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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: Shroomism]
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word :grin: 


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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: CleverName]
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In reply to:The changes will be completed December 21st, 2012..our emergance into Galactic Society

Honestly where did you hear this?..there is no way ANYONE living on this planet knows what is going to happen to any of us..they may think they know but they really dont...i keep an open mind and always have ..but how can you be so sure? some of the worlds greatest minds have given their perspective on life and living.but they dont all agree with eachother..everyone has a different perception of reality..and thats a fact..you can see that in discussions on this forum..someone might agree with you but not 100%...thats why there are different religions..different cultures and so forth..and you say these things so matter of factly like god told you himself..some of what you said can be agreed with but somethings are from a part of you percieving the world through which only your eyes can see..where others are blind..and until everyone is looking through the same "eyes"..none of this will happen no matter how bad you want it to...thats just my 2 cents


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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: Shroomism]
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In reply to:That is such a broad question.... any answer I give will be insignificant to the big picture of the effects of this event which will change EVERYTHING. Though I can give my very limited perception of it..

This is the one and only thing youve said that is true...you talk about warlike aliens are you kiddin me...every question and any answer you or anyone can give to a specific question that has not been proven is "so we can all understand it " CRAP..it is very easy to see what you are doin..i do not undirestimate your inteligence but if you were to make a statement and someone asks you a logical question ..you simply answer with another statement and thus the person is so confused or totally baffled by your new statment that they forgot the question they asked you in the first place..thus developing into a neverending loop of uncertantity by them and the role of the Teacher by you..continuing to spread you misinformation. :smirk:


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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: psylocipher]
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In reply to:

every question and any answer you or anyone can give to a specific question that has not been proven is "so we can all understand it " CRAP



How can you prove the unknown ? It doesn't need to be proven, it needs to be decifered. Some has more valid ways than others to do that, you got to stick with that when trying to unfold the future, so if you don't/can't validate some of this "CRAP" as you say, you might think about leaving this kind of questions.

MAIA


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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: MAIA]
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you obviously didnt understand my thread ..


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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: psylocipher]
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talking about warlike aliens hovering around earth ? thats a valid way to decifer something? that is crap and you know it...its alot simplier ...you live you die the process repeats itself


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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: psylocipher]
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and why would you not decifer something if you didnt want it proven? no point in deciphering something if your not gonna prove something.


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Edited by psylocipher (10/03/02 05:35 AM)

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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: johnnyfive]
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i had a vision of the future the other day while i was sitting around. I saw bush getting reelected, with terrorism and counter terrorism wars escalating more and more the whole time. The usa elects cheney to replace bush with promises to end terrorism and all that shit. Then once cheney gets into office things escalate even more until the world is like a pot of boiling water, Then theres a huge world war or global nuclear anhilation by the end of cheneys term in 2012. The people who survive will the ones who will return to a pure innocent beginning. i kind of like shroomisms theory better though.


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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: psylocipher]
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This 2012 stuff was promulgated by the late Terrence McKenna. It allegedly derives from an ancient Mayan calendar, though being the non-math person that I am, I do not quite grasp the translation of a Mayan cosmic frame of reference with the Western model that pretty much begins with the death of Jesus of Nazareth in A.D. 33.

I have found it curious that people must seek answers far from where they really are. I looked to India and Tibet for answers, until I realized those answers were in my own backyard (like Dorothy realized after her trip to Oz). People would rather accept the predictions of Nostradamos, or, in the case of McKenna, who tied every cosmic thing to the mushroomic culture of Mesoamerica, to the Mayans; or to those people ready to embrace a new pseudo-mythology - the 12th Planet. growing up, lots of folks harkened back to the lost continents of Atlantis, Lemuria and Mu.

I think people need novelty, and even though we have the Bible and a HUGE body of literature from which the Bible was selected (Pseudepigraphal, Apocalyptic, Nag Hammadi Library, Dead Sea Scrolls, etc.), few people are serious enough to do some scholarly research themselves, and prefer to base their as-of-yet-unformed belief-systems on books on the best seller list. People have become so used to the presence of Biblical messages, they have become 'invisible' and 'inaudible' to many. I once read that 'Boredom is the springboard to Eternity.' One must learn to throw off one's religion as it was learned, and re-learn it anew. Only then will the Truth therein be recognized.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: psylocipher]
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The future is often prophesized. I am not stating beyond a shadow of a doubt how it will be, only my perception of it. There are many paths available and I am just peering down one of them and describing what I see. I can only speak from my frame of referance, and frankly, if aliens land in my backyard and give me a full history of planet Earth along with detailed information regarding cosmic events I am privy to believe it, especially if much of it touches home.

That doesn't mean you have to believe any of it.



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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Markos are you saying that the Bible is free from the label of "novelty"? You may say the Bible contains truth from God, but how do you know McKenna's books don't as well? Or any book, for that matter... Don't we all have a connection to the divine? Why look for truth only in Biblical texts when we have it inside ourselves?


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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: Adamist]
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Truth is everywhere, lies and fantasy are everywhere. We must learn to discern the truth, don't let your quest be colored be desires for what you would like the truth to be, be prepared to be shocked, disappointed, frightened, and baffled, but ultimately enlightened.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: Evolving]
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Good advice.... but couldn't desiring something to be true help make it true?  :confused: 


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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: psylocipher]
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"and why would you not decifer something if you didnt want it proven? no point in deciphering something if your not gonna prove something."

I know what you're trying to explain, you are relating deciphering with scientific prove. If so, what if i decipher something that cannot be scientifically proved ? Do you consider that as valid ? You might consider it subjective, but will have to work hard to prove his premises are invalid, why ? How can you prove the non existence of aliens ? They were never seen but that doesn't mean they do not exist, people have already thought of that, take SETI example.

"talking about warlike aliens hovering around earth ? thats a valid way to decifer something?"

Taking my previos words, it all depends if you demand scientific prove, if you find science the ultimate explanation, you must know that not even science can prove the unknown, like the limits of a derivate equation tending to infinite, they tend to the unknown, but then maybe not if you apply more variables to the equation, those variables are what we call scientific proves, some people like to add variables that are not scientific proves but they consider them as valid, then again, it has to do if you consider science as the ultimate explanation, some just don't.

"that is crap and you know it...its alot simplier ...you live you die the process repeats itself"

Can you prove it ?  :grin:
Subjective but not inherently incorrect, just like shroomish conclusions.

MAIA


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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: Adamist]
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In reply to:

but couldn't desiring something to be true help make it true?


Yes, this is part of establishing goals. It is important to realize the true nature of things as they are so we can better understand how to affect positive changes. You need desire, knowledge, a method and action. If you are missing any one of these, don't count on things changing. (sorry if I sound like a change management text)


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: Evolving]
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i like this thread...


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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: psylocipher]
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i do agree with you but i wasnt aiming towards scientific proof persay..just on history and how it constantly repeats itself and mostly for the worst..its just that if we want change than we will all have to be on the same wavelength..and that has been and always will be difficult..wars are inevitable, obviously right but if we as a species learned from our mistakes we would reach that state of conciousness shroomism was talking about..but and in my opinion and no one will agree with it but if we were all one race...and i dont mean white or black or purple ...i mean a mix of everything than prejudice would stop..and we could come together as one but until that time we are going to be in the same boat we always have been in..and for the first time in a long time our nation came together as one for a brief moment with the tradgedy of 9-11...i remember that day because i felt togetherness between all americans.for the first time in my life..we dont need another more serious tragedy to feel that again...and i just think it will take a little more than 9 years for our planet to be complete muts , and when that happens the whole world will come together and the unachievablewill become achievable


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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: psylocipher]
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but if we were all one race...and i dont mean white or black or purple ...i mean a mix of everything than prejudice would stop..and we could come together as one

Human beings are one race, in my opinion....

If we treated each other as a human family, our fear of each other would disappear.


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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: Adamist]
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"If we treated each other as a human family, our fear of each other would disappear."
Hey I really like that idea. I'm going to call everyone brother or sister from now on.

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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: Shroomism]
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Reading that was like a breath of air to my suffocating brain. Being without my computer for so long and having nothing to do but watch TV and read has left my mind feeling dull.

You also make a lot of sense. Very nice to hear my thoughts echoed.. Was starting to question my sanity.

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