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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
    #795252 - 08/04/02 08:39 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

enter, enter, enter....

Still picking fights, eh?
I don't think you've read much philosophy. I'm not saying this to put you down. It's just that I can tell from your posts. Read some Nietzsche, really. If you don't understand it, feel free to PM me. Friedrich could teach you a thing or two.


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: Sclorch]
    #795259 - 08/04/02 08:42 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
    #795288 - 08/04/02 09:04 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Hurts doesn't it?
Not this post, but the others?


Not at all, actually. This thread is directed at Athiests first off. Athiests have group meetings. I'd say I'm more of an agnostic (though you probably wouldn't notice the difference). I've also noticed that those who identify themselves with a group tend to be more jumpy when it comes to their belief system. Maybe it's the safety in numbers factor that gives them a sense of security when lashing out. I'm not really sure though.

You should know that no one here could say something that would offend me. You'd really have to know me personally to do such a thing. Only one person that posts here knows me personally (no, it's not Swami or evolving), so maybe they could dredge something up that would actually piss me off... but they wouldn't.

enter... are you stewing like you do after every one of my posts, regardless of its content? You don't have to. I'm not here to piss you off. And since you can't piss me off, there really shouldn't be any hurt feelings on either side. None here.


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
    #795299 - 08/04/02 09:12 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

"You have faith in nothing and your life is as though you were never even born."
Enter, really, if your mythological beliefs are all that you think life is about, I feel really really sorry for you.

See, now I am not going to say that you are necessarily a marker for your community, but most 'Christians' I talk with are like you. Head up in the clouds so high that they can't see the cracks in the floor of there own beliefs. And when someone has a perfectly legitimate point that they don't agree with, they are evil, or there points are meaningless because their lives are as such (because they are going to hell of course). And sorry, "unbelievers" don't need you.

I mean do you understand how you look to me?
"You have to live your life by this book."
"why?"
"Because it say so."
"how do you know it is true"
"Because it says so"
"I don't think I believe in it"
"your evil and your life means nothing!"
"WTF??? are you serious?"

Like I said the world does not revolve around your religion, just like it does not revolve around Islam or Judaism. Now you most likely realize that if Islam disappeared the world would still go on, just like it always does, why is it so hard to believe that Christianity is the same way?

Look at it from my perspective. If you where a Jew, you would tell me that not believing in Judaism is a manifestation of an inner problem. Same with if you where Islamic. Once again, imagain how frustrating it would be if they told you what your telling me. The fact that your not a Jew means you have some problems....

In a few thousand years if people are still around they will look at this mythology the same as the look at all the other dead religions. Check it out it's a pattern...

But of coruse don't belive me because I am the voice of satan! Or are you just brainwashed?

O, and here is a good question, do you think 'Jesus' would hid behind a computer screen and attack people and put them down, telling them that they mean nothing? Do you really think that is his style? Because by saying your a Christian you are saying that you are trying to be like him... Just some food for thought.


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: shroom_assassin]
    #795302 - 08/04/02 09:14 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

There is no need or place for that type of vulgar attack. Stand down.


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: shroomerylurker]
    #795396 - 08/04/02 10:17 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
    #795405 - 08/04/02 10:22 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

C'mon enter... Are you just going to ignore my post?


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: Sclorch]
    #795406 - 08/04/02 10:22 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
    #795430 - 08/04/02 10:47 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, like I said how is dealing with things like a rational adult being a coward??
Really?

I really want to know, you have not justified your statements, just picked tiny parts of peoples responses.

"My points are proven in my eyes in this particular thread atleast. No one has been able to successfully and logically refute them." What, because I don't believe exactly like you do, it is like I was not born, and I am a coward, I am a pansy, and I have inner problems? How have you proven any of that? You even retracted *your* initial statement because you realized that it was childish, and it was demeaning.

I just want you to tell me how I am a coward. And why do you feel the need to try and make everyone that has different views then you feel lower and insignificant? Like I asked before, your a Christian right? Then tell me is that how 'Christ' would have operated? Where you an example of how he would have acted??

Really?

Are you giving up because you think you won an argument, or are you trying to save face by saying so?


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
    #795676 - 08/04/02 01:24 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Cowardice fears that are preventing us from turning to god? What actually does it mean to turn to god? Start making myself believe that this god actually hears me when i believe he doesnt? Once we are set in our ways i dont think there is no changing us. Same for me as it is for you. You started believing in god because maybe you were taught to. I started not believing in god because i chose to. I didn't see this god as being any importance to me. I believe that there is alot out there i dont understand but all these threads about god are getting each other no where. Its just babble. It is interesting but all we do is try to get the other to believe each other. Let's not look at what we think we know let's look at what we have in common. What do ya think enter? Maybe we could start talking about what the bible teaches and not take it literally that this god has anything to do with it. Love and compassion. We need more of this. We can't change things if we can't change ourselves. I don't like to think of god as this entity that we can pray to.. more like god as everything that exists. God just is. I don't see anything wrong with prayer or going to church. But more would get accomplished if we god passed got and look at things that are really going on. What do you all think?


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
    #795762 - 08/04/02 02:28 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Coward?

I can live this life and accept that I have nothing to look forward to after death, that there is no one looking out for me, no higher justice to appeal to, no forgiveness... Just a cold black void above the atmosphere, a universe that is ultimately unaware and uncaring that I'm even alive.

Could you deal with that- assuming it were true?

I don't think you could.

Christianity is a pretty big glass house from which to be throwing "coward" stones.
Not that all or even most Christians believe what they do out of cowardice, but it is a wonderful security blanket. Alone? Don't worry, Jesus loves you. Scared to die? Don't worry, no one really dies, they just go to a happy place where they get to be with their friends and family and God forever. Things going badly? Don't worry, God knows best, it's all part of his plan, it will work out. Been bad? Don't worry, God forgives you.
Ignorance is bliss. I wish I could believe all that comforting feel-good everything's OK, leave it up to God bullshit but I can't. I've grown up, I know better, and so I value reality above security.

If God did not exist, people like you would have to invent him.

The 'Truth'-with-a-capital T of God and Jesus and your whole religion is so obvious to you that you are unable to concieve of the possibility we DO NOT BELIEVE IN IT. It's that simple. But no, as you see it, we must hate God, or resent God, or be too afraid to confront God, or any of these things that only make sense in -your- worldview in which God is a real thing whose 'Truth' is self evident.

I can put myself in your position, why can't you put yourself in mine?






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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
    #795773 - 08/04/02 02:33 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)


By the way, why do you reject Mohammed?


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: Xibalba]
    #795800 - 08/04/02 02:49 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
    #795814 - 08/04/02 03:02 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

What if everyone was reading the Bible wrong?
What if God is a way of perceiving things (a mindset) and heaven is the peace one receives after the death of one's egocentric view of the world?
If this were the case, could not Jesus rightly claim to be the son of God? I think so.
The messages found in the Bible's lessons still apply if there is no "God".

Of course, this is all coming from one of those asshole 'skeptics'...


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: Sclorch]
    #795828 - 08/04/02 03:08 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
    #795887 - 08/04/02 03:32 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

It's all in your head.


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
    #795903 - 08/04/02 03:47 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Have you ever met Him?
Who, Jesus? C'mon man, the person's been dead for two thousand years (if he ever actually lived).

Have you ever asked for Him?
Many, many, many times.

Have you ever realized you need Him?
I realized that I don't. I realized that I need to think for myself, to take responsibility for myself, that I can be my own savior.

I provoke all of you who desire to post in this thread to likewise provoke God to interract with you in the privacy of your home or car or wherever. Pray and bug Him until there is nothing left in you to bug Him about.
Then come back after a fair amount of time and energy has been truly exhausted and report to us what occurs. No lying. No cheating.

Been there, done that - for years. Nothing happened, nada, zip, zilch, zero. I realized, much to my emotional discomfort that I had been lied to for years by people who never fully questioned their beliefs. Was I angry at 'god'? No, why should I be angry at other people's mythical creation to explain all of the unknown? This would be akin to being angry with Santa. Am I a 'Christian hater'? No, there's enough hate emanating from Christians at me for questioning their beliefs, for pointing out that 'The Emperor Has No Clothes.' I mostly laugh at their silly explanations and circular reasoning (such as citing scripture to back up their beliefs). I wonder why they fear the unknown so much and cling to mythological explanations like a security blanket.


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    #795909 - 08/04/02 03:50 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Are Atheists correct? We'll never know for sure.. [Re: World Spirit]
    #795924 - 08/04/02 03:57 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Of course, this is all coming from one of those asshole 'skeptics'...
I never called you or anyone that, Sclorch. So stop trying to paint a FALSE picture of me, as you do with others apparently.
I never said you did... so stop assuming that my post was entirely directed at you.

Have you ever met Him?
I can honestly say no.

Have you ever asked for Him?
When I was younger, before I realized that Jesus was a Zen master. Hell, even for a short period afterward, I still believed in such ethereal things.

Have you ever realized you need Him?
This is a loaded question. It assumes that I need "Him". To answer anyway, no, I have never realized I need "Him".

Then come back after a fair amount of time and energy has been truly exausted and report to us what occurs. No lying. No cheating.

How about 16 or so years of praying and going to church? Will that suffice?
What about ALL those unanswered prayers of mine? I wasn't always a non-believer. "God" had to convince me he didn't exist. He's made one hell of an argument I must say... I'll never go back to believing in him (unless a bush catches fire and starts talking to me and telling me about my innermost secrets).

I grew up in a strict-but-not-anally-strict household. I attended church at least once a week until high school. I transferred to a Catholic school, then I had mass every morning for 45 minutes (imagine yourself just trying to wake up and you have to stand for a total of 30 minutes singing hymns about why God is so wonderful...). It wasn't until a few months before my first LSD experience that I started to not believe in God. After about 20 or so trips, piles of philosophy books, and several upper-level philosophy courses, I realized that I didn't need God. Now when I go to church with my family (obligation), I feel sorry for all the old people that wander in looking for salvation after a lifetime without faith (foxhole believers?).

Of course, I'm just some fucking idiot who has no experience with church, religion, God, prayer, beliefs, and whatnot...

If that's enough, let's proceed with the Scripture.


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Re: Are Atheists correct? We'll never know for sure.. [Re: Sclorch]
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