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Anonymous

what is god?
    #1519603 - 05/04/03 04:04 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1519605 - 05/04/03 04:05 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: what is god? [Re: bert]
    #1519612 - 05/04/03 04:09 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

God is a 3 letter word, and any other words used to describe god would also be just words :smile:


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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1519636 - 05/04/03 04:23 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: what is god? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1519640 - 05/04/03 04:30 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

depends who you ask.

this one guy thinks that god is everything.

this other g says that god is the creater of everything. That God will always <b>be</b> regardless of what happens to this or any other universe.

this chick said to me one day "God is love"

this other time i thought god was the personification of benefit. but i dont know how that one goes...


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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1519644 - 05/04/03 04:32 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

God is most of mankind's answer to the mystery


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Re: what is god? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1519652 - 05/04/03 04:36 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

By that do you mean the correct question is "Who is God?"

Is that because you favour the idea of a human like god with a personality that we could relate to?


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Re: what is god? [Re: Revelation]
    #1519664 - 05/04/03 04:44 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1519710 - 05/04/03 05:13 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

God is life.
God is irrational.
God is an icon that we use and abuse to will away our inability to understand.
God drinks black coffee and smokes unfiltered cigarettes.
God will not bend to your logic.
God is love.
God is romantic.
I like to think that God wears a cape.
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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1519769 - 05/04/03 05:47 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I am God.


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Re: what is god? [Re: Murex]
    #1519795 - 05/04/03 06:11 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

god is comfort for the ego

the ego does not exist

god does not exist


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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1519910 - 05/04/03 07:02 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

god is comfort for the ego?  :confused:


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Re: what is god? [Re: Murex]
    #1519911 - 05/04/03 07:03 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

you are god?  :confused:

what are you?


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Re: what is god? [Re: Murex]
    #1519914 - 05/04/03 07:05 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: what is god? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1519928 - 05/04/03 07:12 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

god is a necessity


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Re: what is god? [Re: quemo]
    #1519934 - 05/04/03 07:15 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

god was a neccessity.


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Re: what is god? [Re: quemo]
    #1519936 - 05/04/03 07:15 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: what is god? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1520035 - 05/04/03 07:58 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

God is whatever you want to think he, she or it is. Everything, nothing and everything in between.
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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1520042 - 05/04/03 08:01 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

why else would we believe in him?...god makes everything.....alright


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Re: what is god? [Re: You_are_God]
    #1520046 - 05/04/03 08:02 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: what is god? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1520206 - 05/04/03 09:10 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Collective Life is God. how's that one :wink:


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Re: what is god? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1520225 - 05/04/03 09:19 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

from the judeo-christian standpoint, what is God?


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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1520273 - 05/04/03 09:37 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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God is a concept, by which we measure, our pain.

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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1520292 - 05/04/03 09:49 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

God is Love
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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1520387 - 05/04/03 10:33 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

you cannot say that something doesn't exist unless you can define it. then you can say that a certain thing, defined by certain terms, does not exist.

i can say that flying pigs do not exist. the definition of flying pigs is straightforward and consistent from person to person. we can all agree for the definition of 'flying pig' to mean a pig that flies by it's own means, and we can see that this does not exist. (we still cannot PROVE that flying pigs do not exist, but you get the idea).

to say that GOD does not exist, you must define God. by the definition you give God, perhaps God doesn't exist. if you think that the word 'God' means the literal description of a personified, sentient entity that created the universe and watches over us, then perhaps you can say that 'that' God doesn't exist.

there is something here bigger than any definition, known by many different names by many people, and it certainly does exist. some people call it God.

if 'god' doesn't exist by your definition, all that means is that your definition is wrong.


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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1520459 - 05/04/03 11:02 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

you cannot say that something doesn't exist unless you can define it. then you can say that a certain thing, defined by certain terms, does not exist.

i define god as a figment of our emotions. faith leads us to believe and to believe is to be content... living forever, which is the underlying reason we define god. can you believe in god and not an afterlife? most wouldn't or couldn't because faith cuddles the ego, ensuring it will never die, faith and god is synonomous with an afterlife.....take away the feelings of faith(afterlife), and the notion of god is lost. find god in creation, not in hope.


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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1520464 - 05/04/03 11:04 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

were you raised a christian or jew?


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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1520467 - 05/04/03 11:05 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

"i define god as a figment of our emotions."

bzzzzzzzzzzzz. keep trying.


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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1520473 - 05/04/03 11:08 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

bzzzzzzzzzzzz. keep trying.

ok. god exists to make you feel good.


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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1520474 - 05/04/03 11:08 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

If you'd read his post and thought about what he said, you'd be bzzzzzzzzzing yourself. Or maybe you did understand it, and that's why you're afraid?


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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1520475 - 05/04/03 11:09 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)




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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1520492 - 05/04/03 11:17 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

ok...

you say that 'god' is something we create with our emotions to make ourselves feel good. this is your definition of 'god'.

then you go on to say that 'god' does not exist. does 'something we create with our emotions to make ourselves feel good' not exist?

by your definition of god, god is a very real thing.

i think what you mean by your 'definition' is not a definition at all, but an explanation for a false veiw.

do you see what i mean? it's kindof a contradiction to define 'god' as something that we create in our minds to make ourselves feel good (by this definition, a very real thing) and then say that it doesn't exist.

for instance, if i define dreaming as something that takes place in our minds while we sleep, i cannot say that 'dreams' are fake. though they are only figments of our mind, by this definition, they are real.

what's your definition of 'god'?


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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1520506 - 05/04/03 11:27 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

if i define peter pan as 'simply a character in a children's book', by this definition, peter pan does exist. there is indeed a character named peter pan in a children's story.

if i define peter pan as an actual living boy who flies around an actual place called never never land with a real flying, pixie dust-carrying nymph named tinkerbell and the lost boys fighting real pirates, by this definition, peter pan does not exist...

it's on this principle that i find a contradiction in your definition of god and statement that god doesn't exist. i think you've got a more suitable definition, and i'm just wondering what it is.


Edited by mushmaster (05/04/03 11:30 PM)


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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1520541 - 05/04/03 11:41 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

do you see what i mean? it's kindof a contradiction to define 'god' as something that we create in our minds to make ourselves feel good (by this definition, a very real thing) and then say that it doesn't exist.

the concept that god is there for our egos defines the fallacy of god, therefore, he does not exist in reality. i've said there might be a creator, but a god that is beyond something that guarantees an afterlife. the egotistical god is the one we manifest for self benefit, which is the home of many believers.

i'm sorry if i got off-topic, but i was speaking of god in the scope of human thought and it is not consistent with a concrete definition.


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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1520574 - 05/04/03 11:53 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

the concept that god is there for our egos defines the fallacy of god, therefore, he does not exist in reality.

there we go. that's what i was looking for.

this defines a 'false view' of God.

however, just because some people hold a false view of what God is, does this necessarily mean that God does not exist? just because some people are wrong about God, and have a simplistic, ego-feeding definition of God in their minds, does this mean that God does not exist outside of this narrow definition?

their 'God' does not exist. this we both agree on. but this is no proof of the non-existance of God.

i've said there might be a creator, but a god that is beyond something that guarantees an afterlife.

i think you may have left a word out somewhere (specifically, a 'not'). that sentence doesn't make sense.

were you raised a certain religion?

if you had to define your spiritual beliefs, what would you say?


Edited by mushmaster (05/05/03 12:00 AM)


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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1520619 - 05/05/03 12:08 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

just because some people are wrong about God, and have a simplistic, ego-feeding definition of God in their minds, does this mean that God does not exist outside of this narrow definition?

yes, but where is he? he can't be proven, and all we have to justify him is existence, therefore all that exists can be interpreted as god, but show me someone who fervently believes in god but does not have a egotistical view of him...it can't exist. that is why i applied a general statement that god does not exist.

were you raised a certain religion?

i was sent to christian indocrination, but hardly "raised", i preferred daydreaming during sermons and drawing during confirmation.

if you had to define your spiritual beliefs, what would you say?

i don't know what spirituality means, but i live my life according to strict personal morales and a skeptic view of everything that cannot be thought out by reason and logic.


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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1520645 - 05/05/03 12:16 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

in saying "Him" you imply that your definition of the 'God' which does not exist is the literal interpretation of the christian idea of a personified, sentient entity, who created the universe and man in his image.

by this definition, i too would refute the existance of God.

coming from a christian background, for a long time, this was my definition of God, and i considered myself an atheist.

i now see that this doesn't mean that God does not exist, only that that definition is wrong. it only means "god is not... (fill in blank)", not "god is not".


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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1520657 - 05/05/03 12:20 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

have you ever eaten mushrooms?


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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1520669 - 05/05/03 12:24 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

yes, why do you ask?


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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1520693 - 05/05/03 12:31 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

i tried to steer away from a certain religion when i personified god. i referred to god in the egotistical sense, which can be applied to any religion/god/belief.


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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1520707 - 05/05/03 12:35 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

i had pretty much the same beliefs as you about 'God' until i'd tripped my first time and had time to digest it all. it was after that when i started taking an interest in spirituality (mostly the eastern traditions), and meditating. tripping for me is definitely a deeply religious experience.


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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1520737 - 05/05/03 12:41 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

i once thought shrooms were a religious experience, now they are just an experience.


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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1520766 - 05/05/03 12:51 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

alright. i don't know what i'm doing here. it's almost 1 and i've got a final tommorow in organic chem that still needs alot of studyin' for. that and arguing and debating over God is probably one of the stupidest things i can even think of to be doing. you have a nice night. it's been good talking about this stuff. keep an open mind. AND ENJOY YOUR SLEEP!!!  :tongue:


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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1520778 - 05/05/03 12:54 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

hahaha sucks to be you, i got all my finals done last week, i'm biology major too...GOOD LUCK!


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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1521084 - 05/05/03 03:26 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

coming from a christian background, for a long time, this was my definition of God, and i considered myself an atheist.

i now see that this doesn't mean that God does not exist, only that that definition is wrong. it only means "god is not... (fill in blank)", not "god is not".


this is exactly how I feel. my definition of God has changed but not my belief. God is a constant, and as we move through life, we are simply seeing It from different angles.

I think it is simply too expansive a concept for one moment to contain. it has to be expressed through time.


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    #1521275 - 05/05/03 07:02 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: what is god? [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1521276 - 05/05/03 07:03 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I played bowling with God yesterday, but he's such a bad looser, so I had to buy him a pint afterwards, to stop his nagging.
God is love
God is apathy
God is trees
God is bees
God is weed
God indeed
God is me
God is You
God is everthing
Everything is God, God is everything.
God is therefor good nor evil, the concept of God just "is".
I don't believe God is aware of it/him/herself (whatever suits you).
I don't like the Christian point of view, I prefer more of the eastern traditions and beliefs.

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Re: what is god? [Re: kangoo]
    #1521281 - 05/05/03 07:13 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Murex is god.


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Re: what is god? [Re: Droz]
    #1521459 - 05/05/03 11:06 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

God is a word, what do YOU want it to mean today?


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Re: what is god? [Re: Evolving]
    #1521548 - 05/05/03 12:20 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

To establish whether or not God exists is actually very easy: just agree on an experiment that will distinguish between a godless universe and one which has a god in it. Then carry out the experiment and observe the result.


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Re: what is god? [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1521619 - 05/05/03 01:01 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I created a little universe and chose to neglect it. Being that I am the God of that universe and thus an integral part of the experiment, it is impossible for me to observe the results. Will someone please come and see how my little universe is doing?
On the other hand, I am an active, vengeful God in respect to another little universe that I created. Much like the God above Myself (and perhaps the one above Her), I become bored with mere observation, and have developed an insatiable appetite for slapstick. I demand of My people that they entertain Me. When my jesters fail to appease Me, I hurl thunderbolts at them and administer noogies to their tender scalps. They call out in the British dialect that I have conditioned them to speak, "Oh, please, Master! Not another noogie!" After while, I become bored, and leave the room with Monty Python booming out above the inhabitants of the little universe.
But still there is that other universe. I wonder, do you think they have adopted another God than myself? Heretics!


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Re: what is god? [Re: Alobar]
    #1521665 - 05/05/03 01:23 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Hehe, an excellent gedankenexperiment Alobar :smile:

My point is really that anything but an operational definition of God is just a waste of time. Defining God as the initial conditions of the Big Bang plus each and every later spacetime event that wasn't determined by those initial conditions, is good enough to prove the existence of *that* God according to our state-of-the-art knowledge about the universe.

The existence of that other vengeful Monty-Python-God on the other hand is much more difficult to prove.

And the transcendent consciousness that we shroomers sometimes experience can be called anything... I know what it is and I don't care really if it's called "God" or "Sunyata" or "Vacuum Energy" or whatever.
 


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Re: what is god? [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1521691 - 05/05/03 01:36 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

the term God leaves a nasty taste in my mouth


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Re: what is god? [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1521716 - 05/05/03 01:44 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: what is god? [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1522372 - 05/05/03 06:06 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

To establish whether or not God exists is actually very easy: just agree on an experiment that will distinguish between a godless universe and one which has a god in it. Then carry out the experiment and observe the result.

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Re: what is god? [Re: ]
    #1522479 - 05/05/03 06:35 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

God is a mythical creature of greater meaning than the likes of the Unicorn. God is only a maintained character created by someone adding to the Great Book Of Fables (The Bible). I suppose, we could say God is the equivalent of the Hookah smoking caterpillar in the picture.

The Caterpillar represents god, the all seeing, wise one, looking down on mankind (represented by Alice). The great tree behind him represents the aspect of our unknown universe. The way the tree rises above ?god? and out of the picture (reaching into the unknown), therefore contradicting the two arguments between the theory: God vs Science/nature. The mushroom is ?gods? throne, used here as a religious and spiritual object. Probably cryptically depicting, that the Caterpillar, being the sitter of the throne has the Powers of the mushroom naturally. The mushroom towers over mankind (representing the fact that mushrooms should be highly regarded and respected) and the caterpillar (god) towers even higher above (becoming the master, meanwhile the tree in the background makes us constantly question his existance when compared to scientific theories).  Finally, the hookah (connected to the mushroom: The link between mushroom - man?)provides an everlasting source of mushroom smoke going into ?god?, the smoke, being a hallucinogenic, feeding gods mind and blurring his vision, his thoughts blow through the wind from the sky and I?m just talking shit now so I?ll stop.
P.s. Notice the desperacy of the smoke rising out of the image, also trying to discover the outer universe (smoke, being a meaningless substance unrelated to any creature, is the symbol for EVERYTHING on earth having a natural curiosity factor. The smoke has escaped, and is exploring alternative theories. The long pipe depicts the long, slow walk of those captured by the christianity fable and entering the mouth of their god who feeds upon them, keeping his will alive).
Ok ill definately shut up now, just look at the picture
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Re: what is god? [Re: Droz]
    #1523543 - 05/06/03 01:56 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Murex is god.

And so is Droz.  :wink:


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Re: what is god? [Re: Murex]
    #1523620 - 05/06/03 02:35 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: what is god? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1523659 - 05/06/03 03:08 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

God is whatever one desires him to be, no one has ever seen god (some may claim to have seen him but not in any tangible sense IMO) so the answer to what is god would be different for every person.. The idea of God is something I've never really understood like other people I know, I just try to look at it with an open mind since nothing can really be proven. God to me would be whatever force created matter and energy, it had to come from somewhere didn't it? btw I've been kind of a lurker around these forums in the past and I thought it was about time to actually join the conversation so to speak. so hello everyone.



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    #1523699 - 05/06/03 03:36 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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