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 Whats wrong with being a skeptic 
#623526 - 04/30/02 07:53 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am not just talking to the "God shall smight thee doubter" type. I am asking the question of everyone who ever bitched because some one dared to ask questions. Straight answers only, please. None of this, "Because (add your teacher/mentor/prophet/diety's name here) said so."
Anyone?
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#623530 - 04/30/02 07:56 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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There is nothing wrong with being a realist.
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: seeker]
#623533 - 04/30/02 08:00 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nothing wrong with being anything. It is of no consequence. What will be will be.
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: seeker]
#623538 - 04/30/02 08:05 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't think that there is anything wrong with being a skeptic...
Everyone learns in their own way and in the end we all share the same fate, so to each his own.
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 Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: seeker]
#623572 - 04/30/02 08:49 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Skeptics want to take all the fun and mystery out of life. They want to pull back the curtain and expose the mighty Wizard of Oz for the frightened fake that he is. They want to tell you that love is merely a collection of primal, biological urges, that Santa Claus does not exist; that a balloon crashed at Roswell and that mushrooms do not put you in touch with another realm, but merely disrupt your delicate neuronal chemistry.
Those bastards! Someone get a rope!
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: Revelation]
#623576 - 04/30/02 08:55 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a skeptic.
However much I wish I could say "nothing wrong with being anything," I just don't believe it.
I do not think it is ok to be a racist or a violent homophobe, a murderer a rapist, etc. These things are of great consequence. And what will be of course WILL be, but we do have influence in what will be, so we should not take this determninistic attitude that promotes apathy, and fight for what we think is right.
I apologize for being an ass, revelation, just felt like i needed to say something there.
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 Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: Anonymous]
#623585 - 04/30/02 09:15 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, for starters, it's pretty obvious that any skeptic (or sceptic if you're British) is just some asshole with a quick tongue (usually forked- check if you don't believe me). All a skeptic does is take well-established belief systems (that have worked just fine for centuries mind you) and trash them. Fuckin' naysayers. All they do is challenge people, even if they agree with them, those skeptic jerks will start an argument just to hear themselves talk. Skeptics also use poor logic and demand ?proof? for everything.
Like this one time, I saw a flying saucer land. I posted a thread a while back explaining how cool the aliens were and how they didn?t want to conquer Earth- they just wanted to smoke out and stuff, because Earth has the best ganja- and some jerk off skeptic came along and was all like ?Where?s the evidence?? when I told him that I witnessed it personally, he was like ?That?s not good enough, we need REAL evidence.? That?s when I formed the SSH (the Society for Skeptic Haters). Now when I post stuff about my telepathy powers and the skeptics shoot it down with their twisted logic and fuzzy math, I?ll just send a couple of SSH thugs to their house and they?ll kick the shit out of them. Take that you naysayers! Well, I haven?t actually done it yet; thugs are hard to find.
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: JPAtanat]
#623587 - 04/30/02 09:18 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Is it OK to hate racists and homophobes?
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 Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: Swami]
#623591 - 04/30/02 09:26 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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As much as Jimmy Skeptic's attacks on faith annoy me, I have to admit that skepticism is necessary...
I think my skepticism saved my soul from being completely devoured when I met Satan. It went sorta like this:
Satan: "You will obey me for I am your Lord."
Me: "I don't know... you feel powerful, but you also seem tainted with darkness and evil."
Satan: *slightly amused* "Evil??"
(Satan then proceeded to show me that good and evil were just perceptions, and that we exist here in both Dark and Light.)
Satan: "So you see, everyone here has both dark and light inside."
Me:"I still don't know... I'm afraid... Doesn't feel right... "
(things get hazy around here... all I remember is that he overtook and entered into my body but all fear eventually vanished and I was left on the fringes of reality, my sanity in critical condition. Also, I was left with the thought "DEVOUR! IT IS THE WAY OF THIS WORLD" over and over in my head.)
All of this came after calls for "The One Who Brought Me Here". I was expecting God or something so it truly surprised me. 
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: Sclorch]
#623593 - 04/30/02 09:27 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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I personally want to join Believers Against Rationality and Facts (B.A.R.F.).
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: Swami]
#623594 - 04/30/02 09:35 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thats a good question.
I am not sure I can answer it satisfactorily.
I do not approve of hate in any form, of course that is an ideal. When I see it manifested in violence or any sort of aggression I become angry and then I am the hater. So I recogize hate within myself. I do not want to hate myself or others, including other "haters."
The theoretical solution would be to hate racism, but not a racist, and to hate murder, but not the murderer. Of course you can say that they are inseparable, but I am just talking about being able to see through someone's faults no matter how overwhelming they may be. In reality this is pretty difficult to achieve, but it is an ideal to work towards. Also I don't mean it to sound like we should condone murder or rape, but to be able to see past the action to the person within would lead to a more compassionate state that would be better able to address the situation (as oppossed to someone who simply reciprocates the hate).
I think a discussion of this deserves a whole thread.
By the way, what do you think Swami?
Peace.
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: Swami]
#623607 - 04/30/02 09:48 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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My dad use to use a skeptic stick after he shaved. I never liked 'em though.
Then there's my brother who lives up in the mountains and has a bunch of guns and a few acres of land. He claims he has a skeptic tank but said he couldn't show it to me. I told him to be careful because I don't think they are legal. Anyways, Sclorch you might be able to borrow that instead of hiring some thugs.
Just some thoughts...
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: JPAtanat]
#623614 - 04/30/02 10:00 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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It was strange, when I was robbed at gunpoint last year with my Mom by a black gang-banger, I was not particulary afraid nor even upset. Not even when he threatened to kill us. But when I looked over and saw my mom crying because she thought he really would, I was ready to shred the fucker. The guy was 20 years younger and much larger, but I felt like saying "Why you don't put that gun down you pussy and take me on man-to-man." I am not violent nor a fighter, nor very adept at martial arts, but it struck a primal chord in me to threaten my family. I might have gone all the way given the chance.
Yet I got out of the service on a Conscientious Discharge due to Bhuddist-like morals (and meant it!) which was nearly impossible post VietNam.
In another incident 2 years ago, an aerobics instructor (gay male) grabbed my cock in the sauna. If he had not fled after seeing my shocked expression, I might have pulverized the rude fag.
Am I racist or homophobic? No, but I am certainly affected by these and other incidents.
My point is a moral stance in a quiet discussion is quite different than a real-world (not a lab - LOL!) situation. These sorts of things really test where you are at.
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: Swami]
#623639 - 04/30/02 10:41 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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"Am I racist or homophobic? No, but I am certainly affected by these and other incidents."
Was wondering how specifically you were affected (after the actual event).
"My point is a moral stance in a quiet discussion is quite different than a real-world (not a lab - LOL!) situation. These sorts of things really test where you are at."
I totally agree. The question is what do you do with the experience (hence the above question). Upon reflection from a calmer state, what were your feelings on the perpetrators? More compassion? Hatred? If hatred, do you think it is justified? Did your view point change due to the incident? Would you react the same way if it happened again? Is it possible to transcend the primal instict we feel in these situations - ie is it possible to embody our moral stance? If so, how?
Just some questions that ran through my head when I read your post.
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 Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: seeker]
#623689 - 04/30/02 11:47 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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only reason skeptics don't go over well here is because sketicism isn't condusive with a mind that is on psychedelics.
and all these emotionally driven seekers are too busy hoping to see the foolishness of their ways
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#623794 - 05/01/02 04:11 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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being cautious about what you will and won't accept as valid is just common sense. this attitude should be applied to all -isms, including skeptic-ism.
skeptics make their own worlds drab, mechanical, predictable and violent. skeptical argument is a form of violence. conveying something of one's inner state using dead, dead, dead words (killed imo by advertising jingles) is a very tricky and personal business; it takes courage and practice to get better at it. a well-crafted heartsong is a beautiful and intricate web of metaphor that usually only emerges after years of public practice. skeptics make this difficult by quibbling. they usually miss the forest for the trees. they respond to a sentence instead of a paragraph, a paragraph instead of a book-long idea. they wait for any mistake and ignore material they can't eat. they are piranhas. they don't create anything; they feed off the hard and personal work of others, and they do it in an intimidating and insulting fashion because they think they're doing something novel or necessary. but they're not, they're quibbling.
crafting a thoughtful and challenging response to what someone else has said is a lot of fun, and plinks another note out in the tune of the great Schizoconversation of the collective subconscious. gently guiding someone away from an errant position (there is no right answer, but there are plenty of stupid ones, as a teacher once said), using logic and rhetoric and eye contact, is a kindness to them and to the world. but skeptics, while they perceive themselves in this role, only rob people of their vocal cords. by pretending there is such a thing as non-poetic speech, they place barriers on communicative effort that can be bridged only perilously and with great effort, and that's NO FUCKING FUN.
former dogmatic skeptic logical bulldog,
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: JustFootsteps]
#623868 - 05/01/02 07:49 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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skeptical argument is a form of violence.
Unlike the loving tone of this extremely harsh generalization.
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#623914 - 05/01/02 09:41 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey skeptics! You all should try shutting up for one week just to see what happens to this forum. It might be funny.
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: JustFootsteps]
#624019 - 05/01/02 12:06 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice post, JF.
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#624027 - 05/01/02 12:16 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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I went through a period in my life where I doubted my faith and abilities. It was the darkest time I have ever known. I was suicidal, and began to carry a weapon because I started to distrust everyone. I was out of control with drugs and alcohol and was headed for a criminal life style.
When I rediscovered myself and my faith and accepted my abilities.......I became a person who helps others........
I still don't just "buy" anything that comes along......but for me being a skeptic made me dangerous to myself and to others.
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: Tannis]
#624224 - 05/01/02 05:11 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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It was the darkest time I have ever known. I was suicidal, and began to carry a weapon because I started to distrust everyone. I was out of control with drugs and alcohol and was headed for a criminal life style.
Your personal history is interesting, but has nothing to do with rational examination.
I have faith in nothing outside myself, yet have never carried a weapon nor thought of nor engaged in criminal activity (outside the WOD). I would be surprised if evolving, Sir TripsaLot or Schlorch are gun toters. I would make a large bet that religious people own more weapons than atheists.
I became a person who helps others...
I am a skeptic and a Big Brother. I help people all the time - I still see no relationship between the two. As I stated previously, I have a loud bark here, but no bite. I have never struck another in anger (past grade school).
I am glad that you found what works for you, but to extrapolate that is fallacious.
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#624415 - 05/01/02 09:42 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Surprise, surprise!
I frequently exercise my right to bear my AR-15.
Yup, I just tote that fucker to class... to church (hehe)... to the mall...
It usually doesn't go over well and I have to lay down some lead, but there are those precious momenst when a curious, young lad will come up to me and ask me to show him how to shoot. It makes me smile to think that I was the one who taught so many young children how to hold the gun correctly (firmly against the shoulder), SQUEEZE (not pull) the trigger, and brace for the recoil. *tear in the eye*
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: Sclorch]
#624437 - 05/01/02 10:11 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Awww - I believed in YOU brother Sclorch...
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: JustFootsteps]
#624457 - 05/01/02 10:35 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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skeptics make their own worlds drab, mechanical, predictable and violent. skeptical argument is a form of violence. conveying something of one's inner state using dead, dead, dead words (killed imo by advertising jingles)...
they perceive themselves in this role, only rob people of their vocal cords. by pretending there is such a thing as non-poetic speech, they place barriers on communicative effort that can be bridged only perilously and with great effort...
What do you base all this hogwash on? Overgeneralization, oversimplification... nay, pure sophistry. The only ones that may 'rob people of their vocal cords' (metaphorically speaking) are themselves. Don't blame skeptics for your ineptitude in formulating cogent explanations for the ideas you are trying to convey.
Skeptical argument is a form of violence? Fuzzy heading thinking, emotionalism, mysticism these are all what lead people to war, suicide bombings, cult behaviour, mass delusions, and following leaders like Hitler, Stalin, Arafat and GWB. Fools follow and believe without critical analysis, skeptics carefully pick their own way.
Edited by evolving (05/01/02 10:39 PM)
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: ]
#624473 - 05/01/02 10:52 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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*APPLAUSE*
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: ]
#624475 - 05/01/02 10:54 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just want to point something out:
skeptic:"skeptics make their own worlds drab, mechanical, predictable and violent. skeptical argument is a form of violence. conveying something of one's inner state using dead, dead, dead words (killed imo by advertising jingles)...
they perceive themselves in this role, only rob people of their vocal cords. by pretending there is such a thing as non-poetic speech, they place barriers on communicative effort that can be bridged only perilously and with great effort..." just footsteps
believer: "Fuzzy heading thinking, emotionalism, mysticism these are all what lead people to war, suicide bombings, cult behaviour, mass delusions, and following leaders like Hitler, Stalin, Arafat and GWB. Fools follow and believe without critical analysis..." -evolving
of course evolvings statement did not spcifically mention the word believer, but i think that's what he was implying...
But need I even say that both of these definitions are not only generalizations, but are pure bullshit? Maybe you can attach these definitions to the words skeptic and believer, but in that case I bet there are no skeptics or believers to be found at the shroomery. This has elevated to a gross level. If not fuzzy headed thinking, emotionalism and mysticism, it is this very thing that is going on in the shroomery that leads people to war, suicide bombings, cult behaviour, and mass delusions.
Both sides are guilty of rigid, unwavering thinking. both sides are guilty of over-generalization, over-simplification and emotionalism. I do not mean to seperate myself from these accusations, I am just as guilty as every one else. But maybe it's time to let down our guards little bit and see if we cant start to even just try to understand where the "other" is coming from, because as it is going there is no end in sight (nuclear war, maybe).
Peace Earthlings.
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: JPAtanat]
#624485 - 05/01/02 11:15 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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I meant what I said. I did not say believer because not all belief is based on fuzzy heading thinking, emotionalism and mysticism. It is possible, and very often does happen, that people arrive at a point of belief in something after utilizing critical analysis.
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: Swami]
#625601 - 05/03/02 09:54 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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The original question was : What's wrong with being a skeptic? And then added in other words, make your own responses, not what someone else said.
I answered the question for me alone. I'm not implying anything about skeptics in genneral. I simply stated that for me, when I lost "faith" became skeptical I began to head down a road that would have killed me. The only cautionary "implication" in my post is that if you become skeptical like I did and "lose hope" that could lead you to a place similar to the one that almost killed me.
If you are skeptical and don't lose hope, then hey, peace be with you.....but many of the skeptics I have know do get really negative in their outlook.
Of course, as I've stated, I'm not ready to swallow just any false hope...say for a spaceship to come and deliever us all....or anything like that.....but belief works for me....and it keeps me from looking at the rest of the world like enemies that I have to kill in order to be safe.
And just as a side note, I grew up with guns, and have one loaded and ready in my house......its for those in denial....who would break in to my house to attempt to steal, kill, or destroy.
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: Tannis]
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And just as a side note, I grew up with guns, and have one loaded and ready in my house......its for those in denial....who would break in to my house to attempt to steal, kill, or destroy.
*Sigh* As predicted. Believers do not really believe in the "friendliness" of the universe nor the watchful protection of God, but instead live in fear. For me to own a deadly weapon would be inconceivable.
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: Swami]
#625628 - 05/03/02 10:43 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Swami, doesn't a martial artist own deadly weapons in the form of his own body and the skills he has acquired?
Can't one be convinced of the overall goodness in his fellow man yet be realistic enough to understand that a certain percentage of people may have bad intentions (some all the time, some at just a certain point in their lives or some who just feel desperate)?
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: ]
#625640 - 05/03/02 11:06 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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My body is not a deadly weapon - LOL!
What about the point of creating your own reality, that you attract what your most fear?
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#625694 - 05/03/02 12:18 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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I find this argument silly.. you will always have skeptics and you will always have 'true believers'.. they go hand in hand and you can't have a healthy society without both. If you only had skeptics then nothing would be doable.. if everybody placed their faith in true belief then we'd find ourselves out on a limb and quite probably destroy ourselves. Balance is best.
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: _JJ_]
#625879 - 05/03/02 04:20 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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I understand balance, but do not understand your application of the principle in this discusion. Do we really need people willing to kill each other in the name of Allah / God?
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#1610356 - 06/05/03 02:45 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Whats wrong with being a skeptic
bad things. TERRIBLE things!
that's what I hear
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: seeker]
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maybe one day... there will just be people. People who true believers of truth... and are skeptical of misinformation. Those who will live together and search for a common understanding. A unified human goal. Im not talking about a generic class of mongrals... or something. maybe a harmonius soceity of free individuals. you know like the different parts of a beatiful piece of music coming together.... but until then it seems its black and white. you vs me. Slap bitch soft motherfucker. I dared to ask questions... but i very rarely get responses. Im like a dirty paint pallete... with all the colors smeared together... someone could paint a picture for me Damnit! no no... its all good... you dont have to if you dont want to.
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: Swami]
#1617189 - 06/07/03 07:52 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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What you failed to mention is that after the guy grabbed your cock, it got hard.
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#1617204 - 06/07/03 08:08 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have learned to appreciate and even embrace skepticism.
Although sometimes skepticism can inadvertantly turn into fear... I think this is the skepticism that most people dislike; the mistrust and suspicion, which are born out of fear.
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: Adamist]
#1617363 - 06/07/03 10:32 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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the mistrust and suspicion, which are born out of fear.
The only fear in this skeptic is from die-hard believers interfering in my life (such as the W.O.D and the "moral right".
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: Swami]
#1617391 - 06/07/03 10:54 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am a skeptic and a Big Brother. I help people all the time - I still see no relationship between the two. As I stated previously, I have a loud bark here, but no bite. I have never struck another in anger (past grade school).
Swami
what matters most is love. love is the relationship you cant seem to see, you help people out of love, even if you dont call it that, its what it is. you have a loud bark but no bite because you are a peaceful person, you arent violent, you know that its wrong, you wouldnt want it done to you.
so even if you dont believe in anything, if you live a good life, you arent going to be disappointed
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: Swami]
#1617409 - 06/07/03 11:06 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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There's nothing wrong with being a real skeptic, which is really something quite different from the assholes out there who call themselves skeptics, but who really are as biased in their worldview as any jesus freak out there.
I'm a skeptic. This means that I question reality and take little on faith.
I'm also something of a strange cross between a Catholic, Wiccan, and a chaos mage. I belive in the supernatural. But I don't believe anything until I've seen evidence enough to convince me of it, and I'll be skeptical of anything that sounds too good, even from 'trusted' sources.
Skepticism as a way to approach the world is a good thing. Skepticism, as in a hard-core evangelical atheist philosophy is soul-destroying.
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"Do we want the stars? We can have them. Can we borrow cups of fire from the sun? We can and must and light the world." --"On the Shoulders of Giants", Ray Bradbury
All of my posts are full of fiction and blatant lies.
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Phencyclidine
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: Swami]
#1619466 - 06/08/03 10:51 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Skeptics want to take all the fun and mystery out of life. They want to pull back the curtain and expose the mighty Wizard of Oz for the frightened fake that he is. They want to tell you that love is merely a collection of primal, biological urges, that Santa Claus does not exist; that a balloon crashed at Roswell and that mushrooms do not put you in touch with another realm, but merely disrupt your delicate neuronal chemistry.
Those bastards! Someone get a rope!
Huh? That's not what skeptics do! Skeptics ask for more evidence. Skeptics suggest that there might be alternative explanations. Extreme skeptics like myself might even question the notion of a "consensus reality."
You're confusing skeptics with scientists.
BTW, it's you're own bloody fault if you think that science takes the myster out of life.
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Phencyclidine
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: JPAtanat]
#1619470 - 06/08/03 10:54 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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The theoretical solution would be to hate racism, but not a racist, and to hate murder, but not the murderer.
Eh, you're still getting into the dialectics of hate here. You're fighting hate on it's own ground.
That's like starting a war against war.
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Sclorch
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Re: Whats wrong with being a skeptic [Re: Phencyclidine]
#1619484 - 06/08/03 11:04 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Phencyclidine: Huh? That's not what skeptics do! Skeptics ask for more evidence. Skeptics suggest that there might be alternative explanations. Extreme skeptics like myself might even question the notion of a "consensus reality."
You're confusing skeptics with scientists.
BTW, it's you're own bloody fault if you think that science takes the myster out of life.
If you'd stick around for awhile, you'll see the sarcasm in Swami's post here.
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