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Re: I want you guys to understand Christian Judgment [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1508738 - 04/30/03 08:23 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: I want you guys to understand Christian Judgment [Re: World Spirit]
    #1508762 - 04/30/03 08:31 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

For awhile my only friends were atheists - well, they were beyond pofessing atheists, they were militant atheists who were utterly repulsed when I became religious. They would preach against religion constantly; the first few times I debated with them but then I realized it was pretty pointless - an endless circle. However when they saw I wasn't biting back for debating they gave up and retorted to using anti-religious slurs and general belief-advertising.

The sad thing is, one of them is a leader, the other a follower. The follower, was going to become a Muslim at around the exact same time I was converting, we were both 17, and had just done a significant dose acid for the first time. I remember his first trip very well; he was totally unexeperienced with psychedelics but he took six hits anyway. I remember he ate it, started listening to his music, and then I went to work - arriving home a few hours later he was hunched against the back wall writing in his journal, crying. This didn't surprise me terribly much because he has a history of abnormal, eccentric, and down right dangerous behaviour; he even pulled a knife out on someone once, yelling "You think I'm afraid to stab you with this?" before cutting his own hand before him. After the trip he dropped out of school, quit smoking pot (which normally doesn't go hand-in-hand) and apologized to just about everyone he wronged. He told me he was going to become a Muslim as well.

To cut it short, he took acid like maybe two more times since that trip in very low doses, after a few months he began rejected religion; at first with some degree of respect, now he makes jokes about Arabs. He started to hang out alot with my other, atheist friend. The pot came back, so did the weird ass lifestyle he was addicted to. The last time I saw him he tried to strangle me and burned himself several times with a cigarette.

Atheists. I can't fuggin stand 'em.


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Re: I want you guys to understand Christian Judgment [Re: Zahid]
    #1508793 - 04/30/03 08:41 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: I want you guys to understand Christian Judgment [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1508830 - 04/30/03 08:58 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I'll tell you now, Mark, that my thoughts are far from mundane. Also, your assumption that acknowledgement of a transcendental reality is required for a meaningful life is just plain wrong. It is possible to seek truth and knowledge and happiness without God. Don't assume that your personal passions are of no interest to an Atheist simply because he doesn't believe in them. I have an interest in Transcendental Meditation and Bhuddism, however I don't neccessarily believe in such things as of yet. I maintain that you're limiting yourself by cutting off Atheists or Agnostics who are righteous, inquisitive, entertaining, thoughtful, intelligent, etc. etc.

Zahid: Your comments are both hurtful and sickening to me. I hope you find peace.


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Re: I want you guys to understand Christian Judgment [Re: bert]
    #1508868 - 04/30/03 09:12 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Mark, that my thoughts are far from mundane. Also, your assumption that acknowledgement of a transcendental reality is required for a meaningful life is just plain wrong.

I think what Markos is trying to say, life with God cannot be compared with any other kind of happiness. It's hard to explain, but even a crack rush does not come close to the remembrance of God - regardless what you believe in, or how good you feel about everything in your life, none of that can compare to eternal love - that's transcendental reality for you.

Zahid: Your comments are both hurtful and sickening to me. I hope you find peace.

I'm sorry, and thank you for being concerned.


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Re: I want you guys to understand Christian Judgment [Re: World Spirit]
    #1509159 - 04/30/03 10:58 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

"Hell" and the "Lake of Fire" were created by the church to establish fear in the followers, so they could ascertain control There is of course, the astral plane, and if you so choose to live in fear in that realm and allow fear based beings to feed off of you, then that's your perogitave, however..it is certainly not eternal. The only thing eternal is the soul, and evolution, and creation.


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Re: I want you guys to understand Christian Judgment [Re: Zahid]
    #1509164 - 04/30/03 10:59 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Atheists. I can't fuggin stand 'em.




Good to know you've judged me without knowing me at all.  :grin:


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Re: I want you guys to understand Christian Judgment [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1509202 - 04/30/03 11:08 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I'm sort of astounded by your sense of assencion and transcendence, but I can't help but wonder how harmonized it is with your sense of descension and immanence. A pagan plummets far -deeper- than an atheist, ya know. Oh well, me thinks I could only express myself fully in person.
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Re: I want you guys to understand Christian Judgment [Re: Shroomism]
    #1509298 - 04/30/03 11:32 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: I want you guys to understand Christian Judgment [Re: World Spirit]
    #1509324 - 04/30/03 11:37 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

The 3rd dimension which we exist in is the lowest level human consciousness can appear. Hell is on Earth, but only if you create it for yourself, by living centered in FEAR as opposed to LOVE.


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Re: I want you guys to understand Christian Judgment [Re: Shroomism]
    #1509370 - 04/30/03 11:46 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

when it comes down to it.. athiests won't kill in the name of god. athiests may burn in hell forever, but as long as there are christians, muslims, etc... then wars will be fought and death will occur.


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Re: I want you guys to understand Christian Judgment [Re: World Spirit]
    #1509457 - 05/01/03 12:02 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Simply put, Love is heaven, Fear is hell.

When I speak of fear, I don't mean fear of being attacked by bears, I mean living centered in constant fear, that it controls you. That is hell.


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Re: I want you guys to understand Christian Judgment [Re: Shroomism]
    #1509508 - 05/01/03 12:16 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

if you dissociate from your ego, you cannot feel love or fear. this is where i am in life.


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Re: I want you guys to understand Christian Judgment [Re: Thor]
    #1509544 - 05/01/03 12:26 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not juding you, I am saying that I do not like to have atheists as close personal friends.

Judging by your signature, I would not want to be your friend.


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    #1509552 - 05/01/03 12:28 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

sounds like heroin addiction to me




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Re: I want you guys to understand Christian Judgment [Re: Zahid]
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Re: I want you guys to understand Christian Judgment [Re: World Spirit]
    #1509861 - 05/01/03 02:11 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Would you be irritated if I asked what purpose it would serve to have your soul go to some "place" for 1,000 years because you have been bad?


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Re: I want you guys to understand Christian Judgment [Re: Zahid]
    #1509873 - 05/01/03 02:16 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

My signature? Care to share what is wrong with it?

You did say:
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Atheists. I can't fuggin stand 'em.


Its pretty clear you meant in a general sense.

What if I said "Muslims, I can't fuggin stand 'em."  :smirk:


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