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 Re: Does God Exist? part one  [Re: MentalHygene]
#544855 - 02/08/02 12:59 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why don't you actually do some research on other religions? The one and only God, that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam teach to worship are all the same God. The periods in which the messengers taught the religion were far apart, by centuries. Even today in Western society, people believe in God but don't follow his way. They have it set in their mind that "God is love" so they do what they want. The existance of God, or the use of the word is a direct result of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. God cannot be disproved or proven; that's the genius part of religion. It's up to you to believe. If there was proof, everyone would be religious, and life would hardly be a test for the righteous. In the West, following God is a lifestyle. In the old world, following God is life. Why is religion lost in the west? Two reasons: The presence of freedom, and various flaws in Christianity and the contradictions in the Bible. This combination has resulted in the western society we see today. If any of you read the Koran, you would find that Islam makes alot more sense than Christianity. Religion, is an obvious logic what the Creator of everything would do if he decided to make little creatures with self-awareness and the ability to do good or evil. The presence of Jesus, Moses, Muhammad, Abraham, Joseph, etc. in the past is even more reason to accept faith. But unfortunately, too many people are victims of their own society.
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 Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: Zahid]
#544863 - 02/08/02 01:05 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thank you for supposing that I know nothing of other religions, I surely appreciate it! Jumping to conclusions is always a great thing to do. Religious studies is my hobbie, and I happen to realize that they are all one god. My point of this post was just to get people into conversation, so they could possibly see different wievpoints. Obviously we have seen yours. thanks!
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: Zahid]
#544872 - 02/08/02 01:12 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just a side note: Your quote, "There is no god but allah, and muhammed is his messenger" kind of contradicts your statment of All of the gods are one. Very obviously Christians do not believe that their God is called Allah. Their God also has extremely different characteristics. Also you come with a very biased opinion towards Islam. This might be more productive if you were not preaching! thanks again
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: MentalHygene]
#544874 - 02/08/02 01:14 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Then you should know that religion isn't about fear and guilt. I pay my zakat, it's a duty as a Muslim. Donations to mosques and Islamic centers too. Why do you say it's about fear and guilt? Yes, you must fear God, for he is your Creator. To fear him, shows that you know he is greater than anything else. But guilt? No. God brings peace into the heart that is unmatched by any other happiness in this life. If you experienced God in your heart, you will see. Yes, many Christians view Islam as a false religion because of the use of the word "Allah". Allah is Arabic for God. Many Arab Christians call God Allah. Alot of that reply was also directed to zero as well.
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
#544881 - 02/08/02 01:20 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Arch_Templar: How does Islam explain the different ethnic groups? Well, the first human tribes grew bigger. Over time, humans spread out all over the earth. Their appearance is a result of the environment they live in. Africans are very dark because they live near the equator, as with Arabs in southern Arabia. In Northern Africa, the people are alot lighter. And then you're more north, near Europe and Russia where everyone is white. I hope this enlightens you.
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: Zahid]
#544889 - 02/08/02 01:26 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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I really don't know why you are caught up in the conflict with Christianity!! I never claimed to be suppoorting them. And you prove my point: I highly doubt that Allah told the leaders of your church that you have to pay to be a good Muslim. Also if you did not feel guilt why would you pay? No one needs a 30 million dollar building to show their love to god -Allah. By making you believe that it is your "duty", they are instilling guilt in you wether you see it or not.
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: Zahid]
#544891 - 02/08/02 01:29 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Zahid: Fear is like fearing judgment and suffering. Reverence, respect, and humbleness are better. Even if it was not meant for anybody, you're still superimposing [[insert your fav God being]] into the objective domain: everybody.
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: MentalHygene]
#544892 - 02/08/02 01:29 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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The zakat is one of the five pillars of Islam: Paying charity to the needy. Muhammad taught that it is your level of faith in God and good deeds that get you into Heaven. I pay charity to my mosque as a good deed, not out of guilt.
Arch_Templar: God is greater than... he is greater than everything, that is why he must be feared. But he is also the Merciful, the Compassionate, and the Sustainer. Of course, every Muslim fears Hell at one point. That is why we obey God, so we no longer fear the Fire, nor do we fear Judgement.
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: Zahid]
#544898 - 02/08/02 01:33 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Zahid: Ethnicity of each culture is very distinct with phsyical characteristics. YOu're telling me (Asian) I originated from Israelites?
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: Zahid]
#544905 - 02/08/02 01:38 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Arch_Templar: God is greater than... he is greater than everything, that is why he must be feared. But he is also the Merciful, the Compassionate, and the Sustainer. Of course, every Muslim fears Hell at one point. That is why we obey God, so we no longer fear the Fire, nor do we fear Judgement.
Be careful about how you claim God is "greater than everything." The moment you speak of such, you speak of no truth. It's Egoism at it's finest..
Fear? Then I do not fear God, guess I won't discover the fruits of his generosity
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
#544906 - 02/08/02 01:39 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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They have different features because of their environment (including Oriental people, the people of Eastern Asia). They developed their own cultures over time as well. This should make sense to most people, even non-religious folks.
Arch Templar, this topic is called "Does God Exist", and thus I'm stating my opinion. I don't preach Islam unless the topic persists. (i.e., the recent "Is Jesus the son of God?" topic). It isn't egoism at all. All Muslims believe that God is greater than everything because He is. He created everything.
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
#544907 - 02/08/02 01:42 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey Zahid, could you explain to me more clearly what Zakat is. Once I read that Zakat is similar to a tax. A tax that demands one fourth of all revenue. Is this true? If so do you pay every day, at the end of the year? When do you get double taxed for your belongings. Because zakat includes belongings, not just revenue, right? Just curious
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: nugsarenice]
#544909 - 02/08/02 01:45 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Zakat, one of the pillars of Islam, is the duty to pay 2.5 of your annual income to the poor and needy. By not doing this, it is a sign of greed because it is generally not alot of money (the Zakat).
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: Zahid]
#544911 - 02/08/02 01:49 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's a nutty claim unless you can provide more detail information. The environemnt has nothing to do with ethnic distinction [facial characteristics].
Well, I'm countering your opinion through godlessness.. 
EDIT: I forgot to add: I fail to see the connection since the arrival of pilgrims to nother america that was dominated by indians. you don't see generations upon generations of pilgrims turning into indians, do you?
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: Zahid]
#544912 - 02/08/02 01:49 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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2.5 percent? That does not seem like alot of money. So when can a new prophet come, and raise taxes?
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: nugsarenice]
#544916 - 02/08/02 01:53 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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As far as his statements, I can only state what I have read from recent chinese/american anthropoligy studies. Skull dates have led researchers to believe that the first human life was african. Africans migrated north creating middle eastern and european culture. From these the asians were descended. So no you are not descended from israeli persay, because that is from a different migrational pattern.
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: nugsarenice]
#544919 - 02/08/02 01:55 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Arch_Templar: It isn't a nutty claim, it's a logical claim. Over hundreds of thousands of years, each race gradually developes its own characteristics.
Nugsarenice: Muhammad was the final prophet from God.
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: Zahid]
#544927 - 02/08/02 01:58 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bollocks.. the claim is not even anthropological but theological association.. which means you got little for data to help you..
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: nugsarenice]
#544931 - 02/08/02 02:02 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ya know where I could look this up? Thanks
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
#544933 - 02/08/02 02:03 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Show your data then.
I have my views, you have yours.
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