evidence. So basically you're asserting that a changed Bible that hasn't changed is the true Bible? 

Beyond that... get off you religionist notions (racism, racist: religionism, religionist).

That could, and most likely is by some parties on theses forums taken as a flame. Thanks for asserting your divine truth. 

/sigh

Anyhow, I suggest you look up the other post about Crist as your salvation... I've provided links and several forms of evidence detailing the changes made to the bible througout history... some shortly after Christ's arrival. Beyond that... please, drop this dogma, you're only huting yourself. Unless you have an original copy of the bible before it was altered... that one time... (it's been altered a lot  )... then please, continue to espouse your beliefs about the Bible being a superior religion containing the "ultimate truth" and further... share your original documents with us.

DNKYD said:

Parallels between the lives of Jesus and Horus

Christianity was created by man, as was every mythological belief structure that you call religion. It was a copy from a few different religions that were prevalent at the time. It may be a real good story, but it's not a good REAL story.

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JCoke... you can be daft as you want to believe... the facts speak for themselves.. I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm not trying to change your opinion.. I'm trying to show you the root of your belief.

You can look at it objectively, and close off your subjective beliefs... or you can continue to be subjective and be inspired by dogma. Make sure you review all sites... I'm sorry, I know the belief in Horus, and all the correlations presented, as well as the historical significance + the fact that it was written well before JC's inception might seem to be a bit off...

Also read the footnotes of Christ as well please... even more blatant explanation... If you wish I'll help you decode it.

As far as God and Jesus changing their nature... you need only to read the Bible... it need not to be taken out of context in any form... The Bible speaks for itself... unless these are just minor blunders "lost in translation" as it were.

JCoke said:

"And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, 'Take these things hence; make not my Father's house a house of merchandise.'" (John 2:14-16)

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From fearfect in the previously mentioned thread:
Jos 6:1 Now Jericho was straitly shut up because of the children of Israel: none went out, and none came in.
Jos 6:2 And the LORD said unto Joshua, See, I have given into thine hand Jericho, and the king thereof, and the mighty men of valour.
Jos 6:3 And ye shall compass the city, all ye men of war, and go round about the city once. Thus shalt thou do six days.
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Jos 6:16 And it came to pass at the seventh time, when the priests blew with the trumpets, Joshua said unto the people, Shout; for the LORD hath given you the city.
Jos 6:17 And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent.
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Jos 6:19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD.
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Jos 6:24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD.


Change of heart? Or an ancient belief contradicting itself? 

Or is the LORD picky as to what he values?

/wonders why an omniscient being that is capable of everything would require a treasury.

Guess I'd need to be one.... damn those "mysterious ways".

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Their are several accounts of Horus... all older then the Bible. Beyond that, you can read whichever version that supports your belief... or you can be objective and look to history.