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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Deviate]
#5510417 - 04/12/06 10:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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You asked the question to bring the issue to light and get the mods' attention. There's no other reason for posing it. Double that for pointing out how it's an IP ban on other boards.
Very spiritual of you.
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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
#5510419 - 04/12/06 10:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here is something productive to work on. I get to Illustrate a classic skeptic fabrication of the facts at hand.
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Diploid said: She's saying that you should believe something until it's disproved.
NO! I said, one doing investigative research can only conclude that paranormal activity does not exist in said house after being thoroughly investigated and the source of suspected activity found.
If another homeowner "suspects" paranormal activity, investigative research should be done before one comes to any conclusions about THAT house.
No where did I say what you, "imagined in your head" that I said.
And diploid, if every poster looked like their avatars , does that mean you have a square head and I have fins?
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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#5510457 - 04/12/06 11:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Direct answer please:
How many houses have to fail the Paranormal Test before you will grant that there is no such thing as a Paranormal House?
A hundred?
A million?
A trillion?
Some other number?
[Note to audience: jiggy will not answer my direct, simple question because if she did, it would demonstrate that she's not after Truth, but rather validation of her beliefs.]
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
#5510459 - 04/12/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you think that the world would be a "better place" if there was no belief in a higher power, spirituality, or blind faith....?
Just speaking about general human moral here, do you think the changes in beliefs of ALL people in such a manner would be a positive, negative, or neutral (in general), and why....?
Curious about your thoughts....
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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
#5510469 - 04/12/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Diploid said: You asked the question to bring the issue to light and get the mod's attention. There's no other reason for posing it. Double that for pointing out how it's an IP ban on other boards.
Very spiritual of you.
so i have no right to know the policies reguarding the circumvention of bans? there's absolutely no reason to assume that anything would change as a result of my asking a simple question. i still want to know what the policy is. if i get banned, am i allowed to simply come back on an alternate name? can this result in a longer ban or is it ok to do? both of these questions have relevance to me and there's no reason i should refrain from asking them, nor should my asking them result in any drastic changes being made. if it does, then blame the mods, not me. they should have a set policy in place.
There's no other reason for posing it
yes there is. i want to know what the deal is reguarding bans.
Edited by Deviate (04/12/06 11:15 PM)
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MushmanTheManic
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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Deviate]
#5510540 - 04/12/06 11:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Deviate, for the sake of brevity I shall explain this as quickly as possible. The Mods do whatever the fuck they want.
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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: PhanTomCat]
#5510550 - 04/12/06 11:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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that is a good topic for a fresh post - go for it!
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Diploid
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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: PhanTomCat]
#5510562 - 04/12/06 11:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you think that the world would be a "better place" if there was no belief in a higher power, spirituality, or blind faith....?
Well, we wouldn't have:
-Suicide bombers
-Witch burnings at the hands of the Catholics
-Endless killing in Northern Ireland
-Genocide in Rwanda
-War in Bosnia-Herzegovina
-Civil war in Sudan
-Extreme, radical fundamentalist Muslim terrorists in Afghanistan
-Fragile peace in Bosnia holding only due to the presence of UN peacekeepers
-Ivory Coast murders of Muslims at the hands of the government
-Fragile peace in Cyprus holding only due to the presence of UN peacekeepers
-Ongoing conflict in India among Animists, Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs
-Fighting between Christians and Muslims in Ambon Province in India
-Repeated killings over Kashmir by Hindus and Muslims who both claim it on religious grounds
-Hundreds of people in South Africa murdered each year for being witches
-Poor Galileo would not have been inquisitioned and threatened with torture if he didn't denounce his earlier claim that Jupiter has moons. The old scientist was was sentenced to life in prison anyway.
-And Ahmadinejad, Iran's leader, would not believe a divine Saviour known as the Mahdi will appear on Earth after a worldwide cataclysm and be developing nuclear weapons for the purpose of starting World War 3 and hastening His arrival.
So, uhm... yeah, the world WOULD be a better place without mysticism.
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
Edited by Diploid (04/12/06 11:31 PM)
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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
#5510574 - 04/12/06 11:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don't forget Bruno!
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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Deviate]
#5510576 - 04/12/06 11:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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yes there is. i want to know what the deal is reguarding bans.
You could have done that with a generic PM to a mod without an off-topic post bringing attention to the issue concerning ONE specific member.
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
Edited by Diploid (04/12/06 11:39 PM)
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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
#5510578 - 04/12/06 11:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you really think that in the absence of religion, that people wouldn't find new stuff to fight about?
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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Silversoul]
#5510592 - 04/12/06 11:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Many times individuals who give up a religion simply adopted a secular religion, such as Marxism or Objectivism. "Oh dear, somebody please tell me what's going on!"
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gettinjiggywithit
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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
#5510593 - 04/12/06 11:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Diploid said: she did not say you should believe something until its disproved
She says it all the time, Deviate.
from now on please provide a direct quote
OK.
Here's one recent apropos example of many:
I pointed out that reverend Peter Popoff (who claims to read the mind of audience members by communicating directly with God) was exposed as a bold-faced liar by James Randi.
Randi caught Popoff using an accomplice with a radio transmitter and a tiny receiver in his ear to 'read minds'. Despite this, people have continued to pay the admission fee and stream into his prayer meetings by the millions every year.
jiggy's reply: Prove they were there because they believed he could read minds in the first place.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5493666#Post5493666
In other words, Popoff was exposed as a lying sack of shit about his ability to read minds, but maybe his OTHER powers are real because they haven't been disproved yet (he can cure everything from constipation to cancer with a smack to the head).
Another classic example of a skeptic misrepresenting the facts to fool people into beleiving something that isn't true.
You proved nothing of my believing in anything of the sort diploid.
How does his being caught with the MIC PROVE, members of the church ever attended ONLY because he claimed to read minds or continued too because they decided to beleive he still could even though he was caught using a mic?
Thats an assumption. Until you interview every church member and ask why they went to that Church and continue too, you are making false assumptions. You are the one believing that's why everyone attended and continue too without getting the facts.
FYI, some people go to churches for a sense of community. Some people go to meet potential dating partners. Some people go, out of curiosity. Some people go because they prefer group prayer or worship of God, not the minister. There are many other possible and plausible reasons for why members would continue to go, even if he was caught using a mic.
Why assume members still attending masses still believe he was doing it without the mic? 
If you assume that without interviewing all of the members, you are the one believing in things until they are proven untrue. NOT ME buddy.
Jim Baker was caught committing the "sin" of infidelity and embezzlement. It was all over the news for months and he served a jail sentence for it, you couldn't miss it. Yet when he founded a new ministry, people who forgave him of those things still attended knowing full well what he was found guilty of.
Do you honestly believe all people attending his new ministry don't believe he slipped Jessica Hahn the holy salami or stole money from the church? 
Same plausible scenario with the Mic fraud guy.
You are guilty of what you are attempting to find me at fault for.
BTW, I am open minded enough to consider a reasonable possibility of something being so, WHILE looking for a more logical explanation.
If my sister told me she thought someone at work was poisoning her coffee, I will look for a more logical reason for her symptoms and suspicions while also considering, the possibility. That's different from "believing" as if its a "proven fact". What if someone was, I found no evidence to the contrary, and decided to tell her it was all in her head and she ended up dead and the autopsy showed lethal amounts of arsenic in her.
I'm not that sloppy in either direction diploid. 
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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
#5510623 - 04/12/06 11:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Temptress said: that is a good topic for a fresh post - go for it!
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5510604/an/0/page/0
Alright, disregard my above post (that is really not on topic), I made a new thread for my questions.....

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
#5510646 - 04/12/06 11:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree with mostly everything you said but just want to say that the peace in Cyprus has nothing to do with religion as I know that first hand.
Yes, all these things would not have happened but then more "fragile" people that need to believe in something bigger brighter and good may eventually turned out to be criminals or most probably feel extremely insecure atc. What I mean to say is that there would be consequences definately.
Most religions I don't like. The ones I like still have parts which I don't agree. Why do we have to belong to a group in that part of our lifes? We don't. I prefer having good friends than an invisible god. I know I could have had both, many people do, and I actually envy them. It is fantastic how the christians for example believe so narrow mindedly in christ. That never ceases to amaze me. Oops...out of topic...
As I am one of the people that can not believe to something that really doesn't give me the slightest proof that it exists, I would like all people to be like me.... we would sure have a lot less blood shed for sick peoples wills for fortune and world domination. Remember the: - "Are you a Christian?" - "No." - "Believe or Die!"
...crusades kind of thing.
Anyway people need to believe and so they do. I'll try to find my first post....If it's still there...
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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Silversoul]
#5510652 - 04/12/06 11:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you really think that in the absence of religion, that people wouldn't find new stuff to fight about?
I believe that with the rise of reason and critical-thought, both anathema to religion, people would devote their energy toward productive endeavors rather than inventing things not in evidence, then killing each other over them, yes.
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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
#5510658 - 04/12/06 11:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Diploid said: yes there is. i want to know what the deal is reguarding bans.
You could have done that with a generic PM to a mod without an off-topic post bringing attention to the issue concerning ONE specific member.
last time i PMed a mod i never reiceived an answer, even after sending multiple PMs. i didn't start the off topic posts about temptress identity either. basically, it seemed like a good time to raise this question because in my opinion the mods should simply unban people's accounts if they are going to allow them back. having users come back on different names simply adds unecessary confusion and drama, as you can see.
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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Deviate]
#5510697 - 04/12/06 11:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post2278810
there is the old post...we had a nice discussion then.....
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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#5510709 - 04/12/06 11:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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MushmanTheManic said: Many times individuals who give up a religion simply adopted a secular religion, such as Marxism or Objectivism. "Oh dear, somebody please tell me what's going on!"
'zactly
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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Shroomerious]
#5510742 - 04/13/06 12:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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