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 RebelSteve33
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 Re: Testing your Paranormal Hypothesis  [Re: Swami]
#1603536 - 06/03/03 01:52 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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 *insert tears here*
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Namaste.
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 spiritshaper
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Re: Testing your Paranormal Hypothesis [Re: RebelSteve33]
#1603583 - 06/03/03 02:29 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Swami, if you're really interested in this subject i would suggest that you read A Buddhist Bible (ISBN: 0807059110). Then take the knowledge you aquired from the book and apply it to your life for a few years. After you become experienced and well versed in the art of perfect wisdom you should then be able to resume your quest and find the awnsers you seen from within. One cannot give you the knowledge you seek, you must find it yourself, it is that simple. There is no fast or instant way to gain perfect understanding of the metaphysical world, you will not find the information you seek by drilling the members of the spirituality and philosophy forum with questions and awnsers that will never produce any fruit for you.
hopefully i have shed some light upon the path that you walk, i hope you don't trip with the questions you ask playing on your head or you will wander into dangerous territory.
laterz,
Spiritshaper
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Zero7a1
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Re: Testing your Paranormal Hypothesis [Re: Swami]
#1603594 - 06/03/03 02:35 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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my friends light switch to his mercedes broke about a week or two ago.. he has been using pliars (sp?) to turn his lights on and off. so tonight i go over to his house and he comes home... and hes trying to turn his lights off... and me "mr fixet" tries to find something that will work. i look for tools around his house... which i know pretty well. (this is important.. so remember). so im looking around his house trying to find something to fit.. i use a highlighter cap... scratch that... it doesnt work... and i want to fix it! i know i can... i just have to find the right tool. so with other mis haps i go and try to find something... so i look out in the shed and i know there is probably nothing in there cause i know his place real well.
and so as im going into the shed... i have one single "hypnogic thought". its the picture of one of the tools he has... ive used it before and it has a hollowed out bottom so you can screw it on to the handle... but then i think " urekia! i have found the key to turn off his lights". but i know its not in the shed (okay remember?) so i still look through the shed doubting the image i have of the key.. its a particular size. and it couldnt have been fixed with the highlighter cap i found... so sure enough i go looking for it, half drunk. im looking around. i find the image of the tool in my memory from when i went into the shed... sure enough i take it to his car... and Voualah it works.
now the real question. why would i think of this. you are probably going to think im going to use a scape goat for something paranormal or something you seek to define and understand but cant quite come to the realization to... which im assuming is why you created this topic. but the truth... yes still lays un answered.
but the facts are obvious... how would my mind know... and be able to recall the specification of the size of the object. and this i wish to make clear... we have the ability to do what we will if we let ourselves. if we open ourselves up... we can "find the key". to the door way of truth? i dont know.
why would i have that vision pop into my head like i do...
is this a discovery of something very unique in human understanding? or the ability to recall spacial diferntiations of objects applied to some scenario?
regardless! i just want to make a playing field here. where we from both sides can merge... cause i believe i see your side... and i see the side of others. of which you say that people who are questioned retaliate with anger.
one side fuels the fire with anger by questioning... the other side fuels the fire with skepticism.... there is nothing to be skeptical about my occurance.
i gave the facts... what happened happened. and i saw the image before i knew what was going to happen. i thought when i was in the shed that that image may be the key... its size was simmilar...
but where i draw the median is where we cross... from "inspired visions" to great provable human potential...
so i think anyway.. i dont know. i just wanted to post and see how some might react to that.
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Swami
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Re: Testing your Paranormal Hypothesis [Re: spiritshaper]
#1603902 - 06/03/03 08:23 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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you will not find the information you seek by drilling the members of the spirituality and philosophy forum with questions and awnsers that will never produce any fruit for you.
One will never learn anything by asking questions? That is an incredible statement. Will one learn more by accepting everything stated as fact?
More likely they will produce no fruit because there is none.
In your mind, what is the purpose of a debating board if not to debate?
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Re: Testing your Paranormal Hypothesis [Re: Swami]
#1604196 - 06/03/03 10:26 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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pzowned. (pizza hut)
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No one knows the worth of innocence till he knows it is gone forever, and that money can't buy it back. Not the saint, but the sinner that repenteth, is he to whom the full length and breadth, and height and depth, of life's meaning is revealed. Good and evil loose all objective meaning and are seen as equally necessary and contrasting elements in the masterpiece that is the universe.
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spiritshaper
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Re: Testing your Paranormal Hypothesis [Re: nubious]
#1604308 - 06/03/03 11:09 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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i feel for you swami, maybe next life you'll get it.
your powers of picking and choosing are amazing, i'll reitterate:
seriously, if you're this interested in the subject buy that book and at least read up to diamond sutra. After that you should have a deepened understanding and be able to find the awnsers for yourself.
Turn down the negative and turn up the positive
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Swami
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Re: Testing your Paranormal Hypothesis [Re: spiritshaper]
#1604322 - 06/03/03 11:18 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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maybe next life you'll get it.
What exactly might I get?
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Zero7a1
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Re: Testing your Paranormal Hypothesis [Re: Swami]
#1604339 - 06/03/03 11:27 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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you might win a free dvd player... then again... maybe not. you may get enlightenment... you may get sttabbed. you might get another chance! you might get a dance.
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Sclorch
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 Re: Testing your Paranormal Hypothesis [Re: Zero7a1]
#1604435 - 06/03/03 11:53 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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You might not have to deal with any excuses?
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johnnyfive
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Re: Testing your Paranormal Hypothesis [Re: Swami]
#1605144 - 06/03/03 02:59 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok, so swami, is going down the road and has a quick sift in conscieousness, and has an image of a car neary hitting him, with an old lady driving. Did i get it right swami? (the -avioding the car crash premonition?-)
What do you think of having such a "hallucination"? You say your putting it in the catagory of "not enough evidence". Well then you must see it as a some sort of halluicinosis or some shit? What do you think of having an image displayed before your eyes in motion and then disappear, when at least a couple seconds later the motioned image that came to you, HAPPENED! I mean not to many people will dought that it wasn't a paranomal experience. Are you waiting for some sort of telekinesis to be displayed in front of you to see that this kind of stuff is possible.
I think that swami just doesn't want to see the possiblilty, and refuses to see. I understand skepticizm, but i solved that with psiballs.
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However i think ive gone a little crazy though with it, i subconceiously espically when im fucked up, think i can, but i put no conceious thought into it. Ill pick up the phone to talk to my aunt, and then i automaticly assume i know what she's going to bitch about. Im wrong most of the time, and i sit back and say, "Why did i do that?" Its like a have a subconsceious reaction to read a mind, BUT I CAN'T READ MINDS, AND NOR DO I REALLY CARE TOO! Ive gone crazy?  
(ah, screw spelling, and why doesn't my spell check work?  )
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lucid
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Re: Testing your Paranormal Hypothesis [Re: johnnyfive]
#1605203 - 06/03/03 03:12 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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>Ive gone crazy
you've "lost your psiballs" so to speak
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Phalanxx
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Re: Testing your Paranormal Hypothesis [Re: Swami]
#1605744 - 06/03/03 05:46 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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"I will not find proof simply because there isn't any."
As I said, you are a chronic skeptic. You complain about being "psycoanalysed", yet you don't mind telling people they have "faulty ideas" and are deluded. I think what irritates people most is your closed-mindedness. You aren't even open to the POSSIBILITY of paranormal activity.
I don't have any paranormal powers and I don't know anyone who does. I am a skeptic too. I have had a few strange things happen to me, but nothing I would consider irrefutable proof of paranormal activity. Yet I am open-minded that the paranormal MAY exist.
Let's say spirits exist in a form beyond the scope of detection by scientific instruments. How could one ever "prove" their existence if one believed that they DID exist?
Let's say someone contacted you and "proved" to you that they had paranormal powers, and you made your findings public. Can you imagine the explosion of quackery that would follow on the back of that, the same quackery you so eagerly like to disprove, on top of the mountains of quackery already in existence? That could be a reason why people with paranormal powers (if they exist) choose to keep their powers to themselves, out of a sense of responsibility. Also, teaching how to exert paranormal powers publicly would presumably be quite dangerous too. Imagine if the skills fell into the wrong hands. Imagine if Hitler had somehow learned the power of telepathy.
In traditional cultures, people are usually given paranormal powers by spirits. They are usually on condition that the person keeps the power relatively secret, and only uses it out of dire necessity. Using these powers to prove to a hardened skeptic in a laboratory that the paranormal exists is hardly dire necessity.
I am quite sure (as are you) that nobody will take up your challenge, or succeed if they do. I doubt if genuine shamans surf the web much. I fully understand your position. You seem to have done a lot of research into the paranormal and failed to find any irrefutable evidence of its existence. Me too.
Since your search on this thread is virtually futile, why don't you educate us all about your more enlightened way of thinking. How much effort, time and money have you devoted to searching for proof of the paranormal? Have you come across any cases you were quite hopeful about at first? Are you aware of any cases at the moment that have you interested? Are there any cases that ALMOST convinced you?
Let me give you a "Leprachaun Challenge". Would you give permission to anyone who reads this message to enter your house in disembodied form, or send other spirits on their behalf, to pull a few minor stunts that may convince you of the existence of the paranormal? If you feel comfortable about this, please say yes. You don't believe in the paranormal, so I'm sure you will confidently leap at the challenge. 
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Swami
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Re: Testing your Paranormal Hypothesis [Re: Phalanxx]
#1606062 - 06/03/03 07:29 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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You aren't even open to the POSSIBILITY of paranormal activity.
I bend over backwards here being willing to test any abilities, but no one brings the goods. Being close-minded would be demonstrated by an unwillingness to even check things out. Try to see the difference.
Let's say spirits exist in a form beyond the scope of detection ...
If it cannot be detected directly or indirectly, then how can one even knowingly say that it exists?
Are there any cases that ALMOST convinced you?
Yes, mostly from personal experience. While these things seemed amazing, I also recognize the power of self-deception or the ability to misinterpret events.
Let me give you a "Leprachaun Challenge". Would you give permission to anyone who reads this message to enter your house in disembodied form, or send other spirits on their behalf, to pull a few minor stunts that may convince you of the existence of the paranormal? If you feel comfortable about this, please say yes.
Yes, I already have. Even invited people to cast a spell on me. Go for it people. Knock a vase or two over. Make red blotches appear on my skin.
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lucid
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Re: Testing your Paranormal Hypothesis [Re: Swami]
#1606177 - 06/03/03 08:25 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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>Even invited people to cast a spell on me
bubble bubble toil and trouble...
a hex upon thee o Swami...
may ye become a devout believer, bereft of reason
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 Re: Testing your Paranormal Hypothesis [Re: Swami]
#1606243 - 06/03/03 08:55 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Goodbye Brother
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johnnyfive
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Re: Testing your Paranormal Hypothesis [Re: lucid]
#1606278 - 06/03/03 09:10 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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yep
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spiritshaper
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Re: Testing your Paranormal Hypothesis [Re: johnnyfive]
#1606356 - 06/03/03 09:40 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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swami, while i was at work today i was doing some careful contemplation of the views you've presented and have come to a conclusion.
you're an ok guy and i feel you've shown exceptional socological and psycological skills. the way you analize and deconstruct faulty statements consistantly without faltering is amazing. you're relpys to the statements provided to you are very intelligent considering the information you have to work with is each persons view on life. you don't really waver too much from what they're saying to you (ie: you're not changing the subject or including information thats not relevant to the matters at hand). this leads me to beleive that you're pretty advanced spiritually and this is either some type of test, game, or a way for you to sucessfully invoke spiritual debate in others.
at first i took your posts literally, thinking that you were an intelligent person that felt the need to destroy others beleifs as a way to make yourself feel better and affirm your "superior intelligence". i see i was wrong there.
my understanding is that you created this topic to strengthen others spiritual beleifs by putting them to the test, i do not condone nor approve of this method but it does get results as well as provide you with a little information of the beleifs and thought structures of the people you talk to on a daily basis in here.
did i hit the nail on the head or am i completely off base, do i get a cookie? 
Edit: added a comma to sentance.
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Edited by spiritshaper (06/06/03 02:10 AM)
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Re: Testing your Paranormal Hypothesis [Re: spiritshaper]
#1606363 - 06/03/03 09:43 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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First impressions are always........ shit, I forget.
accurate
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Shroomism
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 Re: Testing your Paranormal Hypothesis [Re: Swami]
#1606366 - 06/03/03 09:44 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alright Swami, I'll be seeing you astrally tonight. Friends in tow.
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Re: Testing your Paranormal Hypothesis [Re: Shroomism]
#1606387 - 06/03/03 09:53 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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