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#548461 - 02/11/02 10:50 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thank you for the info, and insight into the religion! I am truly glad that you have found happiness. I am glad that you are willing to respond without bias.
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: MentalHygene]
#548676 - 02/12/02 07:51 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know that I'm not infinite, but I believe I will continue to exist now that I have come into existence.
In the story of Lucifer, he believed he could be infinite when he said, ..."I will ascend on high...I will be like the most high God...." (paraphrased)
That incident kind-of ended badly for everyone....
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: Zahid]
#548770 - 02/12/02 10:08 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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i ask again...
have you sought admission to a sufi (dervish) circle ?
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: Tannis]
#549052 - 02/12/02 02:24 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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I definately understand your main point. I am, however unclear on what you think about where you go. Where do you think you will end up? I guess that is my question.
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: MentalHygene]
#549587 - 02/13/02 12:51 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, God does NOT exist.
And I have to comment on this from the first page...
"If God didn't create Adam and Eve, Then Who did"
They did not exist! They are not real people you goof.
And just think about this..
If we all came from 2 people... We would be the most retarded people in the Universe right now since we would all be FUCKING RED NECK INCESTUOUS IMBREEDING SONS OF BITCHES. I guess God Promotes lots and LOTS of Incest and imbreeding eh? Since Adam and eve fucked, their sons/daughters must have fucked as well. God Promotes incest!!! Same thing happened when Noah went on his arc with his family! INCEST ALL AROUND! Wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Isn't that a sin???????
Explain that one.....
Oh yea baby! A whole lot of Imbreeding goin' on!!!
GOD PROMOTES INCEST AND IMBREEDING!!! GO FUCK YOUR SISTERS AND BROTHERS YOU CHRISTIAN RETARDS, is that why your all so stupid?
Because you have sex with your blood relatives and give birth to retards?
I'm going to go to a bar and get laid the way it should be, you can go fuck your daddy.... and suck on your brothers wanker...... Like God wants you to.
yea, that's harsh, but that's how stupid religion is.......
And um, 2 of EVERY Species on a boat? Um.. Yea, good fucking luck.....
And uh, what did they eat on that boat for 40 days and 40 nights... The lions and tigers and bears would eat the other animals.. The insects/spiders would have been squashed and stepped on... And well, it's just fucking impossible to fit EVERY single animal in the world onto a boat for 40 days and 40 nights....
And then all the Incest sex amongst every species on earth including humans...
All the animals would be retarded to!
Remember this everyone: Be a good christian and have sex with blood relatives like God wants you to! He promotes Incest!
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Re: Buddha of Infinite Light and Life [Re: MentalHygene]
#549622 - 02/13/02 01:45 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mr. Hygiene:
In reply to:
Got ya on the humor thing! The question I was refering to is weather or not you view buddhism and Hinduism as real religions.
Oh, I thought that question was for Zahid. I don't belong nor practice any type per say. For now, I can say it's real to the practitioner. Though, there are the dangers of enculteration, one being: Ethocentricity.
Oh yeah, you're confusing me with Zahid!!
Zahid:
In reply to:
Are you still talking Arch_Templar?
MentalHygene: Allah is Merciful, and surely those who are Buddhist and Hindu who have never learned the basics of Islam, well be granted Paradise as well, for Islam states that the other religions were also a message from God to call upon a righteous life. But overtime, the messages changed drastically. God will judge by what you know. But upon discovering Islam, and realizing its sincere truth, he should convert and become a Muslim because it is considered the final message of Allah, in the readings of Muhammad (peace be upon him). I became a Muslim about 10 months ago when I started to read about world religions, I became very interested in Islam and my heart felt it.
I'm here..
Welp, tracing the source of non-islamic traditions back to Allah is grasping for straws. If you don't have any comparisons, it's not much of an assertion? I've come across a channeller for Melora who states:
Yes. Buddha was. Mohammed, however, was not. So the divinity Allah is not Yahweh, is not a Christed Being, is not of the Order of Melchizedek. [Allah] came in not as a creator god but to kind of test the waters of his power. He did not create that race. If you remember, Iran was called "Arya," which is where you get "Aryan," and so Persion/Farsi is part of the Indo-European languages. Arabic came much later into their language and into religious influence as a result of Arab conquest.
The full article is here: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/3365/Yahweh1.html
About Paradise: Mahayana traditions of East Asia, from 480 BC, is dominated by Ch'an with two great sects:
Zen of Japan
Pure Land (Amidism) of China
Pure Land has been sitting under my nose for years until yesterday when I visited one of the temples. From my first impression, it is similar to God-based traditions since Amitabha is revered as a transcended Buddha. His err sidekick is Quan Yin, another transcended Buddha. My understanding is:
Amitabha created a domain called "Western Paradise." The faith emphasize meditation, recitating his sutra, following the wisdom of Eigthfold Path, and the goal to be reborn in his domain. There are two aspects of this paradise:
Transcendental. The practitioner is reborn into a realm of bliss, all his/her karmic dues are washed clean if it was not done so in life.
Transitional. The practitioner is there to learn and attained Enlightenment before he/she incarnates back to Earth.
The conditions of acceptance into WP are flexible:
1. Accepts anyone
2. Intent of wanting Amitabha's help
3. Attempts to follow the precepts of EP
4. Final intent at the moment of death
This is the least ethocentric tradition I've seen to date. I need to do more reading.
My idea about your faith: It's called frequency of affinity [ethos]. The frequency is latent potential that lies in your unconscious via ego manifesting as you follow this tradition.
af?fin?i?ty (-fn-t)
n. pl. af?fin?i?ties
A natural attraction, liking, or feeling of kinship.
Relationship by marriage.
An inherent similarity between persons or things. See Synonyms at likeness.
Biology. A relationship or resemblance in structure between species that suggests a common origin.
Immunology. The attraction between an antigen and an antibody.
Chemistry. An attraction or force between particles that causes them to combine.
And..
e?thos (ths)
n.
The disposition, character, or fundamental values peculiar to a specific person, people, culture, or movement: ?They cultivated a subversive alternative ethos? (Anthony Burgess).
First, so speaking from the above meanings, I see a connection as a frequency. It is the way we are 'tuned' to certain faiths, certain resonance that's not defined within reason or facts. When I mentioned Unconscious Egos:
"Only after I had familiarized myself with alchemy did I realize that the unconscious is a process, and that the psyche is transformed or developed by the relationship of the ego to the contents of the unconscious."
- C. G. Jung; Memories, Dreams, Reflections: P. 209"
Second, I made a notion on Jung's theory that our individuation process in 'faith' manifests from the unconscious via the ego. You are not necessarily aware of the process happening directly unless you have the awareness to observe it indirectly.
Third, since the potential of the frequency is there, the person will possibly 'tune' out other 'frequencies' irrelevant to the individuation process.
Toodles
ArCh
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 Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: MentalHygene]
#549777 - 02/13/02 07:22 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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I guess that depends on "who is right"..... ( religion wise )....
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Re: Buddha of Infinite Light and Life [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
#550000 - 02/13/02 11:54 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Zylo: Don't bother adding your opinion to this topic, it's worthless, much like yourself.
Arch_Templar: Interesting data. Carl G. Jung is a smart man, but a theory from a single man cannot explain why 1 in 5 people in this world believe in what they believe in. There can be a million theories, but non will completely explain the process of faith, how humans are able to literally go from an animal-like state of self to a righteous and devout one that brings complete peace of mind. Several other Shroomites have mentioned it before, faith cannot be explained. We don't understand the non-believers and why they do what they do, and the non-believers don't understand us, why we do what we do.
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: Zylo]
#550056 - 02/13/02 12:44 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Very valid points here! Maybe a little too much emotion, but hey no one ever said thats not allowed right? Try not to hold these things against them though! (christians) I am not christian myself, but for the majority they are good people regardless of what they believe.
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Re: Buddha of Infinite Light and Life [Re: Zahid]
#550113 - 02/13/02 01:35 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Single man? He was a prodigy of Sigmund Freud. Both psychologists were great contributors of psychology. They both spent their whole lifetime refining the theories. No small undertaking. Jung was the one who studied Eastern mysticism.
I gave you a pertinent psychological impression of faith using Freud/ Jung pyschology. It is a template observable with any believer. Simply put, if you don't have a healthy developed ego, you cease to be a high-functioning human being.
Your reasoning about "million theories...........why we do what do" is circular. Why? You say Allah is the basis of all mysticism, then you say faith cannot be explained fully.. Guess your theory is better than the rest, I suppose.. Though I recognize transformation is an important phase in the process, I treat it no more than phenomenology.
Be mindful of your beliefs or else you become ungrounded..
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: MentalHygene]
#550121 - 02/13/02 01:40 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Actually, I wouldn't mind if Zahid flames that petard! 
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Re: Buddha of Infinite Light and Life [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
#550229 - 02/13/02 03:06 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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You guys are both from the same religion correct? Shouldn't you be able to agree on some things?
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Re: Buddha of Infinite Light and Life [Re: MentalHygene]
#550241 - 02/13/02 03:15 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Err....... No, if you look back in this thread, you'll see I am not aligned with any particular faith. My interests are in Buddhist schools and other Eastern mysticism.
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
#550278 - 02/13/02 03:47 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Arch_Templar: It's just that though, a theory. From one person, who while smart and introverted, thought up a theory about people who have faith while he alone has never truely experienced faith, but only made an analysis.
In reply to:
Single man? He was a prodigy of Sigmund Freud. Both psychologists were great contributors of psychology. They both spent their whole lifetime refining the theories. No small undertaking. Jung was the one who studied Eastern mysticism.
There are many great psychologists, but it doesn't mean all their theories are correct. He studied Eastern mysticism. Does that mean he truely understands it? No. Journalists study Islamic fundamentalism, but that doesn't mean they truely understand the fanatic, why they do what they do. I'm going to have to go ahead and dismiss this theory for a) He has not truely experienced faith, only studied it and made what he thought was an intelligent opinion on the matter. And b) It is just that, a theory. Many people harbour these, smart and average.
In reply to:
I gave you a pertinent psychological impression of faith using Freud/ Jung pyschology. It is a template observable with any believer. Simply put, if you don't have a healthy developed ego, you cease to be a high-functioning human being.
It's an opinion of faith. How would you describe a "high-functioning human being"? It sounds like you're saying the non-believers of organized faith are "elite". You're saying that the believers are "unconscious"? Hah.
Muslims are all different from eachother. Many of them are very intelligent, and all of them are at peace with themselves. Algebra, was invented by Muslims. Muslims became known for being elite in the world of learning and astrology. The Mystics of Islam, the Sufi's, are often wise, introspective, and at complete peace and harmony with life and humanity. Once again, a Prophet who did not know how to read or write, a pious man, came running down from the mountains to Mecca one day calling his people (who were idol-worshippers before Muhammad) to worship the one and only God. Muhammad explained the Moses and Jesus (who had the ability to channel miracles) were also prophets from Allah, the Merciful.
In reply to:
Your reasoning about "million theories...........why we do what do" is circular. Why? You say Allah is the basis of all mysticism, then you say faith cannot be explained fully.. Guess your theory is better than the rest, I suppose.. Though I recognize transformation is an important phase in the process, I treat it no more than phenomenology.
Transformation? Faith would not do anything to interupt this. This theory that faith has to be overlooked in order to complete "transformation" is baseless. And Yes, my theory is better than the rest because there are alot more who share it, compared to two people and your theory. There may be other Westerners or Euopeans who read it, and vaguely agreed with it out of respect to a known psychologist.
In reply to:
"Only after I had familiarized myself with alchemy did I realize that the unconscious is a process, and that the psyche is transformed or developed by the relationship of the ego to the contents of the unconscious."
- C. G. Jung; Memories, Dreams, Reflections: P. 209"
This proves my point even more. Realization that someone may experience is often not right. On psychedelics, people often realize things they truely believe themselves, but that doesn't make it correct. It's not an "ultimate truth" or a form of satori enligtenment that C. G. Jung got. "Familiarized"? Heh. How well did he get familiarized?
Since the dawn of faith, it was never explained nor will it ever be explained. I would normally reply to a flame, but Zylo's post is just pathetic and doesn't deserve to be quoted.
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Re: Buddha of Infinite Light and Life [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
#550292 - 02/13/02 04:00 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd like to appoligize for that question. Obviously I was confusing you for Zahid. My fault! I wish I would have known That these were your interests earlier, and we would have had a whole lot more to talk about. When you say schools, Do you mean that you are activly involved in these schools? If so I would like to know more about them. I am searching for people with similar beliefs and interests that I can discuss things with. Sorry again for the confusion!
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: Zahid]
#550329 - 02/13/02 04:36 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: Lallafa]
#550333 - 02/13/02 04:44 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cute. 
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: Lallafa]
#550334 - 02/13/02 04:47 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Damn..... Obviously God doesn't exist if Innocent Lego People Have to suffer such a tremendous tragedy!!!!
Thanks for that one man! Thats a good laugh
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Re: Does God Exist? part one [Re: Zahid]
#550341 - 02/13/02 05:00 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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There are many great psychologists, but it doesn't mean all their theories are correct. He studied Eastern mysticism. Does that mean he truely understands it? No. Journalists study Islamic fundamentalism, but that doesn't mean they truely understand the fanatic, why they do what they do. I'm going to have to go ahead and dismiss this theory for a) He has not truely experienced faith, only studied it and made what he thought was an intelligent opinion on the matter. And b) It is just that, a theory. Many people harbour these, smart and average.
More than me and you. Once again circular reasoning.. cuz you don't understand me either.. and I did say "potential" as an approximate not unequivocal..
It's an opinion of faith. How would you describe a "high-functioning human being"? It sounds like you're saying the non-believers of organized faith are "elite". You're saying that the believers are "unconscious"? Hah.
high-functioning is best left for you to decide. If you're not mentally retarded, you're high-functioning.
huh?? I didn't say that at all. Obviously, you misunderstood it..
Muslims are all different from eachother. Many of them are very intelligent, and all of them are at peace with themselves. Algebra, was invented by Muslims. Muslims became known for being elite in the world of learning and astrology. The Mystics of Islam, the Sufi's, are often wise, introspective, and at complete peace and harmony with life and humanity. Once again, a Prophet who did not know how to read or write, a pious man, came running down from the mountains to Mecca one day calling his people (who were idol-worshippers before Muhammad) to worship the one and only God. Muhammad explained the Moses and Jesus (who had the ability to channel miracles) were also prophets from Allah, the Merciful.
Errr... And??
Transformation? Faith would not do anything to interupt this. This theory that faith has to be overlooked in order to complete "transformation" is baseless. And Yes, my theory is better than the rest because there are alot more who share it, compared to two people and your theory. There may be other Westerners or Euopeans who read it, and vaguely agreed with it out of respect to a known psychologist.
Hmm.. A little tint of egoism showing finally, aye? You still didn't get my comments. I recognize the process of transformation in "faith" as phenomenology, singular to only the individual. When the individual oversteps the process and attempts to enculturate his/her experiences + faith with the world, that's trouble..
I must be speaking in alien language or something in those posts.. Go figure..
West? That's pure conjecture.. The Freud / Jung psychology is relevant in understanding faith to an approximate degree because: Well, hmmm... You have an ego.. You exist..
This proves my point even more. Realization that someone may experience is often not right. On psychedelics, people often realize things they truely believe themselves, but that doesn't make it correct. It's not an "ultimate truth" or a form of satori enligtenment that C. G. Jung got. "Familiarized"? Heh. How well did he get familiarized?
When did I say he experienced?? And when did I say he tried psychedelics? What makes your experience + faith more better than his theories or mine? I did say observable, a quality of measurement not judgment. Never once did I say his theory + my creative jamming was correct or true. I don't buy Ultmiate truth, and neither did Jung claim such.
Familarized? Contemplation... Long long periods of gestation spanning 40 years. Though, modern psychology has trouble accepting all of his theories since ahahah it's all to mystical for them..
Since the dawn of faith, it was never explained nor will it ever be explained.
Forget it... "Allah is the source of all faiths" That'll explain it..
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Re: Buddha of Infinite Light and Life [Re: MentalHygene]
#550347 - 02/13/02 05:09 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, I'm not active. My parents are. The two main Buddhas worshipped is Amitabha and Quan Yin. I've always noticed them in the temples.
I got 5 Pure Land books from the temple's library.. Too bad the translation gets butchered from Chinese to English. Even pronouncing Amitabha in english is brutish.. much more eloquent when spoken in Chinese..
What do you want to know? I"ve only started reading Pure Land a couple of days ago! How far do you want me to take you? eheheh
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