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OfflineZahid
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God Exists
    #582482 - 03/18/02 05:29 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

God Exists: Here?s why

There is an Almighty, All knowing, Merciful God, like it or not, believe it or not. Most atheists will never change their beliefs. Anyone should be able to use reason in such an introverted way that they see and realize the truth of things. Atheists believe in what can be proven. Obviously, there is no scientific proof that there is a God, or that there isn?t a God. If there was proof, this life wouldn?t be much of a test to earn Paradise. Why does God exist?

- Try to think of every aspect of today?s world: the human race on planet earth. What humans are, how we are, our self-awareness, and our ability to do either right or wrong. The circumstances of life are 100% perfect how an All Knowing God would test you, to see if you?ll believe or not. If (non-existing) technology recorded the creation of earth and mankind, and displayed throughout history for man to view, there would be less of a test to submit to the Creator. If God directly spoke to mankind, there would be less of a test. In fact, for a long time there would be no test: everyone would know there is a God that simply longs for your love and praise for He created you.

- The existence of the three abrahamic faiths: Islam, Christianity, and Judaism. All share very similar characteristics and teachings because the prophecies came from the same God. The births of these religions occurred centuries apart.

- The earth, the universe, everything that is here, is all part of an illusion created by God ultimately for the test. Think of space being inside a balloon. Inside that balloon is a tiny planet with God?s greatest creation, humankind. The one holding the balloon in his hand is God.

- For a moment, free your mind of any anti religious feelings you have developed as a result of your environment upbringing (religion is for the weak, religion was created by man for control, religion blocks reason, etc.) for these feelings lead to disillusionment from your God, your Lord. Now, pretend you?re living during the time of one of the prophets: Moses, Jesus, Abraham, Muhammad, or whoever. You?re witnessing Jesus do miracles, the honest man from Mecca you knew all your life is shouting things about the one and only true God worthy of worship. Many atheists will argue that organized religion is simply a ?successful? cult because thousands of years ago people easily bought it. Why are there billions of Muslims and Christians today then?

- Most people do believe in God, but deceive themselves in order to do what they want guilt free. I have two non religious friends who also like to trip. I asked them if they would ever watch a movie about the life and times of Jesus Christ. They said they wouldn?t want that ?make believe? stuff setting into their head. Truth is, and according to the Qur?an, those who truly do not believe in their hearts that God is real has a spiritual sickness brought on by free will- The hard core atheists of today will never find salvation, despite how easily it is to obtain it. If a true kufr took LSD and watched the 1965 movie ?The Greatest Story Ever Told?, he would still stand in his beliefs, and not feel uneasy about the movie. If the person denounced previous belief in nothing, and converted to Christianity as a result of this experience, he in fact did believe in God all his life, only deceived himself from seeing it in striking clarity.

- For many of us, it takes a generous dose of psychedelics to get to know ourselves better. But, Something, somewhere has to know the secrets of our hearts that we are not even aware of ourselves.

- Can you seriously imagine this world being created by it self?

- More people than you would think believe in God in this world. Atheism is very common in the west because there is a lot of disillusionment with Christianity brought on by an immoral society and combined with the contradictions of today?s distorted gospel.

- For those who know only the teachings of Christianity, you should know that God?s final message to the world delivered by Muhammad, shows support evolution, dinosaurs, and other aspects of our history that militant atheists often like to throw at Christians.

- Humans originated in the Middle East, and began to spread out over time, creating different races from environmental factors, and different cultures and languages. This is how Muhammad explained it too.

- Space is constantly expanding. Supported in Islam. Think of the universe as being a balloon. The edge of the balloon being the edge of space. What?s at the other end of the balloon? We can?t comprehend it, because we can hardly comprehend God. All we know is that he loves us more than we can even know. We know he loves to forgive sinners in this life.

- God is so beyond human comprehension that all we can handle is a written word passed down from a messenger. You can put a donkey in a room with a computer for 20 years, it doesn?t mean he?ll understand the how it works and operates.

- Physics and science. Supported in Islam.

- Evolution. Supported in Islam.

- Belief doesn?t cancel out reason. I believe in my heart that the earth is round the same way I believe in my heart that God, Redemption, Heaven, Hell are all part of the big picture: The truth. Since this is the truth, anyone who believes uses reason everyday. Anyone who believes has experienced God throughout their lives, and know the truth of his existence.

- The world around you is yours to dwell in. There are pleasures, intense, embarrassing, destructive, that will bring about temptation among many people.

- Many who chose not to believe in God do it out of disagreement with some of it. They do not agree with the idea of eternal torment for not believing, or that they cannot have sex with members of the same gender, so they refuse to open their hearts to the truth.

In conclusion, if you don?t believe in your heart after reading this, you probably never will and it?s your own fault for creating that burden. Remember these two things: If you don?t believe in the big picture, it?s because you don?t agree with it. It?s your duty to put your Creator in front of everything else, including yourself. The highway to Hell is wide and fast, the stairway to Heaven is steep and narrow.

If you're afraid you might believe, go to http://www.it-is-truth.org


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Re: God Exists [Re: Zahid]
    #582493 - 03/18/02 05:42 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

no you are wrong
and i am wrong too
you are no more right then i am


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Re: God Exists [Re: Zahid]
    #582513 - 03/18/02 06:01 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

In conclusion, if you don?t believe in your heart after reading this, you probably never will and it?s your own fault for creating that burden.

Wow! There is a most amazing display of spiritual arrogance. Zahid has spoken; therefore I MUST believe.


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Re: God Exists [Re: Swami]
    #582524 - 03/18/02 06:13 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Who cares if it was me who made that post. It's the message in the topic you should think about, not if I'm "spiritually arrogant". You're missing the point, Swami.


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Re: God Exists [Re: Zahid]
    #582525 - 03/18/02 06:13 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

yep... there is a god... but i dont agree with you saying he created all this as a test... to EARN paradise... if there really was something we could do in order to cast ourselves apart from him for the rest of eternity, then he wouldnt be mercyful... nor loving...
there is no right or wrong... only what we "judge" as right or wrong... and remember we weren?t created to judge... judgement itself is an illusion, too... therefore god wouldnt judge us either... indeed he wont...
oh! and you completely forgot about the fourth central religion... buddhism... bud god ain?t about religion... whether you call him christ, muhammed, buddha or whatever, they all were in thouch with the same source... the central energy, creation, beeing... GOD

namaste


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Re: God Exists [Re: In(di)go]
    #582529 - 03/18/02 06:17 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

That's sort of a personal belief of God you have, I guess. Yes there's God, and he would have to punish the wicked, and in order to do that, he would have to offer salvation to the righteous, and to bring that message prophets are needed. The abrahamic faiths are real.


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Re: God Exists [Re: Zahid]
    #582538 - 03/18/02 06:26 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

if you were god would you do the same? i mean do you also really approve it and like it like that, or do you just accept it because it is the truth?


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Re: God Exists [Re: Zahid]
    #582546 - 03/18/02 06:31 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

every belief is personal... but every belief can achieve global changes... i think all faiths are real... as long as you have faith...
and no, god would never punish anyone... for the wicked are already punishing themselves... and the righteous are rewarding themselves... i just dont believe in a god who claims to love you, but as soon as you make a mistake he waits for you with a whiplash... "do it, or ill fucking spank you" nope... thats not the way it goes...


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Re: God Exists [Re: raytrace]
    #582551 - 03/18/02 06:34 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I'm only a human, raytrace. God is beyond personal opinions of how things should be done. Everything is in his will, everything is known by Him. I cannot tell you "If I was God" because Allah (swt) has no partners. He is one, the All knowing, Compassionate, the Lord. God's plan, like it or not, is the ultimate truth. Accept it, or suffer in the hereafter. If God allowed man to indulge in earthly pleasures all they want, then man would do so without guilt. But God doesn't.


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Re: God Exists [Re: In(di)go]
    #582554 - 03/18/02 06:38 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Lozt Soul: What about Hitler and Albert Fish? My belief isn't personal like yours, or my friend Sean (who believes using his gift of art will get him into Paradise), my belief is from the Qur'an, the word of God himself.


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Re: God Exists [Re: Zahid]
    #582558 - 03/18/02 06:41 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i assume from what you said that you don't agree with all your heart but you have no choice


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Re: God Exists [Re: Zahid]
    #582562 - 03/18/02 06:48 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

God is an illusion created in the minds of humans, in the image of humans.

Most Gods have the manners and temperment of a spoiled child.

I believe in the holy trinity of Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.
I can find more proof that any of the above three exist than all your abrahamic
religions combined.

By the way, the abrahamic religions are the source of some of the greatest
hate and human misery ever visited upon mankind.


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Re: God Exists [Re: Zahid]
    #582575 - 03/18/02 07:07 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

hitler and albert fish... well they are both in heaven... yup... they learned they fair share from what they did, but it was necesarry... and i, too believe that if your friend uses the gift of art he will get to paradise... indeed, if he does it right he is already in paradise... read my signature if you have the time, and the open mind... and i also think that gods word comes from within, not from without... as with love, happyness, joy and peace... they are all found within, for that is where god lies... not outside or "up there"... i have read the bible, the book mormon, and parts of the qur?an... and yes, they contain wisdom and truth... but i think it has been so mermed and twisted around by the people in every church in order to meet their needs for power, that it requiers great inner wisdom to meet god following those words... that is my humble opinion... and i share it with you... but i dont try to push it on anyone...


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Re: God Exists [Re: Zahid]
    #582646 - 03/18/02 08:20 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yes there's God, and he would have to punish the wicked...

Yes, a perfect God would create an imperfect being.

Yes, an all-loving, all-merciful God, would be less than loving and merciful.

Makes sense to me.


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Re: God Exists [Re: Zahid]
    #582651 - 03/18/02 08:25 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Most atheists will never change their beliefs.

And you have done a large-scale study on this? I highly doubt it. Please only speak of what you know instead using hyperbole. Rigidity is the bane of many people, whether religious or not.

I used to be religious when I was a young brain-washed child, then I changed my belief, or more accurately, abandoned it.


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Re: God Exists [Re: Zahid]
    #582655 - 03/18/02 08:29 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The existence of the three abrahamic faiths: Islam, Christianity, and Judaism. All share very similar characteristics and teachings because the prophecies came from the same God.

The similarities exist because they sprang from similar cultures in the same general geographic region not because of any underlying truth.


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Re: God Exists [Re: Zahid]
    #582663 - 03/18/02 08:37 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

They do not agree with the idea of eternal torment for not believing, or that they cannot have sex with members of the same gender,

Those poor hermaphrodites, born with both male and female sex organs, created by God, will burn forever if they choose a physical relationship with either sex. Quite a test!


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Re: God Exists [Re: Zahid]
    #582669 - 03/18/02 08:45 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

It was a quiet, peaceful day when....

"Shit, what's that on the radar?!"

"INCOMING BULLSHIT!"
"Everybody, under your desks!"


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Re: God Exists [Re: Zahid]
    #582680 - 03/18/02 08:59 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think people should find God by looking within, not by reading a book written by ordinary men thousands of years ago. God (whatever he/she/it may be) exists within all of us if we just care to look. Defining oneself by a rigid set of rules that is religion has more to do with the power and greed of men than with getting closer to God. Discover your own relationship with God, don't blindly follow someone else's.


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Re: God Exists [Re: Sclorch]
    #582693 - 03/18/02 09:13 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Sclorch, sclorch, sclorch, are you rtying to usurp me as head troublemaker?


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