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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: ]
    #785152 - 07/29/02 09:52 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

After Swami has revealed his anger and condemnation of Christians as a group
I don't condemn them as a group, but expect them to live up to the standards that they are attempting to foster on me. Make sense?

I am deeply offended. I would like to see it reworded, deleted, or otherwise changed to so that it doesn't paint all Christians as if they were wicked idiots.
Tell me what line(s) exactly and I will consider it. Please do NOT say the general tone is offensive as that is too vague.



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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: Swami]
    #785172 - 07/29/02 09:57 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you for your kind offer. After all, you did say you had a moral compass.

Just add the word "some" before the word Christian. That makes it so I am not included in the idiots you correctly portrayed.

Hey, does this mean atheists can have a conscience too?

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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
    #785680 - 07/30/02 07:58 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

In reply to:

Humor is important in this thread. But so is a bit of seriousness. Are those of you who are atheists scared to try and meet God? Are you feeling too much like cowards to pray? Is your conscious so bad off that you can't humble yourself and give God some glory?
Hmmm?




Are you scared to meet the Sasquatch? Don't be. He loves you, believe me, and he wants you to love him. Just kneel down and pray. You will see the Sasquatch, that I know for certain.


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #785773 - 07/30/02 08:55 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

The Yeti is a demanding but just god. I read about him on "The Sasquatchery"


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: Swami]
    #785908 - 07/30/02 10:11 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
    #786000 - 07/30/02 11:09 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Umm please explain to me in ur opinion what it means to pray?

Praying is boring. Thinking ur talking to god is boring. Thats just my opinion. Why pray when no one ever responds?


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: Swami]
    #786108 - 07/30/02 11:57 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

You forgot the capital G!! You have angered the Sasquatch!!


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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: Swami]
    #786988 - 07/30/02 08:22 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Go swami !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Yeti kick ass. [Re: Swami]
    #787235 - 07/30/02 10:36 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Well I have Yeti heritage... all praise "Bob".


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Re: Yeti kick ass. [Re: Sclorch]
    #787240 - 07/30/02 10:39 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Jesus ( pronouced "hey zoos") himself:


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
    #794186 - 08/03/02 12:09 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Are those of you who are atheists scared to try and meet God? Are you feeling too much like cowards to pray? Is your conscious so bad off that you can't humble yourself and give God some glory?
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All assumptions. And you know what they say about assume.. it makes an ASS out of U and ME.. haha.. humor, right? ;p


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: ]
    #794757 - 08/03/02 08:04 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I personally think that most western well established religions are feel good nonsense. I mean really, when you die that's not the end, no matter how horrible I am someone loves me, no matter what I have done someone accepts me, and all my morals are handed to me on a silver platter, and I am part of something bigger then my self, my life always has meaning, I am right because my book says so - if you don't think I am right your under the influence of evil. Wow, no thinking, no accountability, always feeling loved, never feeling alone, and a reason to live.

All that is fine and great, but say *hypotheticly* someone gives you evidence that all your beliefs are wrong. Every last one, there was no Jesus, we where not created by some all knowing all loving God, the whole dam bible is bullshit. And they prove it to you. Then you had a choice, forget all you learned and live your happy life full of Jesus; or know the truth for the rest of your life and deal with your mortality. What would you chose? Really?

I think being a Christian is convenient. It is nice. It feels good. If you want to believe something really really bad you start to see it. I am an atheist if you mean beliving in no all knowing all seeing deity figure with lightning bolts. But I am a very spiritual person, I love the earth I live on! I love that I am born, I will live my life and then I will return to the earth. It makes me enjoy living, because it is a gift, the energy or 'soul' that is in me will live on forever with the earth my mother, but what is my personality will no longer exist, so it is safe to say that I die... But will you ever get me to believe that what ever is out there is intelligent in the way that we define intelligence, nope. I think that is all just brain juice and chemicals. Souls are on a totally different level. Think about it, no chemicals, no brains...

Why would you get rewarded or punished in eternity for something that your personality does, your personality seems really really dynamic? It changes with what you eat, where your at, the lighting, the sound, the chemical make up of the air and it's density, your thoughts, the moon's location, sun spots, the time of month ect.... What sense would it make; making something that is not your personality, pay for what your personality does? I mean it dies with all the brain juice.

Okay, I know if I put a starving dog in front of a bowel of food, and an empty bowel, I know it will go to the one with food in it. Now I did not create that dogs neurochemistry, how it's environment will effect it, the physical laws surrounding it, and every nuance of everything that it is, and that is around it. But your saying that "God" created all these systems in humans and would not know how someone would react in every situation? I don't buy it. And if he does where does that leave free choice? Without that your pusdo-"Lutheristic" version of Christianity means little to nothing to me.

Dealing with ones own mortality in a rational way to me is much less cowardly then drowning yourself with mythology and dogma.

Now if I am completely wrong, please correct me. I have spent a long time thinking about this and have been on a long spiritual journey. I am not saying that Christians are stupid or dumb or anything, just that unless there is something that I really don't understand about your religion I don't really think I will ever subscribe to it, well about as much chance as I would subscribe to Greek mythology.

I don't pray, I don't ask for forgiveness from my imaginary friend. I really don't think a deity figure would really give a dam. I take responsibility for my actions, and live with the repercussions. How is that cowardly?


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: shroomerylurker]
    #794767 - 08/03/02 08:28 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
    #794787 - 08/03/02 08:51 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

First off, I never said anyone else was filling your head with this BS.

And also, can you answer my question, how on earth is that cowardly?


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: shroomerylurker]
    #794791 - 08/03/02 08:56 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
    #794863 - 08/03/02 10:04 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think I am turning away from 'him' for inner reasons. Sorry. I think you are turning to a book and a bunch of dogma for inner reasons. I am not saying that your an idiot or anything, if your a 'true' Christian, i.e., you base your ideology on the way they say Jesus acted then hey, more power to ya, I wish there where more nonjudgmental *AHEMMMM* people that lead by example, that love everyone equally... But why is my not believing in Christianity any more a manifestation of an inner malfunction then your not believing in Islam? Just because it is the way you believe does not mean the world revolves around it, or it is necessarily true...

When I poped out of the womb I did not say, praise Jesus, nether did you. It was taught to you. If no one would have ever done so, you would not know "him". So, your turning to your deity, I am not turning away from "him", I never really belived in mithology. I am following an existentialist path and not believing other peoples views on spirituality because they say they are more right then I am. Notice none of the bible is written by "god's" hands or thunderbolts... just peoples, and I trust my self more then them, even if they do say they know better, because they do and they say so...

And wait, I am still not seeing how I am a coward. Why because I don't believe the same as you? Is that a cowardly act, or is putting others down because you don't understand there views, while hiding behind a computer screen cowardly? How about when your 'faith' teaches you that you should, "judge not, lest you be judged" Or something like that?

Follow your own faith before you start to criticize my value system.

Okay???


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: shroomerylurker]
    #794876 - 08/03/02 10:24 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: shroomerylurker]
    #795126 - 08/04/02 06:49 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

enter, i really think you are a plague of bad sense on this forum, but i feel inclined to address your accusation:

In reply to:

Humor is important in this thread. But so is a bit of seriousness. Are those of you who are atheists scared to try and meet God? Are you feeling too much like cowards to pray? Is your conscious so bad off that you can't humble yourself and give God some glory?
Hmmm?




this is not a question that can really be answered. it is more of a provocative accusation. it boils down to: "Are all of you atheists a bunch of chicken shits? Are you all so evil and scared that you can't be chrisitan?" the question is irrelevant and can have no productive answer. it is purely rhetorical, designed to evoke an emotional response. most atheists that i know are thoughtful people who have considered and rejected the ridiculous mythology and harmful psychology of chrisitanity. your question can have no effect on them. on the flip side..your question could just as easily be turned against you... are you as a Christian simply too afraid to admit that God is a cultural concept and that God is dead? can you not sleep without your holy security blanket? is a world without a loving father too scary for yr poor little mind?

you have brought a nonproductive rhetoric to this forum. your question is dishonest and provacative like all of your posts i've read so far. you stir up debates over nothing and then claim victory even as your so-called arguments are dismantled and spread to the four corners of nonsense.

whew!

good bye!


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
    #795138 - 08/04/02 07:00 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

wouldnt you be intelligent enough to realize that there is no fucking god? you fucking moron. how do you know God exists anyways? I'm not saying there is no possibility a god exists but it makes no logical sense. your a faggot thats basically a sum up of what Im saying.


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    #795240 - 08/04/02 08:27 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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