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questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP
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unless one is questioning the beliefs of a skeptic. in other words, if the prayer study had found some correlation between recovery and petition - that would be OK to post, but when reality tells otherwise, that report MUST BE suppressed. this does not make sense. was it just the moderators worldview that was challenged or every single poster there? it is OK to offend the beliefs of atheists or just certain beliefs which are not elucidated in the rules.

are facts not allowed? is galileo still to be sequestered by the 'holy' church even today?


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
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"it takes two to do an insult"
-Unknown :P

I think that is the core of that dilemma, [but] they will work it out, soon enough..

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Gomp]
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wow, you've really become a cry baby. read the forum guidelines. "If you wish to debate and argue a position, the Philosophy & Spirituality forum is your alternative". the mods simply felt that this forum was more appropriate for that thread.

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Deviate]
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anyone who has an opionion differnt than your s is a 'cry baby'? this is how you show sensitivity?


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
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anyone who has an opionion differnt than your s is a 'cry baby'?

how did you reach this conclusion?

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Deviate]
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how is a question a conclusion? ru unable to distinguish the two?

i jest dont get you. people need to be protected from facts but not from your insults? is that consistent?


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
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how are people being "protected from facts"? the thread wasn't deleted, it was moved because the moderators felt it was more appropriate for this forum. read the forum guidelines if you can't understand. if a mod moves a thread from this forum into the other forum are the people here being "protected from the facts" or was the thread deemed more appropriate for the other forum?

i called you a cry baby because not only did you complain about it in the thread that was moved but you had to make a whole new thread to complain about it some more since you weren't getting the attention you wanted in the other one.

a question is a conclusion because i never said anyone who dissagrees with me is a cry baby, therefore you must have independently come up with that idea in order to prompt the question. i was asking your reasoning.

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
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Temptress said:
this is how you show sensitivity?


How exactly does one show   sensitivity....?

Perhaps by recognizing your "cry babyness~", he was sensitively relating with his own inner "cry babyness~" from within....?


:tongue:


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
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Not quite. :wink: Telling another that their beliefs are wrong because they are not the same as yours is what that forum Isn't about.

If you want to debate/discuss who's beliefs are more right with empirical evidence, do it in here. Simple. :smile:

If you want to discuss beliefs, ideas and experiences, with people who share a positive mutual interest in the post subject matter, you do it in there. Simple. :smile:

There's one catch that many fail to understand. The foundation of the forum is built upon the premise that there is a mystical religious, paranormal reality that we subjectively experience.

That is why negation of such is pointless in there and will only serve to create negative disturbance. If you want to call that premise horse shit because there is no empirical evidence to prove subjective reality by objective terms, do it in here. Simple. :smile:

That is obviously why your post was moved. You wanted to tell others their belief in prayer is wrong. You wanted to negate beliefs in the paranormal, religious or mystical premise, related to the power of prayer. You wanted to debate with empirical data.

It belongs in here. Simple.  :smile:

Sometimes, people just want to discuss things that they have either no proof for, care not to prove, or feel no need to prove. Simple. :smile:

Where there is a mutual positive interest in a subject, of course participants can ask questions and they will be welcomed. They are welcomed because the purpose of a question coming from someone with a positive mutual interest in the subject, is to gain understanding or learn something new.  :smile:

The demand, masking as a question in any form that basically says, "I don't believe you ! PROVE it to me! is what is uncalled for in there.

People acting with self control, can think in the quiet of their own mind, "I don't believe them" and walk away. Simple. :smile:

If the person posted in there, they were not out to prove anything to anyone in the first place. They were out to discuss subjects with people who share a mutual positive interest in them.

Simple. :wink:  :goodmorning: :sun:

:peace: :heart:


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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how can a fact, a truth, a reflection of reality create a negative disturbance? that is pathetic.

think on that sort of silly 'open-mindedness' for a moment.

naturally if the prayer study got desired results, then it would be allowed. is there not one poster in MRP who sees a serious problem with that sort of wearing of blinders?  :rolleyes:


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Edited by Temptress (04/12/06 01:56 AM)

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
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Reality is a bitter pill.

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
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Facts do not create a negative disturbance. Negativity creates negative disturbance. Thats pretty easy to understand. :wink:

Look up what negation means. Look up what negativity means. Facts are something else and not a problem in and of themselves in there.

Having such a narrow view, that one can not comprehend and or understand the forums purpose, is somehow indicative of not wearing blinders or some other form of ignorance? :smirk:

Lets talk about "out there" beliefs. You put up one post in MR&P about how you don't believe in the power of prayer, with some objective supporting facts, and think everyone who does is suddenly going to stop believing?  :crazy: What empirical evidence do you have to back this belief that everyone will conform to your beliefs and critical views or data presented at your command?

I can prove to you that oranges will give my daughter Hives. That's a fact. According to your logic, oranges therefore give everyone hives? :crazy:

:peace: :heart:


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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and think everyone who does is suddenly going to stop believing?


not at all as that would make sense. better to live a fantasy without any evidence other than wishful thinking.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
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So you prefer to beleive in what doesn't make sense to you? You prefer to stay in your own wishingful thinking and fantasy, that someday it will all magically turn around because of your posts, and all will fall in line with your subjective idea of what makes sense? :confused:

No one ever said you have to beleive in the power of prayer. Do you feel threatened by peoples prayers or people praying for good things to happen? Ahhhhh maybe it was that imaginary adversary someone else saw you consulting with that told you that.:yesnod:

Good luck with your wish to get people to stop praying for good things to happen.:goodluck: Why not just go for the gusto and wish to crush all peoples hopes and dreams too while you're at it? :smile:

Party On! :cheers:

:peace: :heart:


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Edit: Misreply - was supposed to go to the first post, not the last.  My comments are in answer to the thread title itself:

> questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP

Hehe... I stuck my foot in that hole by mistake as well...  :grin:

I leave it up to the moderators to decide what works and what doesn't, but for myself, this is the system I use...

S&P = some discussion, lots of debate, NO flames
MRP = lots of discussion, NO debate, NO flames

Again, this is my personal way of looking at it... final word is with the mods, not me.  I have a very difficult time without debate... the way I figure out something is through debate... I don't look at it as a right or wrong, but rather as different sides of an issue.  However, there are a lot of people that simply want a discussion without having to defend the topic.  The split was made to protect the interests of these folks.  So far, it seems to be working out pretty well.


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Edited by Seuss (04/12/06 08:53 AM)

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
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it's made for talking a lot without getting anywhere.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: wilshire]
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it's made for talking a lot without getting anywhere.


AMEN!  I firmly believe that anyone that really believes in their. err.. beliefs, should look FORWARD to debating their own convictions.  In fact, if you have faith, you should actually hope that someone could prove you wrong.

but im just a little to scientific sometimes  :grin:


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Good luck


a superstitious prayer...

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with your wish to get people to stop praying for good things to happen


as well as bad things. both sides in a war pray for the death of the enemy. cant get more enlightened than that.

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Why not just go for the gusto and wish to crush all peoples hopes and dreams too while you're at it?



nice emotional straw-woman. undertanding the fact that prayer is innefectual in combatting cardiac conditions clears the way for the possibility of REAL understanding and treatment of disease.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: wilshire]
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wilshire said:
it's made for talking a lot without getting anywhere.


That was a bias and narrow statement.

You could say that about most all of the social forums.

PAL- Lots of talk about the war in Iraq. Where is it getting anyone?
Pub- Lots of talk about the parties people go to and Tattoo design. Where is it getting anyone?
OTD-Lot's of talk about Poo and butsex. Where is it getting anyone?
P&S- Lots of talk about perception. Where is it getting anyone?
MR&P- Lots of talk about chakras. Where is it getting anyone?
Culinary Arts-Lots of talk about food. Where is it getting anyone?


Who can say what anyone else gets out of any social forum here?

Where is it that people participating in the social forums are suppose to be getting to anyway?

Any answer you give to validate one getting people somewhere, be it getting to facts, new information, new understandings, camaraderie, will apply to validate every forums subject Topic.

Everyone has a subjective value for what they get out of the forums they participate in.

Randall once asked why more female members didn't post in PAL. I told him, it was all talk but no one getting anywhere unless they applied  the talk to actual activism off the forum and got a law changed. How many participants in there actually take action to get somewhere?

You see  just talk getting no where in MR&P? For someone looking for information on chakra balancing, or lucid dreaming, they will apply the information away from the forum and may get somewhere they personally want to be with it.

Where are people getting themselves in OTD debating who is the bigger fagot? Obviously somewhere that means something to them.

Where are people in the Pub getting talking about what music they are playing now. Obviously somewhere that means something to them.

Where are people getting in Culinary Arts talking about mixing chocolate syrup with cola? Obviously somewhere that means something to them.

Where are people getting in P&S getting talking about nihilism? Obviously, somewhere that means something to them.

Where are people getting in PAL talking about Cheney's hunting accident? Obviously, somewhere that means something to them.

Where are people getting in MRP talking about scripture interpretation? Obviously somewhere that means something to them.

Why discriminate with such a narrow statement against one social forum when it applies to ALL of them?


:peace: :heart:


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
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I think it's time to take off those panties and show what a pussy you really are


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