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Re: The hilarity of the atheist [Re: laserpig]
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It's not that wild if you've studied into it.


I personally see the obvious direct connection...


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The hilarity of the atheist [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
I'm not going to explain much further into this. Just read Denial of Death.


death anxiety is foolish.
why worry about something that is inevitable?.

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Re: The hilarity of the atheist [Re: elementswrath]
    #11029003 -

Again, it doesn't manifest itself merely as a physical symptom. It is a constant throughout life.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The hilarity of the atheist [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Again, it doesn't manifest itself merely as a physical symptom. It is a constant throughout life.


anxiety is both physical and mental.

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Re: The hilarity of the atheist [Re: elementswrath]
    #11029017 -

"Death anxiety" is just a blanket term used to describe the psychological aspects of dealing with one's mortality.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The hilarity of the atheist [Re: Poid]
    #11029033 -

Poid said:
"Death anxiety" is just a blanket term used to describe the psychological aspects of dealing with one's mortality.


it is.

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Re: The hilarity of the atheist [Re: blah]
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blah said:
The only acceptable reason for not believing is *ding ding ding* "Because I choose not to"


The only acceptable reason for believing is *ding ding ding* "Because I choose to".

What is the difference?

Atheists have faith in the idea that god doesn't exist, Christians (and followers of other theistic regions) have faith in the idea that God does exist. If either one could objectively prove their case, there would not be a conflict.

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Re: The hilarity of the atheist [Re: howtodisappear]
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howtodisappear said:
Atheists have faith in the idea that god doesn't exist, Christians (and followers of other theistic regions) have faith in the idea that God does exist. If either one could objectively prove their case, there would not be a conflict.


What in the fuck makes you think that atheists have faith? :what:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The hilarity of the atheist [Re: Power]
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So who in here feels awkward about their homosexuality?

Religion, is the funnest thing, with a few morals.

Give up? Its time to give in.....

:rockon:


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if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...


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Re: The hilarity of the atheist [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
zen buddy said:
Poid said:
:lol:, you think death anxiety manifests itself merely as a physical symptom! :haha:


Anxiety is very hard to miss.


Your point sure as hell isn't.


What, that I have felt anxiety before? If you conclude anything else from what I said, it would be obvious that you're grasping at straws. (You might want to read the post you were responding to about death anxiety)

Not everyone has death anxiety, I sure as hell don't. Anyone who would suggest that we all must have death anxiety are only trying to feel better about what they're going through. I'm sure it is a common problem but you can be assured that not everyone is afraid of death and you don't have to be either.

How can we grow and change if we do not believe there is room to grow and change? If someone believes that everyone has death anxiety then they must also believe that they will never stop fearing death themselves. Maybe that explains all the close minded attacks?:shrug:

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Re: The hilarity of the atheist [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
"Death anxiety" is just a blanket term used to describe the psychological aspects of dealing with one's mortality.


If this descriptive term should not be understood literally I would suggest finding another way to describe what you mean to say.

Using a blanket term from a book or classroom that few people like to use is one thing but using a term that should not be understood literally is very disturbing.

If someone would like to use a term that should not be understood literally, it would be a good idea to make sure that this term is defined early in the debate so that people who don't care to read up on some type of philosophy can better understand what it is you're getting at.

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Re: The hilarity of the atheist [Re: zen buddy]
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zen buddy said:
Poid said:
zen buddy said:
Poid said:
:lol:, you think death anxiety manifests itself merely as a physical symptom! :haha:


Anxiety is very hard to miss.


Your point sure as hell isn't.


If you conclude anything else from what I said, it would be obvious that you're grasping at straws. (You might want to read the post you were responding to about death anxiety)


I didn't conclude shit--which is why I said your point sure as hell isn't hard to miss; this means it's easy to miss your point, which I did.


zen buddy said:
Not everyone has death anxiety, I sure as hell don't. Anyone who would suggest that we all must have death anxiety are only trying to feel better about what they're going through. I'm sure it is a common problem but you can be assured that not everyone is afraid of death and you don't have to be either.


Nah, Denial of Death is actually a complete comprehensive synthesis of what Freud and his colleagues (and other noteworthy individuals) thought about death--it also includes a post-Freudian perspective on the issue.

What are your motivations for being here on the Shroomery? Immortalization much? :strokebeard:


zen buddy said:
How can we grow and change if we do not believe there is room to grow and change?


Everyone has a different method of dealing with death anxiety, and everyone experiences it to varied degrees; death anxiety does not prevent us from growing, and on the contrary, it actually motivates us to do so.


zen buddy said:
If this descriptive term should not be understood literally I would suggest finding another way to describe what you mean to say.


It is to be understood literally--the individual aspects of it all fall under this category, too, though.

Furthermore, most people in this forum seem to be familiar with the term.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The hilarity of the atheist [Re: Poid]
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So, just to make a synthesis of your statements regarding death anxiety:
- it is not necessarily anxiety, even though it is called anxiety
- some people DO feel anxiety about death however, while others don't even though they're still aware of the fact that they're going to die
- some people become schizophrenics because of it, while other people find it a motivator to grow and learn and even feel good

What you're saying exactly is that people in general seem to be aware that they're going to die one day, and have different thoughts and feelings about this. Wow, that's just awesome, you became aware that people know they're not immortal. How is this "death anxiety", again?


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: The hilarity of the atheist [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip said:
So, just to make a synthesis of your statements regarding death anxiety:
- it is not necessarily anxiety, even though it is called anxiety
- some people DO feel anxiety about death however, while others don't even though they're still aware of the fact that they're going to die
- some people become schizophrenics because of it, while other people find it a motivator to grow and learn and even feel good


Perhaps "avoidance/aversion of death anxiety", or "humans' psychological relation to death" would be a better blanket term.


MushroomTrip said:
What you're saying exactly is that people in general seem to be aware that they're going to die one day, and have different thoughts and feelings about this. Wow, that's just awesome, you became aware that people know they're not immortal. How is this "death anxiety", again?


All people are aware of their mortality, and yes, everyone has different thoughts regarding this.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The hilarity of the atheist [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
zen buddy said:
Not everyone has death anxiety, I sure as hell don't. Anyone who would suggest that we all must have death anxiety are only trying to feel better about what they're going through. I'm sure it is a common problem but you can be assured that not everyone is afraid of death and you don't have to be either.


Nah, Denial of Death is actually a complete comprehensive synthesis of what Freud and his colleagues (and other noteworthy individuals) thought about death--it also includes a post-Freudian perspective on the issue.

What are your motivations for being here on the Shroomery? Immortalization much? :strokebeard:





I'm here to discuss the meaning of life with people who share an interest in the psychedelic experience. Online debate forums are a great way to refine our communication skills and better understand ourselves. It really is unfortunate that there are so many people on here that think you have to go to school or read some books before you can understand reality or the meaning of life.

The idea that everyone has death anxiety is bullshit and no more than a way for people who are unable to escape their fear of death to feel better about themselves.

It is definitely possible to be free of fear and live in the moment. What it takes an honest, loving personality which unfortunately is a rare commodity nowadays.

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Re: The hilarity of the atheist [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Perhaps "avoidance/aversion of death anxiety", or "humans' psychological relation to death" would be a better blanket term.


All people are aware of their mortality, and yes, everyone has different thoughts regarding this.


Being aware of your mortality and being anxious or afraid of your mortality are two very different things.:rolleyes:

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Re: The hilarity of the atheist [Re: zen buddy]
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zen buddy said:
Poid said:
zen buddy said:
Not everyone has death anxiety, I sure as hell don't. Anyone who would suggest that we all must have death anxiety are only trying to feel better about what they're going through. I'm sure it is a common problem but you can be assured that not everyone is afraid of death and you don't have to be either.


Nah, Denial of Death is actually a complete comprehensive synthesis of what Freud and his colleagues (and other noteworthy individuals) thought about death--it also includes a post-Freudian perspective on the issue.

What are your motivations for being here on the Shroomery? Immortalization much? :strokebeard:





I'm here to discuss the meaning of life with people who share an interest in the psychedelic experience. Online debate forums are a great way to refine our communication skills and better understand ourselves. It really is unfortunate that there are so many people on here that think you have to go to school or read some books before you can understand reality or the meaning of life.


Or are you here to be a part of something bigger than yourself? :strokebeard:

I agree that you don't need school or books to understand reality, but they are definitely good tools. Would you hammer nails with your bare hands? :archiebunker:


zen buddy said:
The idea that everyone has death anxiety is bullshit and no more than a way for people who are unable to escape their fear of death to feel better about themselves.


You clearly don't understand the implications...


zen buddy said:
It is definitely possible to be free of fear and live in the moment. What it takes an honest, loving personality which unfortunately is a rare commodity nowadays.


Even your personality is the result of 'death anxiety'! :lol:


zen buddy said:
Poid said:
Perhaps "avoidance/aversion of death anxiety", or "humans' psychological relation to death" would be a better blanket term.


All people are aware of their mortality, and yes, everyone has different thoughts regarding this.


Being aware of your mortality and being anxious or afraid of your mortality are two very different things.:rolleyes:


Agreed. :thumbup:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The hilarity of the atheist [Re: Poid]
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OK, it's all figured out.  This is what I'm going to do.  I'm going to make up some term, write a book based on it, then use it in my arguments here.  It'll have the word anxiety in it, but it won't really have much to do with actual anxiety at all.  When nobody understands wtf I'm talking about, I'll tell them to read the book, for it's the only way they could possibly understand.

Sound fair?

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Re: The hilarity of the atheist [Re: deranger]
    #11033694 -

deranger said:
I'm going to make up some term, write a book based on it, then use it in my arguments here.


I've never written a book.


deranger said:
It'll have the word anxiety in it, but it won't really have much to do with actual anxiety at all.


It has lots to do with actual anxiety. :thumbup:


deranger said:
When nobody understands wtf I'm talking about, I'll tell them to read the book, for it's the only way they could possibly understand.


You're not just arguing against me--you're arguing against a pantheon of geniuses.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The hilarity of the atheist [Re: deranger]
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deranger said:
OK, it's all figured out.  This is what I'm going to do.  I'm going to make up some term, write a book based on it, then use it in my arguments here.  It'll have the word anxiety in it, but it won't really have much to do with actual anxiety at all.  When nobody understands wtf I'm talking about, I'll tell them to read the book, for it's the only way they could possibly understand.

Sound fair?


:congrats:

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