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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
    #795931 - 08/04/02 04:00 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Without offense to anybody, I am going to write spontaneous thoughts on what I think about religion:

I accept the fact that a god may exist ...

I myself don't BELIEVE in a god, except for nature AS a god ...

I wouldn't waste a second of my life praying to something that I have no evidence of. I refuse to accept the Bible or anything of the like into my life, because there is no true evidence that any of it is true. People can say what they want, until I actually have something happen to me where I have at least a temporary glimpse of "god" then I will let him be.

I personally believe religion was first created to keep people in order. Notice how everything in the Bible has a moral and how often things that are supposedly "bad" will make you go to hell. Sounds an awful lot like drug propoganda to me.

I respect everybody who is religious, provided they DON'T TRY TO PUSH THEIR FUCKING BELIEFS ON ME LIE EVERY RELIGIOUS PERSON I HAVE EVER MET. I don't know what people think gives them the right to tell me I'm wrong and they're right just because they are religious and I am not. There is no excuse. Religious people who push beliefs onto others are obviously so insecure they feel they have to control the world. I don't push my anti-religious beliefs onto religious people, why do they do it to me?

Praying has proved a complete waste of time in my life

Good friends of mine who have been praying to god, being completely good their entire lives and always being on the dot about religion and god's existance one day woke up to find their dad dead and their mom going to jail because of something that happened to them. They did nothing wrong. Now the kids are homeless and poor. They have a dead father and a mother in jail. So those many years of praying sure payed off, huh?

I will always believe something like god may exist. I don't doubt anything. But until I find any proof it, in my life or death, I won't worry until then.

A person who tells me to believe in god is essentially asking me to put blind faith that Luke Skywalker was a real person. Hey, there is just as much evidence as Luke's existance as god's existance

That's all for now. I never would mean to be offensive through my beliefs on religion, and I would never verbally attack a religious person unless they try to push religion into my life. If I want religion I'll go find it myself.


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Re: Are Atheists correct? We'll never know for sure.. [Re: Sclorch]
    #795937 - 08/04/02 04:03 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Are Atheists correct? We'll never know for sure.. [Re: World Spirit]
    #795939 - 08/04/02 04:05 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I do not often post here, the reason being that I know I am intellectually over matched(there are those that would say that I am intellectually overmatched even at OTD but I digress). I guess the only point I wish to make is........why after 2000 years is everyone still debating/arguing the existence/meaning of Jesus Christ? If it were that obvious that his life and teachings and his claim to be the true son of God were false, then wouldn't he have long since been forgotten? Why does he still raise such conrtoversy and conflicting feeling/emotion after all this time......... just wondering


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: HB]
    #795941 - 08/04/02 04:06 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I am a son of God.


I am also God. Just not all of God.


You are God as well.




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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: HB]
    #795947 - 08/04/02 04:10 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Are Atheists correct? We'll never know for sure.. [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #795953 - 08/04/02 04:14 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Are Atheists correct? We'll never know for sure.. [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #795978 - 08/04/02 04:21 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

wouldn't he have long since been forgotten?

Damn near every religion that has ever existed STILL EXISTS. Does that mean that they're right? No. There are several religions that are MUCH older than christianity, so if truth is a question of staying power, what about the older religions?

Why does he still raise such conrtoversy and conflicting feeling/emotion after all this time?

I'll take you in a nice linear progression...
1. Because the majority of people of this world are religious.
2. There are several MAJOR religions.
3. Christianity is the primary religion of the industrialized world.
4. The industrialized world is more powerful than anything else in this world.
5. There are some people who don't like being controlled by those of fundamentally opposing views.

Is that enough? Is it clear? I could go on.

enter- I said a little prayer... just to humor you. Does God get a time limit?


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Re: Are Atheists correct? We'll never know for sure.. [Re: Sclorch]
    #795996 - 08/04/02 04:30 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Are Atheists correct? We'll never know for sure.. [Re: World Spirit]
    #796024 - 08/04/02 04:43 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

You still didn't answer my question enter. DOES GOD GET A TIME LIMIT?

He obviously would not even try to meet God if he were given an angelic invitation.
No, actually, this is what would happen if an actual angel showed up:

Sclorch: Can you hold on for just one second, I have to get my camera so all the other non-believers don't call me a liar or crazy?
Angel: Well, I don't know about that... God has these policies about faith and belief and stuff.
S: I understand. Since you're taking me to him, let me get your picture and if God doesn't think it's cool, I'll just destroy the film. Sound good?
A: Well, I guess so...
S: Say CHEESE!
A: cheese
S: Great... now take me to God.

God will forgive me if I'm wrong about his existence. If he doesn't, then he's no God that I'd like... I'm not down with the "angry God of vengeance and whatnot". If he's a dick, then he can just fuck off.


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Re: Are Atheists correct? We'll never know for sure.. [Re: Sclorch]
    #796031 - 08/04/02 04:47 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Are Atheists correct? We'll never know for sure.. [Re: Sclorch]
    #796061 - 08/04/02 05:03 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

"Damn near every religion that has ever existed STILL EXISTS. Does that mean that they're right? "

Scorch, I don't believe that my saying that the longevity factor was any sort of proof as to the correctness or incorrectness of any religious dogama or belief. All I was imparting was/is that it's very strange(to me at least) that after all these years, that here WE are talking/debating about Jesus Christ on the message board at the Shroomery, that be all mate


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Re: Are Atheists correct? We'll never know for sure.. [Re: World Spirit]
    #796131 - 08/04/02 05:39 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I'm going to copy and paste enter's reply from above and then make some comments below it.
Here's enter's reply:

For those of you who have not yet experienced God, I simply pose a question to you: Would God, who knows all things present and future, reveal Himself to someone with this type of mentality? I think it's blatantly obvious why God is so silent so often.

1. I still didn't get an answer.
2. Why is it always MY fault that God never surfaced?
3. Get off your soapbox.


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Re: Are Atheists correct? We'll never know for sure.. [Re: Sclorch]
    #796146 - 08/04/02 05:45 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Are Atheists correct? We'll never know for sure.. [Re: World Spirit]
    #796183 - 08/04/02 05:59 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

1. I'm not a prophet or a son of a prophet. I can't answer your question
Fair enough.

but I'm guessing you're not going to hear back based on you telling God that if He exists he must be evil cus your so cool and He ought to talk to you first.
You should've stopped while you were ahead. If only God had given you better reading comprehension skills... I didn't say God was evil. I will say that if God punished me (i.e. sending me to "Hell") for not whoreshipping him or believing in him or whatever, then I'd rather spend the afterlife in Hell... at least no one will be lying to me about their holiness.

2. God has repeatedly surfaced and still does today. Try going to a pentecostal or charismatic church. I'm sure you'll fit right in.
This is a non-answer. You're not very skilled at dodging them... you should do some research on question-dodging. Try checking out old David Lee Roth interviews - HE was good at question-dodging. I like the lame "diss" at the end there though... not so clever, but cute.


I could give you better material if {deleted for the protection of your ego}. So far all your blows have missed.


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
    #796193 - 08/04/02 06:05 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

i like the way you lumped me in with the guy who called you a faggot, enter. nice move.


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Re: Are Atheists correct? We'll never know for sure.. [Re: Sclorch]
    #796291 - 08/04/02 06:46 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry, I have nothing to add to this thread. I believe that it has deteriorated from it's oringal purpose to just another forum for "those wh believe" to pressure the rest of us to be nice to them. This is philosophy and spirituality. I am afraid that the term "philosophy" in this context should be better defined, if not, then there is bound to be confusion.

Now, why I bothered to type anything at all: Sclorch, I nearly wet myself laughing when I read this:

"God will forgive me if I'm wrong about his existence. If he doesn't, then he's no God that I'd like... I'm not down with the "angry God of vengeance and whatnot". If he's a dick, then he can just fuck off. "

I have always found the use of "colorful metaphors and euphamistic slang" rather responsive for the miscommunication between people of differing belief systems and ages. I doubt that, in this case, there is any room for mis-understanding what Sclorch was saying.


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: ]
    #796346 - 08/04/02 07:16 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Why are we still debating him?
Because the concept of Christianity has good survival value.

1. Jesus loves you.
People like being loved. Whenever someone has had a loss or bad time in there life, and they need someone to love them, here people come with this idea that no matter how bad of a person they are someone loves them, very akin to the way sexual predators go after partners. This brings a lot of people to the religion.

2. The bible is your moral compass.
now all your actions are justified if you follow the rules, making the
actions of others you disagree with wrong. You also don't have to think much about what you are going to do in any given situation, it is there for you already. This kind of confidence makes people interested, a lot of weak people like this, turning to the religion.


3. If you don't believe you go to hell.
now you have a mission in life, spread this to everyone, even if it means torturing them to death, to get them to believe you don't want your friends in pain forever do you???

4. Be fruitful and multiply.
have kids and raise them in a Christian household, it's the right thing to do, you don't want them going to hell...

So, humm, you have a bunch of confident people and there children finding people that are weak and need something to believe in, and jumping on them, now they do the samething. And they are justified in doing this because they are saving these people from eternal damnation, it's there 'life work'. So years after it's original purpose, a method of control, it is still lingering in society.

Gee, I wonder why it has been around for like 2000 years.... (that's to say that you believe the bible is the truth, and modern-day scholars have the dates correct, Ps. AD does not stand for after dead....)

(It's amazing that it has not reached invasion of the body snatchers proportions. I can just see it now. Me and one last person with a level head left on earth. I have to part ways with her for a bit. A few days later I meet her at the park.
"I don't know if I can hold out any longer, I think we're the only ones left."
"JESUS LOVES YOU"
"AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
as the sceen fades out, the lurker falls to the ground, you are left with the impression that the earth is lost.)

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Re: Are Atheists correct? We'll never know for sure.. [Re: World Spirit]
    #796365 - 08/04/02 07:23 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

enter enter enter, tsk tsk tsk

You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

Instead of trying to talk people to death why don't you just let your light shine? As far as I remember light does not make a sound.

Are you afraid that if you don't get someone to agree with you then your 'faith' is a sham? Who really is the coward here?


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Re: Are Atheists correct? We'll never know for sure.. [Re: ]
    #796370 - 08/04/02 07:24 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Are Atheists correct? We'll never know for sure.. [Re: World Spirit]
    #796388 - 08/04/02 07:32 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Well, if we're playing catch... just know that I have a wicked fastball.
Brush fire? Sounds like your God's got a few friends over, eh?


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