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Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are.
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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
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-Are those of you who are atheists scared to try and meet God?

Why would we be scared to meet our loving creator? If he indeed existed then I'm sure many atheists would welcome him with arms wide open.

-Are you feeling too much like cowards to pray?

Well I've prayed before and it really didn't take that much guts. In fact when I was done I felt like more of a coward than before...praying to a higher being to handle my problems because I'm too much of a coward to handle them myself.

-Is your conscious so bad off that you can't humble yourself and give God some glory?

I'm a pretty humble person. I've welcomed God into my life. I guess he just hasn't stepped through the door. Maybe because he doesn't exists? Maybe.

I'm not an atheist but I'm not religious either.

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pansies are flowers [Re: World Spirit]
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Just a query;

Wouldnt a person secure in their beliefs not feel the need to Judge.
Besides , isnt it God's job to Judge?
Are you God now?
Thats is the core beliefe of Satanism, that 'We' ARE 'God'

Your not a chrsitian after all. ...you're a SATANIST my Boy!
D'oh

-OoD

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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
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One baseless assumption and loaded question after another... Why not ask a REAL question?

Are those of you who are atheists scared to try and meet God?
No. Tried and found nobody home.

Are you feeling too much like cowards to pray?
No. Prayer is ineffectual.

Is your conscious so bad off that you can't humble yourself and give God some glory?
No. Sinning and repenting is an act of weakness. It implies an inability to accept responsibility for one's actions. That is why people sin again and again, not matter their beliefs and confessions and guilt.



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Re: pansies are flowers [Re: Anonymous]
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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: Swami]
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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
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1. Show respect for your fellow Shroomerites, their ideas and beliefs. Constructive criticism and debate is of course, encouraged. But flaming another member for their ideas/beliefs or implying attacks wlll not be tolerated. If something is considered to be unnacceptable, it will be edited. I should not need to elaborate any further on this. Just use some common sense when posting, show respect and all will be well.

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pan?sy Pronunciation Key (pnz)
n. pl. pan?sies

Offensive Slang.
Used as a disparaging term for a man or boy who is considered effeminate.
Used as a disparaging term for a homosexual man.

This thread CLEARLY violates rule 1. as posted by Shroomism and should be deleted. However, from past actions on this board, usually only skeptics are censured, while believer's abuse is allowed.

I will stay tuned to see what happens...



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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: Swami]
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Re: pansies are flowers [Re: World Spirit]
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It seems to me that you have trouble dealing with the thought that maybe there is no god. Are you afraid? I understand because i went through the same type of thing. I used to believe in the christian god and i know the fear that exists deep down inside. Let me just say that its not bad to question the things that you are told. As far as the "afterlife" goes, i care more about others than i do about myself. I also care more about life than death and thats why i dont worry. If god still wants to send me to hell, then there is no place that i would rather be. I am not an atheist by the way.


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Re: pansies are flowers [Re: World Spirit]
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In reply to:
No offense, but your posts are never clever.


mawhahahahah Ahhh hahahh......ha. you hurt me with your words -OoD

PS
no one likes a preachy bore.
get out and get a clue kid.



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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
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So silence is enough for you to conclude that God doesn't exist?
Should I find that convincing?

If God chooses not to give you His audible voice, this means to you that He does NOT exist, correct?
Zero noticable feedback hardly encourages belief.






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Re: pansies are flowers [Re: Catalysis]
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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: Swami]
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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
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I seriously did not know pansy meant homosexual, nor am I someone who is targeting an audience. It was meant as a flower, nothing more.
That is totally lame and we both know it.

I even put pictures of flowers in the post to clarify that.
Un-huh. And how are atheists akin to flowers?

Don't pervert my post now, Swami.
No need. It is self-evident.

You get to slam the Christian in your "The Christian and the Atheist" thread, and I get to jab at you now. Is it too emotional for you?
The rules were posted today and I will adhere to them. Will you?


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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: Swami]
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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: Swami]
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1. Show respect for your fellow Shroomerites, their ideas and beliefs. Constructive criticism and debate is of course, encouraged. But flaming another member for their ideas/beliefs or implying attacks wlll not be tolerated. If something is considered to be unnacceptable, it will be edited. I should not need to elaborate any further on this. Just use some common sense when posting, show respect and all will be well.


"This thread CLEARLY violates rule 1. as posted by Shroomism and should be deleted. "

How so? As I read the rule it indicated that if anyone was attacking a specific member then action would be taken. I think your interpretation is broadly construed. Under your interpretation your post about the Atheist and the Christian should be deleted. Is that what you want?

Cheers,

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Re: pansies are flowers [Re: PsilosKube]
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Re: pansies are flowers [Re: World Spirit]
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But if God exists, and clearly He does...

Please explain further, as i am very interested.


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Re: pansies are flowers [Re: Catalysis]
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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
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He he, hooo boy I'm glad I'm not an atheist. You're wit is quite... quite, ah... it needs some work.

So how long have you wanted to be a stand up comedian?

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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: Swami]
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In reply to:
If God chooses not to give you His audible voice, this means to you that He does NOT exist, correct?
Zero noticable feedback hardly encourages belief



You do have a point.


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Re: pansies are flowers [Re: World Spirit]
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Actually i have never seen anything that would make me believe that god exists and you claim to be able to clearly show this. I would be very interested to at least hear how you came to this conclusion. However, i understand that you dont want to explain and i am not trying to be antagonistic so please disregard the question entirely.


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Re: pansies are flowers [Re: PsilosKube]
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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
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I'm going to have to agree with Swami.. I dont think its neccessary to call Atheists pansies. please change it.

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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: ]
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Do not bash on other members.
Calling a group of people "panises" is NOT bashing?

But attacks on another persons Spirituality will not be tolerated. See rule #1.
So you don't see this as attacking?

Basically anything that is considered offensive
According to Webster, the use of the word pansy in this context is offensive.

Under your interpretation your post about the Atheist and the Christian should be deleted. Is that what you want?
I want the rules to be applied fairly. I will subjugate my posts to the same guidelines.

Do you SERIOUSLY think this an appropriate thread title or are you challenging to do battle?




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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: Swami]
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Are those of you who are atheists scared to try and meet God?
No. Tried and found nobody home.

Too right. All you ever experienced on psychedelics was the trees melting and worms coming out of your eyeballs whenever you looked in the mirror. Tough break man.


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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: ]
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Thank you shroomism.

I will tone down my responses as well to try to better comply with the direction in which you are trying to steer this board.


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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
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It is so funny how we argue. I take all your insults with a sense of humor. You know that I am using humor to get to you and yet you have none.
I used this month's allotment up early on.

Is something wrong with your picture?
Didn't get laid this weekend...






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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: Swami]
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Thank you Swami. I am not trying to silence anyone or anything like that, just make the discussions more peaceful and zen-like.

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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: ]
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I don't necessarily disagree with the rules but I have yet to see them fairly (according to my standard) applied.

I have been to many message boards that are pretty much run by atheists who silence, ban, and bait Christians at every turn. It leaves a crappy taste in my mouth much as Swami's experiences with Christians have.

For the record I amhighly offended by Swami's first post in his Atheist and Christian thread and will wait to see how that is dealt with. If I find that the rules are not equally applied as I think they should I will exercise my freedom of choice and decide not to visit this forum. I have already decided that OTD is the pits and won't go there again.

I sincerely hope that the rules will be fairly applied but I have yet to meet that unbiased moderator.

I wish you luck in enforcing your rules Shroomism. I think you are a superb moderator but I think you have just given yourself an impossible task.

Good Luck,

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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: Swami]
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"Do not bash on other members.
Calling a group of people "panises" is NOT bashing?

But attacks on another persons Spirituality will not be tolerated. See rule #1.
So you don't see this as attacking?

Basically anything that is considered offensive
According to Webster, the use of the word pansy in this context is offensive.

Under your interpretation your post about the Atheist and the Christian should be deleted. Is that what you want?
I want the rules to be applied fairly. I will subjugate my posts to the same guidelines.

Do you SERIOUSLY think this an appropriate thread title or are you challenging to do battle?"

I see nothing wrong with the title because its humor was explained in the very first post.

Congrats Swami, you got your way!

"I didn't get laid this weekend"

Ahh that explains it. You couldn't find any of those Christian whores you were talking about in the other thread. I'm sorry to hear that.

Cheers,

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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: ]
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Well, Mr Mushrooms, as the rules were just applied tonight I haven't done much enforcing yet. If they work the way I am hoping, hopefully I wont have to do much enforcing. I will strive to remain objective in doing this, so favoritism should not be an issue. That is, after all, my job as moderator. I was away for a while so I haven't had a chance to read all the threads but if the post you speak of does in fact offend you, I will ask Swami to tone it down or change it myself. In the spirit of remaining unbiased I am going to read it and see what you are talking about.

namaste

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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
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Atheists ---> Pretty unimaginitive if you ask me...
Why not just make up your own GOd's to worship!

I mean...there is NOTHING! No GID, no soul...sweet fuork ALL! Hahaha!
we are nihilist TALKING monkeys!

OR...

(woman walking down the street in Stilletos, a demented WORSHIP falls to her feet to pray)---
Demented Worshiper...Oh great STILLETO! How wonderous your POINT!
(starts to lik)...redeem us all from the sins of the Clogs, and loafers, and ALL types of sandelware...
I will rejoice, that the great God(ess?) Stiletto WILL REDEEM our souls and take us to the GREAT shoe closet in the sky!
(extract Phalus, and begin to stroke)....
I will consumate! Eat of this seed! It is the life blood of the God(ess?) STILETTO!
Amen! CAn i have a witness!?!?!?1
AMen!

Thx,
the pale e

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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: ]
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If it's any consolation, Shroomism has often been at the receiving end of Swami's critiques. I think he'll try and be as fair as humanly possible. He seems like a stand up guy.

Edited by Evolving (07/29/02 07:21 PM)

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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: ]
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Congrats Swami, you got your way!
How is complying to a greater set of societal laws, my way?

"I didn't get laid this weekend"
Ahh that explains it.
I thought you could recognize humor.

You couldn't find any of those Christian whores you were talking about in the other thread.
Is any woman that sleeps with me a whore? I guess they were busy repenting for the sins of the previous weekend, but - ahh - what a weekend! Those Christian babes get mighty kinky when they let go.

I'm sorry to hear that.
Your condolences are appreciated.



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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: ]
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Thank you Shroomism.

When I first read the first post in that thread I was unsure what to think about it. After Swami has revealed his anger and condemnation of Christians as a group I am deeply offended. I would like to see it reworded, deleted, or otherwise changed to so that it doesn't paint all Christians as if they were wicked idiots.

As far as I'm conerned the rest of his posts in the thread can remain unchanged. I do, however, think the first post needs editing.

Thanks,

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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: Swami]
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"I thought you could recognize humor."

Yassss, well there are different degrees and types, aren't there?

Didn't you see the humor in my post?

I thought it was very funny.

Cheers,

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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: ]
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After Swami has revealed his anger and condemnation of Christians as a group
I don't condemn them as a group, but expect them to live up to the standards that they are attempting to foster on me. Make sense?

I am deeply offended. I would like to see it reworded, deleted, or otherwise changed to so that it doesn't paint all Christians as if they were wicked idiots.
Tell me what line(s) exactly and I will consider it. Please do NOT say the general tone is offensive as that is too vague.



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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: Swami]
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Thank you for your kind offer. After all, you did say you had a moral compass.

Just add the word "some" before the word Christian. That makes it so I am not included in the idiots you correctly portrayed.

Hey, does this mean atheists can have a conscience too?

Cheers,

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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
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In reply to:
Humor is important in this thread. But so is a bit of seriousness. Are those of you who are atheists scared to try and meet God? Are you feeling too much like cowards to pray? Is your conscious so bad off that you can't humble yourself and give God some glory?
Hmmm?



Are you scared to meet the Sasquatch? Don't be. He loves you, believe me, and he wants you to love him. Just kneel down and pray. You will see the Sasquatch, that I know for certain.


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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man.  For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire.  Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.

~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"

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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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The Yeti is a demanding but just god. I read about him on "The Sasquatchery"


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: Swami]
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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
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Umm please explain to me in ur opinion what it means to pray?

Praying is boring. Thinking ur talking to god is boring. Thats just my opinion. Why pray when no one ever responds?


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: Swami]
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You forgot the capital G!! You have angered the Sasquatch!!


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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man.  For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire.  Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.

~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"

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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: Swami]
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Go swami !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yeti kick ass. [Re: Swami]
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Well I have Yeti heritage... all praise "Bob".


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Re: Yeti kick ass. [Re: Sclorch]
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Jesus ( pronouced "hey zoos") himself:


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
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Are those of you who are atheists scared to try and meet God? Are you feeling too much like cowards to pray? Is your conscious so bad off that you can't humble yourself and give God some glory?
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All assumptions. And you know what they say about assume.. it makes an ASS out of U and ME.. haha.. humor, right? ;p

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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: ]
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I personally think that most western well established religions are feel good nonsense. I mean really, when you die that's not the end, no matter how horrible I am someone loves me, no matter what I have done someone accepts me, and all my morals are handed to me on a silver platter, and I am part of something bigger then my self, my life always has meaning, I am right because my book says so - if you don't think I am right your under the influence of evil. Wow, no thinking, no accountability, always feeling loved, never feeling alone, and a reason to live.

All that is fine and great, but say *hypotheticly* someone gives you evidence that all your beliefs are wrong. Every last one, there was no Jesus, we where not created by some all knowing all loving God, the whole dam bible is bullshit. And they prove it to you. Then you had a choice, forget all you learned and live your happy life full of Jesus; or know the truth for the rest of your life and deal with your mortality. What would you chose? Really?

I think being a Christian is convenient. It is nice. It feels good. If you want to believe something really really bad you start to see it. I am an atheist if you mean beliving in no all knowing all seeing deity figure with lightning bolts. But I am a very spiritual person, I love the earth I live on! I love that I am born, I will live my life and then I will return to the earth. It makes me enjoy living, because it is a gift, the energy or 'soul' that is in me will live on forever with the earth my mother, but what is my personality will no longer exist, so it is safe to say that I die... But will you ever get me to believe that what ever is out there is intelligent in the way that we define intelligence, nope. I think that is all just brain juice and chemicals. Souls are on a totally different level. Think about it, no chemicals, no brains...

Why would you get rewarded or punished in eternity for something that your personality does, your personality seems really really dynamic? It changes with what you eat, where your at, the lighting, the sound, the chemical make up of the air and it's density, your thoughts, the moon's location, sun spots, the time of month ect.... What sense would it make; making something that is not your personality, pay for what your personality does? I mean it dies with all the brain juice.

Okay, I know if I put a starving dog in front of a bowel of food, and an empty bowel, I know it will go to the one with food in it. Now I did not create that dogs neurochemistry, how it's environment will effect it, the physical laws surrounding it, and every nuance of everything that it is, and that is around it. But your saying that "God" created all these systems in humans and would not know how someone would react in every situation? I don't buy it. And if he does where does that leave free choice? Without that your pusdo-"Lutheristic" version of Christianity means little to nothing to me.

Dealing with ones own mortality in a rational way to me is much less cowardly then drowning yourself with mythology and dogma.

Now if I am completely wrong, please correct me. I have spent a long time thinking about this and have been on a long spiritual journey. I am not saying that Christians are stupid or dumb or anything, just that unless there is something that I really don't understand about your religion I don't really think I will ever subscribe to it, well about as much chance as I would subscribe to Greek mythology.

I don't pray, I don't ask for forgiveness from my imaginary friend. I really don't think a deity figure would really give a dam. I take responsibility for my actions, and live with the repercussions. How is that cowardly?

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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
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First off, I never said anyone else was filling your head with this BS.

And also, can you answer my question, how on earth is that cowardly?

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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
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I don't think I am turning away from 'him' for inner reasons. Sorry. I think you are turning to a book and a bunch of dogma for inner reasons. I am not saying that your an idiot or anything, if your a 'true' Christian, i.e., you base your ideology on the way they say Jesus acted then hey, more power to ya, I wish there where more nonjudgmental *AHEMMMM* people that lead by example, that love everyone equally... But why is my not believing in Christianity any more a manifestation of an inner malfunction then your not believing in Islam? Just because it is the way you believe does not mean the world revolves around it, or it is necessarily true...

When I poped out of the womb I did not say, praise Jesus, nether did you. It was taught to you. If no one would have ever done so, you would not know "him". So, your turning to your deity, I am not turning away from "him", I never really belived in mithology. I am following an existentialist path and not believing other peoples views on spirituality because they say they are more right then I am. Notice none of the bible is written by "god's" hands or thunderbolts... just peoples, and I trust my self more then them, even if they do say they know better, because they do and they say so...

And wait, I am still not seeing how I am a coward. Why because I don't believe the same as you? Is that a cowardly act, or is putting others down because you don't understand there views, while hiding behind a computer screen cowardly? How about when your 'faith' teaches you that you should, "judge not, lest you be judged" Or something like that?

Follow your own faith before you start to criticize my value system.

Okay???

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enter, i really think you are a plague of bad sense on this forum, but i feel inclined to address your accusation:

In reply to:
Humor is important in this thread. But so is a bit of seriousness. Are those of you who are atheists scared to try and meet God? Are you feeling too much like cowards to pray? Is your conscious so bad off that you can't humble yourself and give God some glory?
Hmmm?



this is not a question that can really be answered. it is more of a provocative accusation. it boils down to: "Are all of you atheists a bunch of chicken shits? Are you all so evil and scared that you can't be chrisitan?" the question is irrelevant and can have no productive answer. it is purely rhetorical, designed to evoke an emotional response. most atheists that i know are thoughtful people who have considered and rejected the ridiculous mythology and harmful psychology of chrisitanity. your question can have no effect on them. on the flip side..your question could just as easily be turned against you... are you as a Christian simply too afraid to admit that God is a cultural concept and that God is dead? can you not sleep without your holy security blanket? is a world without a loving father too scary for yr poor little mind?

you have brought a nonproductive rhetoric to this forum. your question is dishonest and provacative like all of your posts i've read so far. you stir up debates over nothing and then claim victory even as your so-called arguments are dismantled and spread to the four corners of nonsense.

whew!

good bye!

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wouldnt you be intelligent enough to realize that there is no fucking god? you fucking moron. how do you know God exists anyways? I'm not saying there is no possibility a god exists but it makes no logical sense. your a faggot thats basically a sum up of what Im saying.


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enter, enter, enter....

Still picking fights, eh?
I don't think you've read much philosophy. I'm not saying this to put you down. It's just that I can tell from your posts. Read some Nietzsche, really. If you don't understand it, feel free to PM me. Friedrich could teach you a thing or two.


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Hurts doesn't it?
Not this post, but the others?

Not at all, actually. This thread is directed at Athiests first off. Athiests have group meetings. I'd say I'm more of an agnostic (though you probably wouldn't notice the difference). I've also noticed that those who identify themselves with a group tend to be more jumpy when it comes to their belief system. Maybe it's the safety in numbers factor that gives them a sense of security when lashing out. I'm not really sure though.

You should know that no one here could say something that would offend me. You'd really have to know me personally to do such a thing. Only one person that posts here knows me personally (no, it's not Swami or evolving), so maybe they could dredge something up that would actually piss me off... but they wouldn't.

enter... are you stewing like you do after every one of my posts, regardless of its content? You don't have to. I'm not here to piss you off. And since you can't piss me off, there really shouldn't be any hurt feelings on either side. None here.


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"You have faith in nothing and your life is as though you were never even born."
Enter, really, if your mythological beliefs are all that you think life is about, I feel really really sorry for you.

See, now I am not going to say that you are necessarily a marker for your community, but most 'Christians' I talk with are like you. Head up in the clouds so high that they can't see the cracks in the floor of there own beliefs. And when someone has a perfectly legitimate point that they don't agree with, they are evil, or there points are meaningless because their lives are as such (because they are going to hell of course). And sorry, "unbelievers" don't need you.

I mean do you understand how you look to me?
"You have to live your life by this book."
"why?"
"Because it say so."
"how do you know it is true"
"Because it says so"
"I don't think I believe in it"
"your evil and your life means nothing!"
"WTF??? are you serious?"

Like I said the world does not revolve around your religion, just like it does not revolve around Islam or Judaism. Now you most likely realize that if Islam disappeared the world would still go on, just like it always does, why is it so hard to believe that Christianity is the same way?

Look at it from my perspective. If you where a Jew, you would tell me that not believing in Judaism is a manifestation of an inner problem. Same with if you where Islamic. Once again, imagain how frustrating it would be if they told you what your telling me. The fact that your not a Jew means you have some problems....

In a few thousand years if people are still around they will look at this mythology the same as the look at all the other dead religions. Check it out it's a pattern...

But of coruse don't belive me because I am the voice of satan! Or are you just brainwashed?

O, and here is a good question, do you think 'Jesus' would hid behind a computer screen and attack people and put them down, telling them that they mean nothing? Do you really think that is his style? Because by saying your a Christian you are saying that you are trying to be like him... Just some food for thought.

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There is no need or place for that type of vulgar attack. Stand down.


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Wow, like I said how is dealing with things like a rational adult being a coward??
Really?

I really want to know, you have not justified your statements, just picked tiny parts of peoples responses.

"My points are proven in my eyes in this particular thread atleast. No one has been able to successfully and logically refute them." What, because I don't believe exactly like you do, it is like I was not born, and I am a coward, I am a pansy, and I have inner problems? How have you proven any of that? You even retracted *your* initial statement because you realized that it was childish, and it was demeaning.

I just want you to tell me how I am a coward. And why do you feel the need to try and make everyone that has different views then you feel lower and insignificant? Like I asked before, your a Christian right? Then tell me is that how 'Christ' would have operated? Where you an example of how he would have acted??

Really?

Are you giving up because you think you won an argument, or are you trying to save face by saying so?

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Cowardice fears that are preventing us from turning to god? What actually does it mean to turn to god? Start making myself believe that this god actually hears me when i believe he doesnt? Once we are set in our ways i dont think there is no changing us. Same for me as it is for you. You started believing in god because maybe you were taught to. I started not believing in god because i chose to. I didn't see this god as being any importance to me. I believe that there is alot out there i dont understand but all these threads about god are getting each other no where. Its just babble. It is interesting but all we do is try to get the other to believe each other. Let's not look at what we think we know let's look at what we have in common. What do ya think enter? Maybe we could start talking about what the bible teaches and not take it literally that this god has anything to do with it. Love and compassion. We need more of this. We can't change things if we can't change ourselves. I don't like to think of god as this entity that we can pray to.. more like god as everything that exists. God just is. I don't see anything wrong with prayer or going to church. But more would get accomplished if we god passed got and look at things that are really going on. What do you all think?


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Coward?

I can live this life and accept that I have nothing to look forward to after death, that there is no one looking out for me, no higher justice to appeal to, no forgiveness... Just a cold black void above the atmosphere, a universe that is ultimately unaware and uncaring that I'm even alive.

Could you deal with that- assuming it were true?

I don't think you could.

Christianity is a pretty big glass house from which to be throwing "coward" stones.
Not that all or even most Christians believe what they do out of cowardice, but it is a wonderful security blanket. Alone? Don't worry, Jesus loves you. Scared to die? Don't worry, no one really dies, they just go to a happy place where they get to be with their friends and family and God forever. Things going badly? Don't worry, God knows best, it's all part of his plan, it will work out. Been bad? Don't worry, God forgives you.
Ignorance is bliss. I wish I could believe all that comforting feel-good everything's OK, leave it up to God bullshit but I can't. I've grown up, I know better, and so I value reality above security.

If God did not exist, people like you would have to invent him.

The 'Truth'-with-a-capital T of God and Jesus and your whole religion is so obvious to you that you are unable to concieve of the possibility we DO NOT BELIEVE IN IT. It's that simple. But no, as you see it, we must hate God, or resent God, or be too afraid to confront God, or any of these things that only make sense in -your- worldview in which God is a real thing whose 'Truth' is self evident.

I can put myself in your position, why can't you put yourself in mine?





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By the way, why do you reject Mohammed?

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What if everyone was reading the Bible wrong?
What if God is a way of perceiving things (a mindset) and heaven is the peace one receives after the death of one's egocentric view of the world?
If this were the case, could not Jesus rightly claim to be the son of God? I think so.
The messages found in the Bible's lessons still apply if there is no "God".

Of course, this is all coming from one of those asshole 'skeptics'...


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Have you ever met Him?
Who, Jesus? C'mon man, the person's been dead for two thousand years (if he ever actually lived).

Have you ever asked for Him?
Many, many, many times.

Have you ever realized you need Him?
I realized that I don't. I realized that I need to think for myself, to take responsibility for myself, that I can be my own savior.

I provoke all of you who desire to post in this thread to likewise provoke God to interract with you in the privacy of your home or car or wherever. Pray and bug Him until there is nothing left in you to bug Him about.
Then come back after a fair amount of time and energy has been truly exhausted and report to us what occurs. No lying. No cheating.
Been there, done that - for years. Nothing happened, nada, zip, zilch, zero. I realized, much to my emotional discomfort that I had been lied to for years by people who never fully questioned their beliefs. Was I angry at 'god'? No, why should I be angry at other people's mythical creation to explain all of the unknown? This would be akin to being angry with Santa. Am I a 'Christian hater'? No, there's enough hate emanating from Christians at me for questioning their beliefs, for pointing out that 'The Emperor Has No Clothes.' I mostly laugh at their silly explanations and circular reasoning (such as citing scripture to back up their beliefs). I wonder why they fear the unknown so much and cling to mythological explanations like a security blanket.

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Of course, this is all coming from one of those asshole 'skeptics'...
I never called you or anyone that, Sclorch. So stop trying to paint a FALSE picture of me, as you do with others apparently.
I never said you did... so stop assuming that my post was entirely directed at you.

Have you ever met Him?
I can honestly say no.

Have you ever asked for Him?
When I was younger, before I realized that Jesus was a Zen master. Hell, even for a short period afterward, I still believed in such ethereal things.

Have you ever realized you need Him?
This is a loaded question. It assumes that I need "Him". To answer anyway, no, I have never realized I need "Him".

Then come back after a fair amount of time and energy has been truly exausted and report to us what occurs. No lying. No cheating.

How about 16 or so years of praying and going to church? Will that suffice?
What about ALL those unanswered prayers of mine? I wasn't always a non-believer. "God" had to convince me he didn't exist. He's made one hell of an argument I must say... I'll never go back to believing in him (unless a bush catches fire and starts talking to me and telling me about my innermost secrets).

I grew up in a strict-but-not-anally-strict household. I attended church at least once a week until high school. I transferred to a Catholic school, then I had mass every morning for 45 minutes (imagine yourself just trying to wake up and you have to stand for a total of 30 minutes singing hymns about why God is so wonderful...). It wasn't until a few months before my first LSD experience that I started to not believe in God. After about 20 or so trips, piles of philosophy books, and several upper-level philosophy courses, I realized that I didn't need God. Now when I go to church with my family (obligation), I feel sorry for all the old people that wander in looking for salvation after a lifetime without faith (foxhole believers?).

Of course, I'm just some fucking idiot who has no experience with church, religion, God, prayer, beliefs, and whatnot...

If that's enough, let's proceed with the Scripture.


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Without offense to anybody, I am going to write spontaneous thoughts on what I think about religion:

I accept the fact that a god may exist ...

I myself don't BELIEVE in a god, except for nature AS a god ...

I wouldn't waste a second of my life praying to something that I have no evidence of. I refuse to accept the Bible or anything of the like into my life, because there is no true evidence that any of it is true. People can say what they want, until I actually have something happen to me where I have at least a temporary glimpse of "god" then I will let him be.

I personally believe religion was first created to keep people in order. Notice how everything in the Bible has a moral and how often things that are supposedly "bad" will make you go to hell. Sounds an awful lot like drug propoganda to me.

I respect everybody who is religious, provided they DON'T TRY TO PUSH THEIR FUCKING BELIEFS ON ME LIE EVERY RELIGIOUS PERSON I HAVE EVER MET. I don't know what people think gives them the right to tell me I'm wrong and they're right just because they are religious and I am not. There is no excuse. Religious people who push beliefs onto others are obviously so insecure they feel they have to control the world. I don't push my anti-religious beliefs onto religious people, why do they do it to me?

Praying has proved a complete waste of time in my life

Good friends of mine who have been praying to god, being completely good their entire lives and always being on the dot about religion and god's existance one day woke up to find their dad dead and their mom going to jail because of something that happened to them. They did nothing wrong. Now the kids are homeless and poor. They have a dead father and a mother in jail. So those many years of praying sure payed off, huh?

I will always believe something like god may exist. I don't doubt anything. But until I find any proof it, in my life or death, I won't worry until then.

A person who tells me to believe in god is essentially asking me to put blind faith that Luke Skywalker was a real person. Hey, there is just as much evidence as Luke's existance as god's existance

That's all for now. I never would mean to be offensive through my beliefs on religion, and I would never verbally attack a religious person unless they try to push religion into my life. If I want religion I'll go find it myself.


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I do not often post here, the reason being that I know I am intellectually over matched(there are those that would say that I am intellectually overmatched even at OTD but I digress). I guess the only point I wish to make is........why after 2000 years is everyone still debating/arguing the existence/meaning of Jesus Christ? If it were that obvious that his life and teachings and his claim to be the true son of God were false, then wouldn't he have long since been forgotten? Why does he still raise such conrtoversy and conflicting feeling/emotion after all this time......... just wondering


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I am a son of God.


I am also God. Just not all of God.


You are God as well.




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What if all the world you think you know,
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wouldn't he have long since been forgotten?

Damn near every religion that has ever existed STILL EXISTS. Does that mean that they're right? No. There are several religions that are MUCH older than christianity, so if truth is a question of staying power, what about the older religions?

Why does he still raise such conrtoversy and conflicting feeling/emotion after all this time?

I'll take you in a nice linear progression...
1. Because the majority of people of this world are religious.
2. There are several MAJOR religions.
3. Christianity is the primary religion of the industrialized world.
4. The industrialized world is more powerful than anything else in this world.
5. There are some people who don't like being controlled by those of fundamentally opposing views.

Is that enough? Is it clear? I could go on.

enter- I said a little prayer... just to humor you. Does God get a time limit?


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You still didn't answer my question enter. DOES GOD GET A TIME LIMIT?

He obviously would not even try to meet God if he were given an angelic invitation.
No, actually, this is what would happen if an actual angel showed up:

Sclorch: Can you hold on for just one second, I have to get my camera so all the other non-believers don't call me a liar or crazy?
Angel: Well, I don't know about that... God has these policies about faith and belief and stuff.
S: I understand. Since you're taking me to him, let me get your picture and if God doesn't think it's cool, I'll just destroy the film. Sound good?
A: Well, I guess so...
S: Say CHEESE!
A: cheese
S: Great... now take me to God.

God will forgive me if I'm wrong about his existence. If he doesn't, then he's no God that I'd like... I'm not down with the "angry God of vengeance and whatnot". If he's a dick, then he can just fuck off.


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"Damn near every religion that has ever existed STILL EXISTS. Does that mean that they're right? "

Scorch, I don't believe that my saying that the longevity factor was any sort of proof as to the correctness or incorrectness of any religious dogama or belief. All I was imparting was/is that it's very strange(to me at least) that after all these years, that here WE are talking/debating about Jesus Christ on the message board at the Shroomery, that be all mate


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I'm going to copy and paste enter's reply from above and then make some comments below it.
Here's enter's reply:

For those of you who have not yet experienced God, I simply pose a question to you: Would God, who knows all things present and future, reveal Himself to someone with this type of mentality? I think it's blatantly obvious why God is so silent so often.

1. I still didn't get an answer.
2. Why is it always MY fault that God never surfaced?
3. Get off your soapbox.


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1. I'm not a prophet or a son of a prophet. I can't answer your question
Fair enough.

but I'm guessing you're not going to hear back based on you telling God that if He exists he must be evil cus your so cool and He ought to talk to you first.
You should've stopped while you were ahead. If only God had given you better reading comprehension skills... I didn't say God was evil. I will say that if God punished me (i.e. sending me to "Hell") for not whoreshipping him or believing in him or whatever, then I'd rather spend the afterlife in Hell... at least no one will be lying to me about their holiness.

2. God has repeatedly surfaced and still does today. Try going to a pentecostal or charismatic church. I'm sure you'll fit right in.
This is a non-answer. You're not very skilled at dodging them... you should do some research on question-dodging. Try checking out old David Lee Roth interviews - HE was good at question-dodging. I like the lame "diss" at the end there though... not so clever, but cute.


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i like the way you lumped me in with the guy who called you a faggot, enter. nice move.

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Sorry, I have nothing to add to this thread. I believe that it has deteriorated from it's oringal purpose to just another forum for "those wh believe" to pressure the rest of us to be nice to them. This is philosophy and spirituality. I am afraid that the term "philosophy" in this context should be better defined, if not, then there is bound to be confusion.

Now, why I bothered to type anything at all: Sclorch, I nearly wet myself laughing when I read this:

"God will forgive me if I'm wrong about his existence. If he doesn't, then he's no God that I'd like... I'm not down with the "angry God of vengeance and whatnot". If he's a dick, then he can just fuck off. "

I have always found the use of "colorful metaphors and euphamistic slang" rather responsive for the miscommunication between people of differing belief systems and ages. I doubt that, in this case, there is any room for mis-understanding what Sclorch was saying.

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Why are we still debating him?
Because the concept of Christianity has good survival value.

1. Jesus loves you.
People like being loved. Whenever someone has had a loss or bad time in there life, and they need someone to love them, here people come with this idea that no matter how bad of a person they are someone loves them, very akin to the way sexual predators go after partners. This brings a lot of people to the religion.

2. The bible is your moral compass.
now all your actions are justified if you follow the rules, making the
actions of others you disagree with wrong. You also don't have to think much about what you are going to do in any given situation, it is there for you already. This kind of confidence makes people interested, a lot of weak people like this, turning to the religion.

3. If you don't believe you go to hell.
now you have a mission in life, spread this to everyone, even if it means torturing them to death, to get them to believe you don't want your friends in pain forever do you???

4. Be fruitful and multiply.
have kids and raise them in a Christian household, it's the right thing to do, you don't want them going to hell...

So, humm, you have a bunch of confident people and there children finding people that are weak and need something to believe in, and jumping on them, now they do the samething. And they are justified in doing this because they are saving these people from eternal damnation, it's there 'life work'. So years after it's original purpose, a method of control, it is still lingering in society.

Gee, I wonder why it has been around for like 2000 years.... (that's to say that you believe the bible is the truth, and modern-day scholars have the dates correct, Ps. AD does not stand for after dead....)

(It's amazing that it has not reached invasion of the body snatchers proportions. I can just see it now. Me and one last person with a level head left on earth. I have to part ways with her for a bit. A few days later I meet her at the park.
"I don't know if I can hold out any longer, I think we're the only ones left."
"JESUS LOVES YOU"
"AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
as the sceen fades out, the lurker falls to the ground, you are left with the impression that the earth is lost.)

lurker.

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enter enter enter, tsk tsk tsk

You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

Instead of trying to talk people to death why don't you just let your light shine? As far as I remember light does not make a sound.

Are you afraid that if you don't get someone to agree with you then your 'faith' is a sham? Who really is the coward here?

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Well, if we're playing catch... just know that I have a wicked fastball.
Brush fire? Sounds like your God's got a few friends over, eh?


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You seem so firm in your faith. How do you know it's real? Are you relying on experiences? What makes you think Christ is the savior? How do you know you are not deluded?

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Well if Judas who saw and witnessed and lived with Jesus didn't get it, then he must not have been all that convincing a Messiah.


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Re: Are Atheists correct? We'll never know for sure.. [Re: Swami]
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I had this up on another thread... But then deleted it once I started reading this.

Why didn't god create us equals?It sometimes makes me feel as though he made us more for amusement. Does it not feel as though there is a feeling of being a slave when believing in religion. Or is it more on the level of he loves us the way we love, say a dog. If given this possibility to create something like humans would you not make them equals to you? Are would you too be power hungry?

This is merely a question, not a fight..

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Not to be rude, but I ask for 15 years. It really started to get to me when a god that loves us all so much couldn't talk to me, but some how gets it across to you.
Let me change around my question, if you were the maker "made out of love", would you make them have to prove anything to you. Pray to you, make chruches after you or would you want them to be equals. If the answer to anyone is "yes" then you to should be a god. I would never create something that I had to be the god of.

The funny thing about it is, we all question, or we wouldn't even waist our time talking about this.

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Sorry after reading what you wrote again I understand a little better were you are coming from. I didn't mean why did he not make us human equal, I mean why didn't he make us equal to him? I should have made this more clear..

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>"How will the creation say to the Creator, "Make us like You."?
Why can't it?

See the argument on this subject is always going to be the same. One side can only see in the boundaries that it is given because he/she feels that boundaries were given by a "Creator". You said this better then most "It doesn't work that way. You're taking all of this like your the outsider."
Well, I am.

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Perhaps...

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You ask me to stop in one post, then in a follow-up post you keep me going. What am I to think of you, Mr. Mushrooms?

I do not remember asking you to stop. I did, however, hint that there are better ways of discussing religion.

Think of me as a friend who wants to know more about your faith.

>How do you know it's real?

Noone knows much of anything. We believe. John 3:16 isn't on posters at football stadiums to cause knowledge to come forth but faith and belief. (He who BELIEVES shall be saved...).

Fair enough. What is a good reason to believe?

Are you relying on experiences?

Mostly, yes. But also an abundant amount of evidence. Christ is practically in front of us at all times. You cannot escape Him. It is simply not possible.

I think it is very dangerous to rely on experiences. A person can have all kinds of experiences. Without some kind of other evidence a person could follow any religion and think it is true. What factual evidence are you referring to? The natives in the jungle have Christ in front of them at all times? Please be more explicit because your statement seems nonsensical.

What makes you think Christ is the savior?

Because the Holy Spirit has confirmed to me His identity. Secondly, the day the Holy Spirit filled me back in December of 1996 my life dramatically changed. And I do mean dramatically. I was saved that day. (The details I shall keep to myself).

People pass through all kinds of life changing experiences but that does not mean that the existence of a heavenly being is the truth. If you are saved, do you sin? How do you know that your religion is not a false one and that demons have given you only enough of the truth to make you fit for hell? Aren't Satan and his demons angels of light?

And why keep the details to yourself about your experiences? What if someone needs them in order to be saved? It looks like you are hiding something.

How do you know you are not deluded?

This is indeed a possibility. Again, it goes back to faith. If I am deluded, I assure you I am no more deluded than anyone else. We're all on the saming playing field, otherwise we wouldn't chat so much, would we?

If you admit it is a possibility that you are deluded then how in the world can you justify asking someone to believe as you do? People do not, as a rule, follow others who think they might be mad. And if you are deluded you would have no way of knowing is anyone else is or not. I am not sure that we are on the same playing field at all.

Now, what about you...? Where do you stand and why?

I do not share the details of what I think to be truth in an open forum because I do not know who is supposed to hear it and who is not.

I will say this though. What I think to be true is always open to revision. Always. Otherwise I might never know the truth.

Think on it.

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Organized religion is for the week willed. People who believe in God and Christ are looking for a abusive father figure. God is not good he/she/it if exists is the cruelest being in the universe. Those who are swayed into his flock are brain washed fools. There is no intelligent conversation that can be had with someone of the faith. Humans would be far better off if religion kept it's dirty hands out of the lives of the people. Religion just another word for perversion.

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enter-

1. First off, this: "Our worldwide calendar is based on His life." is just not true.

2. You said this:
He holds the office as the King of Kings, and He wants that office. I think it's a simple matter of pride and He wants His own identity so as to create the ability to have external relationships with humans whom He has created

I take it then that your God doesn't abide by the same rules as he has given you.
Isn't pride one of the seven deadly sins?


3. This is where I have my problem with religion (specifically the Abrahamic faiths)... A God of love that will strike down with great vengeance and furious anger those sinners who don't drop and give him 20... 'hail marys'. I can't accept that kind of a God. If God is perfect (which no religious person would doubt), then why is there so much internal conflict within God? I mean, God has so much internal conflict that he almost seems, well... human.


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Re: Are Atheists correct? We'll never know for sure.. [Re: World Spirit]
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this thread really pisses me off for some reason.


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Sclorch, you really need to get some fresh material man. You're not even challenging me. We're just getting boring at this point, going around a circle of debate.

This reminds me of when I play with my dog. We play fetch with sticks, frisbees, balls etc. He gets bored after awhile and wants to quit (he doesn't seem to get that tired of running around though). I can understand, I get bored with playing fetch after awhile too. The thought HAS occured to me that maybe a game of chess would be more challenging for old Spike, but then I realize "Wait a minute... it's a fucking dog, Sclorch. What are you thinking? A dog can't play chess!" So I just keep tossing balls for him. Maybe one day... nah, dogs can't play chess.


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Hey enter, fetch....... j/k

Cheers,

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I am but since your sense of humor is so good I thought I'd try to lighten the moment and provide peace thru joking. Didn't you find it funny? I did.

BTW, what about Hitler? j/k as well

Cheers,

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You missed my point. It's that whole reading comprehension handicap, I think.
I could play you and buy right into your little game, but I'd probably have to let you win just so you won't start flaming me in every thread here. What good would a head-to-head aptitude matchup do for you?

Two possible scenarios that I would want to avoid:
1. I beat you; you hold it against me and flame me in every thread.
2. I let you beat me; you pretend you're somehow more knowledgeable (hence, "righter" in your book) than I and keep using your "win" to "prove" that you have some greater insight than I do.

It's a lose-lose situation. Besides, chess is for WASPs.


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Oh Sclorch get real. Insects don't play chess.

1. d4

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You know enter if you grew up with a book called say book X that had all of these beliefs and jon smith. Youd be arguing with us today about the truth of god in book X and jon smith the savior. Am i right or am i right? No really! Am i right?


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Ok then enter... how am i wrong?

Lets go over this again... You were taught book X and about jon smith the savior. Wouldnt you believe in it? Wouldn't you also be here today with us discussing book X and jon smith? You said no but that just made no sense. Logically what would be going on?

Or have i stumped the religousness out of ya?


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You have yet to give a valid answer. Just think about it.

Why is there more than one religion and only one god?


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Gee you still probably havent even put any rational thought into my first question. Just say it to urself "god is real... god is real... god has to be real"


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The only God i would concede to worship is one that would design stupid people, like you, without mouths.

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Droz may or may not be right about you specifically, but most everyone adopts the religion of their parents and surrounding culture. This means that truth is secondary to societal acceptance.


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You know, for a while there, I thought you had actually changed gears there enter. Maybe if I ask you about your god will you treat me nice. If you are truly a Christian then you would treat even your enemies as good as your friends...
And don't make me out to be the bad guy by criticizing your actions, by calling your self a Christian you open yourself up to it.

I would not have been so discussed with this thread in the beginning and started challenging you if the title of your thread had not been "Are atheist pansies? Yes, indeed they are." and had a picture of a boot kicking an ass beside it. Your point was not to care for or help them along so that they might later 'know god' as you would put it, it was to put them down, and make yourself look good for your beliefs. How pridefull, demeaning, and judgmental. Was Christ any of those things?

Really, was he?
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Re: Are Atheists correct? We'll never know for sure.. [Re: World Spirit]
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>Fair enough. What is a good reason to believe?

Many people have made lists, some of which you can even find online, that give reasons why they believe in Jesus Christ. I recommend you check out those lists so you can get a broader perspective, but I’m guessing you’ve seen those lists anyway. As for me, there is only one good reason to believe: It is the undeniable truth and to forget that or pervert that is a “sin worthy of death,” to quote the apostle John. Now, I realize to most people this is not undeniable truth. For me it is after the life I’ve had thus far. So for me personally, that is my answer for a ‘a good reason to believe.’ It is the truth and I’m not going to forget it – ever.

So you are saying that the best reason you can come up with is because if you don't believe them you'll burn in hell. I see.


>What factual evidence are you referring to?

There are a few different angle that I can take to answer this question. Some people have made efforts to write entire books about the evidence of Jesus Christ, both historically and through spiritual truths.
Jesus Christ has left a permanent mark on the entire earth. Our worldwide calendar is based on His life. People have claimed to have repeated experiences with the Holy Spirit who, in turn, led these same people to the reality of Jesus Christ’s life, death, resurrection and position as the Son of God.
Worldwide you will find almost too many churches dedicated to Jesus Christ, some being Godly, some not so Godly unfortunately. Nevertheless, just about wherever one goes, one has a human presentation of this Man Jesus Christ. If you do not stumble across a church or look at certain historical facts, chances are you will be witnessed to by a Christian, some being Godly, some not so Godly, unfortunately.
If you do not look at history, the church, or personal testimony – behold: The signature of God’s artwork (meaning the natural world/the physical world) is constantly in front of you wherever you go. It is an amazing thing to look at the detail and intricacy of nature and how it all grooves and weeves together in a very organized fashion. The trees and plants give us oxygen to breathe and food to eat. We are able to multiply and procreate new men and woman, maintaining the human race, while each animal likewise procreates as male and female, maintaining each of their kinds.
Furthermore, there is the blessed dilemma of the psilocybe mushroom. What a contrived thing to have on the same earth that mankind is on. And this takes us to what many call the astral plane – a higher state of consciousness in which we begin to function on a far more spiritual level, at least for those of us who are willing to truly venture.
Furthermore, there is the mystery of the Scriptures, which testify of Jesus in a very, very clear fashion and millions of people identify with the Pentecostal experience named in Acts chapter two. Furthermore, there is the conviction of the Scriptures, the amazing impact in which they have when read to someone, or when someone reads the Scriptures themselves.
I could go on. I hope I have at least given some acceptable evidence to the ‘court.’

I am well acquainted with apologetics but I find them unconvincing to atheists. that's not much to go on.

People have all sorts of experiences. If one is to go on that then how does one know which experiences lead to truth and which ones lead to error?

As far as nature is concerned it is wonderous to look at but it does not lead people by itself to Christ. If it did Christ would not have told His people to "go ye out into all the world".

As far as psilocybian mushrooms are concerned there are many toxic poisons that can give people altered states. That doesn't offer any evidence at all for the existence of Christ.

The Scriptures can have an effect on some people but not others. If God loves everyone and wants them to be saved then why do some people read the Bible, while searching and come away empty handed?

The experiences at Pentecost were had by a very few people and since we weren't there we only have a clue what it was that they experienced.


>If you are saved, do you sin?

Of course. The apostle John said it best when he said, “He who says he has no sin is a liar and the truth is not in him.” I certainly have more than a few dozen sins. This religion is not about perfection. Ultimately it’s about atonement and a harmony with God Almighty who gave us life. It is not a guilt trip, although you will even find in the Torah a “guilt offering” which people would make for their own conscience’ sake.

If John referring to Christians or Non-Christians?


>How do you know that your religion is not a false one and that demons have given you only enough of the truth to make you fit for hell?

No offense, but this is kind of a silly thing to ask to me personally. If it’s so false, why do my words burn into so many people so swiftly?

No offense given or taken. There could be a number of reasons why your words "burn into people so swiftly". Perhaps you make them angry with your superior attitude? People have mentioned that so I assume that is what they make of you.


>Aren't Satan and his demons angels of light?

Satan is/was the angel of light and certainly can deceive. He’s a puppet though. He’s not in the forefront of my psyche or religion or life. He can be likened to the opposition that God brought against Israel during times of disobedience which you can check out in the Torah. God does indeed use evil spirits to afflict us to bring about change for the better. This sounds a bit cartoon-like or movie-like but to some of us, it has become to make very logical sense in a world of true free will.

Fair enough.


>And why keep the details to yourself about your experiences? What if someone needs them in order to be saved? It looks like you are hiding something.

I feel like it. I can save no one, nor do I really wish to, if I may be so frank. I’m more of the type of person who wishes to stir up people and cause them to question if they are on the right track or not. I am allowed to keep to myself what I wish, am I not?

I don't know, are you?


If you admit it is a possibility that you are deluded then how in the world can you justify asking someone to believe as you do?

This is perhaps one of the greatest perversions that a non-believer constantly brings to the table. If you’ll reread ALL or any of my posts, I haven’t asked anyone to believe what I do. I simply tell people what I think and poke and jab at them in a polite and playful way. Even though many people here disagree with me quite firmly, we do seem to enjoy conversing with one another rather often. As I’ve written before, it’s a strange harmony that occurs between a believer and a non-believer when they can remain somewhat polite to one another. It’s a contrast that does have some form of beauty to it.

What you take for playfulness is not taken that way be everyone, myself included. I find myself agreeing with Shroomerylurker when he says:

"I would not have been so discussed (sic) with this thread in the beginning and started challenging you if the title of your thread had not been "Are atheist pansies? Yes, indeed they are." and had a picture of a boot kicking an ass beside it. Your point was not to care for or help them along so that they might later 'know god' as you would put it, it was to put them down, and make yourself look good for your beliefs. How pridefull, demeaning, and judgmental. Was Christ any of those things?

Really, was he?"

Your pictures of Trolls in reference to Sclorch are in poor taste. If you thought they were funny you should have put a smiley face by them. And if you think that many others find your posts funny, how many LOL's and smiley faces do you see when they answer you?

You come across as mean-spirited and devilish. If I were an atheist I would thank God that I wasn't like you. (pun)

>Think on it.

Likewise.

Why would I do otherwise?

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There were no "struck nerves" as you call them. I am simply making an observation based on your replys to others and their replies to you in return.

You do know what a troll is, don't you? It is a person that acts as you have described yourself. Baiting is their game.

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At 7:53 pm, approximately 7 hours ago, you said, "I'm still ready to go to bat with anyone who actually has something legitimate and heartfelt to say."

I guess you didn't mean it.

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In reply to:
Besides , isnt it God's job to Judge?



god does not judge

and if the core belief of satanism is that we are god... then i guess i am kind of a satanist... but i think the difference is that the satanists believe that ONLY we are god, while i know that god is All There IS, and that there is nothing god is not... therefore there is no satan, making a religion around him useless (well, religion is useless anyways)


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it is not about repenting to god... it is about seeing the glory in him, and in his creation... every part of his creation...
and the image about confessing you have is religious, not spiritual... god wants us to take responsibility for our actions, indeed that is the only way for us to evolve... he doesnt stand up there saying "this is wrong" or "that is right" nor does he punish us for something "wrong" afterwards... we have a FREE will, there is no judgement, and no punishment... the only ones to decide whether we have sinned or not is ourselves... and i dont like the word sin either... if you realize you have done something that does not agree with who you are, and want to be, then simply chose again... do it right this time... but be aware that you have to carry the concecuences of that action...
and i tell you this... no one does something he thinks is "wrong" according to the image of themselves and the world they have in that moment... lets take hitler for instance... he was convinces what he was doing is right... and the sadness and shame lies not in his idea, but in all the people following him, and agreeing with what he had to say and do... only years after people started to see what his actions were about they began to refuse to follow him... if you have a real crazy idea, but all of a sudden hundreds of people agree with that idea, it doesnt seem that crazy anymore, does it?


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oh! and swami... you get feedback... you just refuse to see it/hear it, because it would make your view of the world crumble down... god talks to everyone! all the time... you just have to listen (what almost no does actually)


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because it would make your view of the world crumble down

You know nothing of me and cannot possibly make this assessment. Like most "believers" you must stray from any form of real discussion. Instead of analyzing me, why not tell me how God speaks to me and how I can DEFINITIVELY hear him.

Please don't get all poetic and tell me that God talks to me in a baby's cry and by the leaves rustlng in the wind...

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i mean your view of the world as in "everybody is responsible for themselves"... there is no god... we just happen to be here out of a HUGE coincidence... we are separate from each other... and so on... i didnt mean to judge the way you view the world, and i did never say i knew much about you... i just used one of the few facts i have about you (you dont believe in god, you believe in human mind and rational thinking) as to put an example of the view of our world that would crumble if you started listening to god... because for me once you start believin in god, everything changes, everything is reborn...
and well... god speaks to you through everything... through me right now, for instance (i know your gonna say im delusional, but i can live with that)... god speaks to you through yourself, believe in or not... through the first sentence the next person you meet says to you... through the next article you read in a magazine... through the next song you hear in the radio... he is always providing answers to your questions, you just have to listen...


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Lozt Soul, one question...

Where do you get your hope?


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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: Sclorch]
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kill yrselves.

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Fair enough.


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You say that he is always providing answers to our questions.. but is "he" really?By saying that we talk to god all the time, because we are god and we talk to ourselves, does nothing. You can say we are one but in actuality we are all unique. The thing i dont understand is how people like enter think of god as some entity that can actually talk to us. Where is god right now and what is "he" doing? God is.


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god is not an entity as in the traditional sense of it... he can take form of an entity, yes... if he wants to... but he is more than that... he is everything there is... therefore you are right in saying that "god is" he simply is, always was and could not "not be"... ever...
and yes, we are all unique... as unique as we want to be... but that doesnt change the fact that we are all ONE... all a part of the same infinite beeing (notice i say a part, not apart)...


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In reply to:
I seriously did not know pansy meant homosexual,


And you have the nerve to say I'm not clever.
Indeed.
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god does not judge


You're a good egg LS- I imagine if I were God, i would be judging left and right. Just Ask Enter, he saw God and Elvis on the Mother Ship as it dropped him off in a Crop circle.
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I dont see any god around here

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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
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I had been writting a long post that probably would offend god fearing folk, but decided against submiting it. Sufice it to say that I would assume go to hell than be a made puppet for an egomaniac. I won't whorship those idols (cross and crucifix). I will take the future of the world on my sholders as my charge and responsibility imstead of passing the future to some unseen egoimaniac.

If there was a God that deserved my love and devotion we wouldn't know it because he would no let himself be known. He would simply weigh my contribution at the end.

The devil would likely create bibles and scriptures to divide and confuse people. He would make idols like crosses and such for you to waste your life whorshiping.

Im more agnostic though. To me god and devil, good and evil are all the same thing. They are one. two sides of the same coin. The yin,yang. The force.One can not exist in the absense of the other.


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: mntlfngrs]
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In reply to:
To me god and devil, good and evil are all the same thing. They are one. two sides of the same coin. The yin,yang. The force.One can not exist in the absense of the other.



well they are in this material world... god created the relativity of god and evil, se we can be able to experience who we truly are... we cannot know god?s greatness and glory without knowing the opposite... how do you know warmth without knowing cold? but once we leave this material plane of existance, relativity ceases to exist


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: In(di)go]
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So once we leave here we can have one without the other? I don't buy it. So God existed before everything else and was good without the existence of evil? BS He was all including evil.


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: mntlfngrs]
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ok... imagine just light... infinite light... which is god... and your soul is god... hence, your soul is light... and now imagine your little soul, your little light together with all the other little lights, forming one big sea of magnificent light... how can you (your soul) know how bright it shines if all there is is light? the soul has to be sent into darkness (relativity) to know its true power... its true might... but once our soul leave this relativity, this material world... we get back to god... to the infinite light... until we chose to reincarnate... is this making any sense?


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: In(di)go]
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ok... imagine just light... infinite light... which is god... and your soul is god... hence, your soul is light... and now imagine your little soul, your little light together with all the other little lights, forming one big sea of magnificent light... how can you (your soul) know how bright it shines if all there is is light? the soul has to be sent into darkness (relativity) to know its true power... its true might... but once our soul leave this relativity, this material world... we get back to god... to the infinite light... until we chose to reincarnate... is this making any sense?

When people say things like that, I don't think they seriously believe it. They only say it for the sake of being spiritual.


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: Zahid]
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actually, you are right... i don?t believe it... i KNOW it


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: Zahid]
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Not everyone uses a manual.


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: sir tripsalot]
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How predictable.

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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: ]
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Shh baby Jesus is sneaking:


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: sir tripsalot]
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man did you see the hair-dos on that page? (fiese-scheitel.de) oh my... the 80's... be sure to check out the "schamhaarfrisuren" section... some evil pics there


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: In(di)go]
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No, you don't. You don't even know what you're talking about anymore. Can you sell me a bottle of spiritual energy for my dog Clifford?


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: Zahid]
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it?s not your place to judge me, or anyone else... it says in the bible, and i sure hope it says so in the q?uran, too... yet you keep judging people... and if your going to judge anyway, start by yourself...
and what?s that stuff about selling you spiritual energy for your dog???? first of all i think your dog is spiritual enough... differing from humans, animals are not ego driven... so the one needing spiritual energy would be perhaps you...


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Why Zahid is so wonderful..... by Jack Handey [Re: In(di)go]
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and if your going to judge anyway, start by yourself...

Lozt Soul, you're obviously wrong here... Zahid is a perfect being, he's muslim. C'mon, we all KNOW the Qur'an is error-free... and it hasn't changed in blahblahblah years.

The Qur'an MUST be perfect, because look at how well the Islamic world is doing (overall)... they have a bunch of oil, they get to treat their women like shit, they get to blow shit up if they feel like it (yeah, they die in the process, but at least they get all those virgins in heaven), they have a whole lot of sand... it already sounds like heaven to me. So you should watch your tongue mister, because you're just a fucking infidel that is going to hell because you won't bow down to the almighty (and loving) Allah. That's right, all us Muslims will be up in heaven with the One True God... it's gonna be great... we'll look down at your sorry souls and laugh our asses off at your misery HAHAHAHHAHAHA. You know, because that's what us believers get for picking the right team. Go God!

P.S. Sclorch is going to hell.


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Re: Why Zahid is so wonderful..... by Jack Handey [Re: Sclorch]
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LOL. Damn Sclorch, I'm convinced. Only a couple things keepin' me from being a Muslim, BABY BACK RIBS & BACON!

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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: Swami]
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Instead of analyzing me, why not tell me how God speaks to me and how I can DEFINITIVELY hear him.


"God" resides in all things. We are a part of it, it is a part of us. Like an eternal cosmic creative force it is like a web which connects all things. To speak to God, one must go within. For if God cannot be recognized within, it cannot be recognized without. 'Going within' does not necessarily mean meditation..although that can be a very useful tool.. but rather to enjoy the more simple things of life.. appreciativeness for being alive.. breathing... conscious... thinking...being.....
Being a part of God we can find it within. Where there are no limitations or distorted material only absolute eternal love and light. The Universe was created out of love, so one would imagine that would be a good place to start.

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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: ]
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Well said little one

Listen for my voice in the whisper of the wind...

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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: ]
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what unites some divides us all

people should separate GOD from religion and live and let live.

oh....and they should STOP KNOCKIN ON MY DOOR!!!!!!!!


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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: ]
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Please don't get all poetic and tell me that God talks to me in a baby's cry and by the leaves rustlng in the wind...

Listen for my voice in the whisper of the wind...

Lord, you are pretty cool and all, but I asked nicely...



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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: ]
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For if God cannot be recognized within, it cannot be recognized without.
This does not necessarily follow. I can recognize a chair in my living room, but not inside me.

.. but rather to enjoy the more simple things of life.. appreciativeness for being alive.. breathing... conscious... thinking...being.....
I enjoy things without feeling a connection or communicating to any divine source.

Where there are no limitations or distorted material only absolute eternal love and light.
Many people are quite distorted inside.

The Universe was created out of love, so one would imagine that would be a good place to start.
I see no evidence that the universe was created out of love nor does it seem a loving place to live. We live in a world of predators where every creature is in constant struggle to get their own safe haven and share of the goods.



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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: Swami]
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You are alive...thinking and breathing are you not?

That's a pretty big privilege in and of itself

I'll quote Droz... Enjoy life, cause damn it's great

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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: ]
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Being alive and breathing does not point a greater purpose or a divine plan.

Illness used to be believed to be caused by demons before pathogens were discovered.

In the same way that because we don't understand life, we make up some story about deities.


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: In(di)go]
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Yeah I hear ya and it is funny how close but how far away we are on this.
soul leave this relativity, this material world... we get back to god... to the infinite light... until we chose to reincarnate
Exactly what I think exept I don't give IT a single identity by calling IT and name like GOD . So close we are. I think that there is a collective conscience that we come from. We come to this physical reality that we created for the purpose of learning and evolving spiritualy. We created this plane as a way for us to experiance ourselves, everything. Before we were all there was and through a sort of birthing we created physical reality. We/ IT are both good and bad, light and dark. We take back to the collective the sum of our experiance for better or worse. This is the eternal struggle between good and evil. At time one or the other may befome dominant and almost destroy the other but through time things change and the pendulum swings. Duality casn be found in all things. It is the very nature of the universe, and since it is created of us and a reflection of us/ IT , the collective spirit. "GOD" is all of us and we are all "GOD". IT is not seperate from us. You can find it in church but that is not because of your prays or your idols you pray to. Within is where IT lies and you need only look there to find IT .


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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: ]
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pansy my left ass cheek! if god is so great then why the fuck can i continue to burn churches? and why can i preach on about his nonexsistence and/or satans glory? i think religious people are pansies, satanists, christians, muslims, every1 becuz u are in too much fear to live your lives without worrying that u might be hit by a dumptruck, or get shot, or some stoopid shit, why not live ur life for u and not for some god that u have no proof if he exsists or not? and the first post on this thread said something along the lines of us atheists being cowards cuz we are afraid to pray, i say take a hard long look at wut u said and maybe u may realize that u are the ones that are cowards because u pray expecting safety in the arms of some "GOD" yet he loves u so much that he takes ur loved ones? and do atheists run around looking to convert ppl into atheism? no but religious ppl do. why? is it maybe because u fear that heaven may truly be a false promise and u dont want to be wrong on ur own and maybe just end up another ghost on this land mass? i kno why i am an atheist and when i walk the streets and i talk to people and when it comes to the point in the conversation where religion comes in i am proud to say that i am an atheist becuz i kno that im not a trendy atheist that sez it to be cool, i am a true atheist that stands behind my beliefs. why do u say that we are pansies when isnt it more pany like to run to a "god" whenever u need help? im sorry for everyone that has wasted their time on this thread including myself because this thread is full of people trying to reassure themselves in the false promise that is religion. understand once and for all... religion was created by man! and that is why we mend it to our needs and that is why it is falliable, religion has spawned from greed of men trying to bind people in fear. even paganism is pure. their beliefs are legitamate something i agree with but dont have the intent to practice and that is why i am an ATHEIST. i hope i have educated some of u undeucated religious people on atheism and i do hope that this thread ends becuz this is alot of disrespect aimed at the atheists here in the shroomery. the only thing atheism can promise u is that when u die it ends. now if u want false promises i suggest u choose a religion, anyone u want , pick at random because they all make promises that are never kept. however i do admire religious people, u truly are sheep only led not by a true god but by a book, amazing how "faith" makes people stupid weaklings. and thats all i have to say.


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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: _VisioN_]
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Why did you bump this old topic?


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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: Zahid]
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becuz i found a topic that i wanted to have a say in regardless of when it wus brought up.


-Vision


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: mntlfngrs]
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amen to that, my brother... i totally agree with you... that is the only problem i have with the word god... as soon as you say god, everybody associates it with religion, with the traditional image of a beeing separate of us, up there in heavens... we are god experiencing himself... we are god's eternal motion... god's e-motion so to say...  :smile:
one thing i have to add, though... we came here to evolve, but not to learn... for we are god, and god has nothing to learn... deep inside we know everything, we just have to remember


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: In(di)go]
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dude...nice. i see wut u mean by we know everything ive always sed that, and we are gods of ourselves and our thoughts and thats all we truly need , and yes god is asosciated with realigion and spirituality unfortunely. i remeber when i told my friend " omg i was trippin so many balls it was such a spiritual experience, those shrooms were beautiful" she went of on me telling me that too many ppl claim to see god when trippin i responded by saying " i didnt see god i sed i had a spiritual experience, for that is truly connecting with people, which i did, spirituality has nothing to do with god".


-Vision


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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: ]
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I love these epic threads... :grin:


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Sunset_Mission said:
"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
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"we are but slaves to the one with horns"
- Oystien Aersith A.K.A. Euronymous,
rest in pain fellow brother.


-Vision


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
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Aww... Look... This alien is Jesus  :grin:
 

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Re: Are Atheists Pansies? Indeed, they are. [Re: Zahid]
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Why did you bump this old topic? 



Oh, I don't know I just wanted to reminisce.  Besides so may of our newer members don't remember Eenter.  I thought this thread might be instructive.

Just trying to help. :smile: 

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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: World Spirit]
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scared? no we're the ones who aren't scared. we're not scared that there may be absolutely no reason for anything, and that life may have just been a freak accident. we're not scared to NOT have the answers. we ARE scared to simply toss all unknowns to a theory of a mysterious creator who sees knows, and fully understands "all."

I believe "God" came from fear.


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Re: Are Atheists __________? Indeed, they are. [Re: Strumpling]
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I believe "God" came from fear.

Amen to that, my brother!  :laugh:


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