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questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP
    #5504695 - 04/11/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

unless one is questioning the beliefs of a skeptic. in other words, if the prayer study had found some correlation between recovery and petition - that would be OK to post, but when reality tells otherwise, that report MUST BE suppressed. this does not make sense. was it just the moderators worldview that was challenged or every single poster there? it is OK to offend the beliefs of atheists or just certain beliefs which are not elucidated in the rules.

are facts not allowed? is galileo still to be sequestered by the 'holy' church even today?


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5504874 - 04/11/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"it takes two to do an insult"
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I think that is the core of that dilemma, [but] they will work it out, soon enough..


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Gomp]
    #5504956 - 04/11/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

wow, you've really become a cry baby. read the forum guidelines. "If you wish to debate and argue a position, the Philosophy & Spirituality forum is your alternative". the mods simply felt that this forum was more appropriate for that thread.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Deviate]
    #5504972 - 04/11/06 07:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

anyone who has an opionion differnt than your s is a 'cry baby'? this is how you show sensitivity?


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5504987 - 04/11/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)


anyone who has an opionion differnt than your s is a 'cry baby'?


how did you reach this conclusion?


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Deviate]
    #5505001 - 04/11/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

how is a question a conclusion? ru unable to distinguish the two?

i jest dont get you. people need to be protected from facts but not from your insults? is that consistent?


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5505048 - 04/11/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

how are people being "protected from facts"? the thread wasn't deleted, it was moved because the moderators felt it was more appropriate for this forum. read the forum guidelines if you can't understand. if a mod moves a thread from this forum into the other forum are the people here being "protected from the facts" or was the thread deemed more appropriate for the other forum?

i called you a cry baby because not only did you complain about it in the thread that was moved but you had to make a whole new thread to complain about it some more since you weren't getting the attention you wanted in the other one.

a question is a conclusion because i never said anyone who dissagrees with me is a cry baby, therefore you must have independently come up with that idea in order to prompt the question. i was asking your reasoning.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5505276 - 04/11/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Temptress said:
this is how you show sensitivity?




How exactly does one show   sensitivity....?

Perhaps by recognizing your "cry babyness~", he was sensitively relating with his own inner "cry babyness~" from within....?


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5505382 - 04/11/06 08:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Not quite. :wink: Telling another that their beliefs are wrong because they are not the same as yours is what that forum Isn't about.

If you want to debate/discuss who's beliefs are more right with empirical evidence, do it in here. Simple. :smile:

If you want to discuss beliefs, ideas and experiences, with people who share a positive mutual interest in the post subject matter, you do it in there. Simple. :smile:

There's one catch that many fail to understand. The foundation of the forum is built upon the premise that there is a mystical religious, paranormal reality that we subjectively experience.

That is why negation of such is pointless in there and will only serve to create negative disturbance. If you want to call that premise horse shit because there is no empirical evidence to prove subjective reality by objective terms, do it in here. Simple. :smile:

That is obviously why your post was moved. You wanted to tell others their belief in prayer is wrong. You wanted to negate beliefs in the paranormal, religious or mystical premise, related to the power of prayer. You wanted to debate with empirical data.

It belongs in here. Simple.  :smile:

Sometimes, people just want to discuss things that they have either no proof for, care not to prove, or feel no need to prove. Simple. :smile:

Where there is a mutual positive interest in a subject, of course participants can ask questions and they will be welcomed. They are welcomed because the purpose of a question coming from someone with a positive mutual interest in the subject, is to gain understanding or learn something new.  :smile:

The demand, masking as a question in any form that basically says, "I don't believe you ! PROVE it to me! is what is uncalled for in there.

People acting with self control, can think in the quiet of their own mind, "I don't believe them" and walk away. Simple. :smile:

If the person posted in there, they were not out to prove anything to anyone in the first place. They were out to discuss subjects with people who share a mutual positive interest in them.

Simple. :wink:  :goodmorning: :sun:

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5506225 - 04/11/06 11:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

how can a fact, a truth, a reflection of reality create a negative disturbance? that is pathetic.

think on that sort of silly 'open-mindedness' for a moment.

naturally if the prayer study got desired results, then it would be allowed. is there not one poster in MRP who sees a serious problem with that sort of wearing of blinders?  :rolleyes:


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5506298 - 04/12/06 12:19 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Reality is a bitter pill.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5506393 - 04/12/06 01:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Facts do not create a negative disturbance. Negativity creates negative disturbance. Thats pretty easy to understand. :wink:

Look up what negation means. Look up what negativity means. Facts are something else and not a problem in and of themselves in there.

Having such a narrow view, that one can not comprehend and or understand the forums purpose, is somehow indicative of not wearing blinders or some other form of ignorance? :smirk:

Lets talk about "out there" beliefs. You put up one post in MR&P about how you don't believe in the power of prayer, with some objective supporting facts, and think everyone who does is suddenly going to stop believing?  :crazy: What empirical evidence do you have to back this belief that everyone will conform to your beliefs and critical views or data presented at your command?

I can prove to you that oranges will give my daughter Hives. That's a fact. According to your logic, oranges therefore give everyone hives? :crazy:

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5506453 - 04/12/06 02:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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and think everyone who does is suddenly going to stop believing?




not at all as that would make sense. better to live a fantasy without any evidence other than wishful thinking.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5506483 - 04/12/06 02:31 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So you prefer to beleive in what doesn't make sense to you? You prefer to stay in your own wishingful thinking and fantasy, that someday it will all magically turn around because of your posts, and all will fall in line with your subjective idea of what makes sense? :confused:

No one ever said you have to beleive in the power of prayer. Do you feel threatened by peoples prayers or people praying for good things to happen? Ahhhhh maybe it was that imaginary adversary someone else saw you consulting with that told you that.:yesnod:

Good luck with your wish to get people to stop praying for good things to happen.:goodluck: Why not just go for the gusto and wish to crush all peoples hopes and dreams too while you're at it? :smile:

Party On! :cheers:

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5506847 - 04/12/06 06:51 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Edit: Misreply - was supposed to go to the first post, not the last.  My comments are in answer to the thread title itself:

> questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP

Hehe... I stuck my foot in that hole by mistake as well...  :grin:

I leave it up to the moderators to decide what works and what doesn't, but for myself, this is the system I use...

S&P = some discussion, lots of debate, NO flames
MRP = lots of discussion, NO debate, NO flames

Again, this is my personal way of looking at it... final word is with the mods, not me.  I have a very difficult time without debate... the way I figure out something is through debate... I don't look at it as a right or wrong, but rather as different sides of an issue.  However, there are a lot of people that simply want a discussion without having to defend the topic.  The split was made to protect the interests of these folks.  So far, it seems to be working out pretty well.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5507082 - 04/12/06 08:44 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

it's made for talking a lot without getting anywhere.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: wilshire]
    #5507760 - 04/12/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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it's made for talking a lot without getting anywhere.




AMEN!  I firmly believe that anyone that really believes in their. err.. beliefs, should look FORWARD to debating their own convictions.  In fact, if you have faith, you should actually hope that someone could prove you wrong.

but im just a little to scientific sometimes  :grin:


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5508107 - 04/12/06 01:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Good luck



a superstitious prayer...

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with your wish to get people to stop praying for good things to happen



as well as bad things. both sides in a war pray for the death of the enemy. cant get more enlightened than that.

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Why not just go for the gusto and wish to crush all peoples hopes and dreams too while you're at it?




nice emotional straw-woman. undertanding the fact that prayer is innefectual in combatting cardiac conditions clears the way for the possibility of REAL understanding and treatment of disease.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: wilshire]
    #5508114 - 04/12/06 01:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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it's made for talking a lot without getting anywhere.




That was a bias and narrow statement.

You could say that about most all of the social forums.

PAL- Lots of talk about the war in Iraq. Where is it getting anyone?
Pub- Lots of talk about the parties people go to and Tattoo design. Where is it getting anyone?
OTD-Lot's of talk about Poo and butsex. Where is it getting anyone?
P&S- Lots of talk about perception. Where is it getting anyone?
MR&P- Lots of talk about chakras. Where is it getting anyone?
Culinary Arts-Lots of talk about food. Where is it getting anyone?


Who can say what anyone else gets out of any social forum here?

Where is it that people participating in the social forums are suppose to be getting to anyway?

Any answer you give to validate one getting people somewhere, be it getting to facts, new information, new understandings, camaraderie, will apply to validate every forums subject Topic.

Everyone has a subjective value for what they get out of the forums they participate in.

Randall once asked why more female members didn't post in PAL. I told him, it was all talk but no one getting anywhere unless they applied  the talk to actual activism off the forum and got a law changed. How many participants in there actually take action to get somewhere?

You see  just talk getting no where in MR&P? For someone looking for information on chakra balancing, or lucid dreaming, they will apply the information away from the forum and may get somewhere they personally want to be with it.

Where are people getting themselves in OTD debating who is the bigger fagot? Obviously somewhere that means something to them.

Where are people in the Pub getting talking about what music they are playing now. Obviously somewhere that means something to them.

Where are people getting in Culinary Arts talking about mixing chocolate syrup with cola? Obviously somewhere that means something to them.

Where are people getting in P&S getting talking about nihilism? Obviously, somewhere that means something to them.

Where are people getting in PAL talking about Cheney's hunting accident? Obviously, somewhere that means something to them.

Where are people getting in MRP talking about scripture interpretation? Obviously somewhere that means something to them.

Why discriminate with such a narrow statement against one social forum when it applies to ALL of them?


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5508123 - 04/12/06 01:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I think it's time to take off those panties and show what a pussy you really are


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5508126 - 04/12/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

apparently you dont understand science because the fact a study doesnt find something hardly means there's nothing there. if this study had found an affect (as many others have) would you be here touting the benefits of prayer? please answer honestly.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Deviate]
    #5508144 - 04/12/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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apparently you dont understand science



first it is important to start with an erroneous ad himenem

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because the fact a study doesnt find something hardly means there's nothing there



true dat, but it certainly doensnt support the contention of THOSE WHO CONDUCTED THE STUDY.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5508215 - 04/12/06 01:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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with your wish to get people to stop praying for good things to happen



as well as bad things. both sides in a war pray for the death of the enemy. cant get more enlightened than that.




If prayer never works, why do you care to put a stop to it? Can you see how funny it is that you are fighting against stopping a force you don't even believe exists. Hahahaha that's called shadow boxing.

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Why not just go for the gusto and wish to crush all peoples hopes and dreams too while you're at it?




nice emotional straw-woman. Understanding the fact that prayer is innefectual in combatting cardiac conditions clears the way for the possibility of REAL understanding and treatment of disease.




That wasn't even an argument. It was a suggestion I made to you. Do you know the difference between the two? Look them up in the dictionary and learn something new today. :smile:

You made a strawman argument though. People in hospitals being prayed for are also seeking the BEST of medical treatment. Are you somehow not aware of this? Are you also not aware of remissions and speedy recoveries medical science can not yet explain.

The doctors don't always fix everything. People die in hospitals and live with chronic illness everyday. That's a fact. They can't always help people even with the best of their knowledge. Some doctors are careless idiots. Start watching the Discovery Health Channel. Do you know how many thousands of people go misdiagnosed by doctors and suffer needlessly for years while getting worse because they turned their faith over to doctors? Do you know about this?

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5508233 - 04/12/06 01:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

clumsy doctors or gaps in medical knowledge does not support prayer any more than spontaneous remission does.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5508268 - 04/12/06 01:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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clumsy doctors or gaps in medical knowledge does not support prayer any more than spontaneous remission does.




Clumsy doctors and gaps in medical knowledge does not support reason to turn 100% faith over to them alone either. :wink:

Where is your credible source data that says, "Medical science can fix everything. It's foolish to waste time trying anything else."?

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5508285 - 04/12/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Where is your credible source data that says, "Medical science can fix everything. It's foolish to waste time trying anything else."?





you are the only source i have heard that sez medecine can fix everything. (yet ANOTHER in a tireless series of straw-women) it does very well at some things (polio, malaria, broken bones, dental work; etc.)whereas prayer fails at everything as far as manipulating EXTERNAL reality.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5508385 - 04/12/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Where is your credible source data that says, "Medical science can fix everything. It's foolish to waste time trying anything else."?





you are the only source i have heard that sez medecine can fix everything. (yet ANOTHER in a tireless series of straw-women) it does very well at some things (polio, malaria, broken bones, dental work; etc.)whereas prayer fails at everything as far as manipulating EXTERNAL reality.



 

You implied it and are now just realistically clarifying your stance that Medical science can not and does not fix everything. Where it can not and does not, who are you to tell people what else they can or can not try when medical science fails them?

Just because you can not get the space shuttle to work for you, does that mean no one else can either? Millions of people out there will tell you that prayer works for them just fine.

I can see you approaching an astronaut and saying, " I couldn't figure out how to fly this thing myself so, your believing you can is all in your head."

I know I know "straw man". :lol: It's not meant to be an argument though. It's a diagram depicting your brand of conclusive logic and method of deductive reasoning.

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5508467 - 04/12/06 02:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

just an external POV:

Quote:

Quote:

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it's made for talking a lot without getting anywhere.




That was a bias and narrow statement.

You could say that about most all of the social forums.

PAL- Lots of talk about the war in Iraq. Where is it getting anyone?
Pub- Lots of talk about the parties people go to and Tattoo design. Where is it getting anyone?
OTD-Lot's of talk about Poo and butsex. Where is it getting anyone?
P&S- Lots of talk about perception. Where is it getting anyone?
MR&P- Lots of talk about chakras. Where is it getting anyone?
Culinary Arts-Lots of talk about food. Where is it getting anyone?




to be fair, he said "talking a lot without getting anywhere." not necessarily meaning that anyone expects action to take place.  but whenever debate is banned from discussion, that discussion does not have much meaning in it, other than to excrete ideas in a public setting.  :crazy2:


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: kotik]
    #5508604 - 04/12/06 03:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Wow, I must be one of the very rare who gets something out of discussion.  I use it mostly for comparison, because every comparison with another human allows me to explore my own internal universe more completely, and it's always growing, other people are always adding to it.  I can integrate information better at my own pace, through discussion.  Then, once I have clarity, I'll debate, to test those ideas. 

People who believe that there is nothing to be gained by sharing ideas through discussion are not keeping in mind that everyone learns differently.  Not only that, but we're all at varying "places" in our heads and like it or not some of us may not feel confident enough to engage in debate yet. 

The most important thing is that we are LEARNING.  What does it matter if you do it through discussion or debate?  They're just words for the same thing, 'SHARING IDEAS.'  The manner in which the information is relayed is what makes the two forums different, because some people learn better "on their own" through discussion rather then an intense cerebral debate among competative minds in which information is blasted out in a more assertive fashion.  And yeah, some people just don't like to be in that state of mind. 

Personally, my background of aggressive religious training makes me feel leery of intense debates.  I've grown up with them.  As an adult, they give me anxiety.  Right now, I much prefer the "at your own pace" type of learning.  I don't need people to tell me how much I am wrong.  If I'm wrong, I'll figure that out on my own.  That's part of the fun.  Debates just seem like a sideshow to nowhere, like beating the bars of a monkey cage to see the monkey jump around inside.  But I know people get use out of them, and I won't write them off completely because I do too on occasion.  I enjoy witnessing debates more then participating in them, which is why I'm a reader of this forum more then a poster.  I seem to learn best by observing things. 

Anyway.  Who the hell cares.  :tongue2:

(guess I do, otherwise I wouldn't have wasted so much time on one post!  ) 

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5508624 - 04/12/06 03:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

PAL- Lots of talk about the war in Iraq. Where is it getting anyone?

Gets em into the ROTC.

Pub- Lots of talk about the parties people go to and Tattoo design. Where is it getting anyone?

Gets em stoned.

OTD-Lot's of talk about Poo and butsex. Where is it getting anyone?

Gets em into an emotionless mental fortress.

P&S- Lots of talk about perception. Where is it getting anyone?

Gets em to the bookstore.

MR&P- Lots of talk about chakras. Where is it getting anyone?

Gets em to the New Age section of the bookstore.

Culinary Arts-Lots of talk about food. Where is it getting anyone?

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: kotik]
    #5508718 - 04/12/06 03:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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other than to excrete ideas in a public setting




Yes, that's why is was created from out of this forum. To be a non debate forum and just a place to share ideas, beliefs and experiences-a place for discussion with people who share mutual positive interests.

That is the point of it

In a debate, people try to argue their side of something with whatever they can to win an argument.

Some people here think they win debates when the one they were debating with, never even budged one inch from the view they had before it started. :lol: Nothing was won over.

For any valid closed mindedness that may go on in a non debate forum, it sure goes on within debates as well. Just because something is being formally debated doesn't mean all participants are being reasonable, rational, logical and open minded.

Illusions and delusions abound in both debates and discussions in life.

Have you read many debates in here and PAL and not noticed how many end up nowhere? Damn, there was once a 40 page debate on free will in here that got nowhere.

Debates go off in PAL about how much people love or hate Bush. They get nowhere.

I would say that in most of the debate styles taking place at the shroomery, people get less further with coming to any place of new understanding because rarely is one listening to the other. Everyone just excretes their views and opinions then walks away.

In a discussion of mutual positive interest, people are relaxed and open and taking in information to learn from. A lot of listening takes place in a pleasant discussion. Therefor, more learning is taking place as well.

Think about it and look for that as you read around here.

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5508831 - 04/12/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You could say that about most all of the social forums.

here and in PAL, there is tough debate which helps sharpen critical reasoning and arrive at truth.

in culinary arts, there is sharing of practical knowledge.

the pub and OTD are for humor and socializing.

the thing that makes MRP special is faith. applying reason is not permitted in that forum because the whole point of the forum is to provide an environment where the faithful may be uninterrupted by their own faculties of reason or anyone else's (it's the only forum where reasoning is prohibited). i do not understand how denying and prohibiting the use of reason can ever be constructive.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: wilshire]
    #5508859 - 04/12/06 04:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

think of it as kindergarten...


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    #5508908 - 04/12/06 04:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

notice im not complaining about the existance of MRP, OTD or the Pub. in fact, im for them. but i dont usually make use of any of them.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5508912 - 04/12/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I admit it.  I eat play dough.  :frown:

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: MOTH]
    #5508994 - 04/12/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)


here and in PAL, there is tough debate which helps sharpen critical reasoning and arrive at truth.

in culinary arts, there is sharing of practical knowledge.

the pub and OTD are for humor and socializing.

the thing that makes MRP special is faith. applying reason is not permitted in that forum because the whole point of the forum is to provide an environment where the faithful may be uninterrupted by their own faculties of reason or anyone else's (it's the only forum where reasoning is prohibited). i do not understand how denying and prohibiting the use of reason can ever be constructive.


the use of reason is not prohibited. the goal of the forum is for people who share an interest in the spiritual worldview to come together and discuss ideas and experiences and share knowledge. the goal is not to question the validity of the spiritual worldview by endlessly questioning every aspect of it. there are some things which simply cannot be proven and therefore its already known that they will not hold up to the most stringent standards of proof. so what is the point of trying to apply these standards when you already know what the result will be? when you already know there are unanswered questions?


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Deviate]
    #5509018 - 04/12/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

and share knowledge

Sharing the knowledge that a Prayer Study Fails Miserably is not sharing knowledge?


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Deviate]
    #5509020 - 04/12/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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so what is the point of trying to apply these standards when you already know what the result will be




those trying to promote a spiritual view through prayer failed to deomonstrate same and so that FACT was shuttled out of the forum.

no one has yet to explain why that was not allowed to remain there. smells alot like fear to me and fear is unspiritual.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5509027 - 04/12/06 05:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Diploid said:
and share knowledge

Sharing the knowledge that a Prayer Study Fails Miserably is not sharing knowledge?




who said it wasn't?


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5509038 - 04/12/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Temptress said:
Quote:

so what is the point of trying to apply these standards when you already know what the result will be




those trying to promote a spiritual view through prayer failed to deomonstrate same and so that FACT was shuttled out of the forum.

no one has yet to explain why that was not allowed to remain there. smells alot like fear to me and fear is unspiritual.




i explained it. the mods felt it was more appropriate for this, the debate forum. scientific studies belong here.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Deviate]
    #5509045 - 04/12/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

scientific studies belong here.

I'd be willing to bet that if a mystic head posts a study where prayer DID help, it would be allowed to stay.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5509063 - 04/12/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Diploid said:
scientific studies belong here.

I'd be willing to bet that if a mystic head post a study where prayer DID help, it would be allowed to stay.




would you not agree that rigorous questinging and debate are a part of science and thus topics having to do with science are more appropriate for this, the debate forum?


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5509099 - 04/12/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

well, i have jsut recieved a 90 day ban in MRP for NOT questioning anothers beliefs in the Riley thread.

is there not supposed to be a warning system?

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5509124 - 04/12/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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would you not agree that rigorous questinging and debate are a part of science and thus topics having to do with science are more appropriate for this, the debate forum?




i agree.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5509201 - 04/12/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

No need for the melodrama.

"duh! it failed because there is no deity listening to pathetic mumblings and petitions - in fact he got pissed off so it worked in reverse..."

This sentence from your thread plainly breaks MRP forum rules 1, 2, and 3. No more needs to be said.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Deviate]
    #5509208 - 04/12/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

it is about THE POSTER not the content, such is the advanced spiritual nature of those running the show.

notice no probem with the Evolution thread as Diploid predicted.

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Deviate]
    #5509246 - 04/12/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

the goal of the forum is for people who share an interest in the spiritual worldview to come together and discuss ideas and experiences and share knowledge. the goal is not to question the validity of the spiritual worldview by endlessly questioning every aspect of it.

i challenge the notion that a spiritual worldview requires the abandonment of reason.

what is the point of comparing different views if it is prohibited to compare them on the most important criterion: basis in, representation of, and usefulness in, reality?


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: wilshire]
    #5509261 - 04/12/06 06:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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i challenge the notion that a spiritual worldview requires the abandonment of reason.





*gasp* Heretic! :whoa:


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: wilshire]
    #5509271 - 04/12/06 06:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well good job taking the quote you used out of context. Within the section you truncated is the phrase, "the use of reason is not prohibited."

The prayer thread which was the original subject of this offshoot thread contains, in the very first post, an insulting attack to any who pray. The arguments above push this fact aside and pretend the thread was moved for another reason. Please spare us the bull.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5509294 - 04/12/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

the goal is not to question ... by endlessly questioning

was this written by the Department of Redundancy Department or what?

also note the exaggeration, the total number of questions is, and has always been, finite in nature.

a few questions MUST therefore be allowed according the the rules.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5509359 - 04/12/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Wow Swami did the people who left over the whole affair know you rushed back in, hiding in drag?


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Asante]
    #5509366 - 04/12/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Dude...I was so about to write...

"Swa--???" 

Nah, couldn't be.  :grin:

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Asante]
    #5509376 - 04/12/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

off-topic posting can result in a warning or a ban according to the rulez...


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    #5509394 - 04/12/06 06:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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off-topic posting can result in a warning or a ban according to the rulez...




The same rules that do not allow questioning anothers beliefs in MRP. Perhaps the thread is off-topic.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5509399 - 04/12/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well good job taking the quote you used out of context. Within the section you truncated is the phrase, "the use of reason is not prohibited."

sorry... reason is not prohibited in MRP. it's more like a regulated controlled substance.

an insulting attack to any who pray.

if it had been worded differently, it would still be against MRP's prohibition of questioning the validity of a practice or belief.

some things are true and some things are not true. to find truth requires one to determine what is true and what is not. it requires one to "question beliefs". the purpose of MRP is clearly not to find truth (because it is prohibited to attempt to seperate truth from non-truth), and i simply do not understand the purpose of discussing philosophical and spiritual topics if it isn't to find truth or to put truth into purposeful action.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Asante]
    #5509401 - 04/12/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)


was this written by the Department of Redundancy Department or what?

also note the exaggeration, the total number of questions is, and has always been, finite in nature.

a few questions MUST therefore be allowed according the the rules.


what are you talking about?


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: wilshire]
    #5509455 - 04/12/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

OK. I misunderstood. You have a good argument. You suggest that the moderators are biased in enforcing the rules. I don't come here often enough to know for myself if this is true. Let's ask the mods.


Any moderators reading this, please reply. If the thread at the following link ( http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5488926/an/0/page/0 ) was written from a more objective perspective, would it have been left in MRP? If the line calling prayer pathetic and making a joke about god punishing the faithful with worse health, etc. was not there, and the thread title was something along the lines of "Study finds no correlation between prayer and surgery success," would the thread remain in MRP?


I imagine that it would. It would then follow the forum rules. The reasoning of the study would be intact. Problem solved.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Asante]
    #5509525 - 04/12/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Wow Swami did the people who left over the whole affair know you rushed back in, hiding in drag?



There's no way Temptress is Swami. Swami was far more insightful and engaging.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: wilshire]
    #5509566 - 04/12/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

(The second half of this post is to Temptress)

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wilshire said:

here and in PAL, there is tough debate which helps sharpen critical reasoning and arrive at truth.




In MR&P, there is pleasant discussion, which helps sharpen respectful social skills, self control and arrive at deeper mutual understandings in areas of common interest. :wink:

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in culinary arts, there is sharing of practical knowledge.



In MR&P, there is also the sharing of practical knowledge related to many esoteric topics, like meditation, energy body work, how to develop deeper insight and clarity, etc. The use of information is relative to ones personal goals and ability to apply it. :wink:

Quote:

the pub and OTD are for humor and socializing.




MR&P is for gaining deeper understandings of the bigger META-picture, through sharing information.  :wink:

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the thing that makes MRP special is faith. applying reason is not permitted in that forum because the whole point of the forum is to provide an environment where the faithful may be uninterrupted by their own faculties of reason or anyone else's (it's the only forum where reasoning is prohibited). i do not understand how denying and prohibiting the use of reason can ever be constructive.




That was completely ignorant wilshire. :tongue:

Posters have valid reasons for what they are interested in and are constructing paradigms of understanding and reason that serve them in their personal goals. You don;t see it because, you have different personal goals, like getting to political truths.

The funniest part is that you believe you do not live on faith everyday.

Do you ask your employer to pay you up front before starting work or do you have faith he will pay you later? Why do you? Because your check is always there on payday. Same goes for people who ritually meditate every morning. When they do, they feel better throughout the day. They have learned to trust they will because they always do. When they had to skip it, they do not feel as good. They have faith that their ritualistic morning meditation brings results because they proved it to themselves through trial and error. Doing something that makes you feel better for the day is good reasoning.

Same with people who work out at the gym and eat healthy.

Regardless, some people get stiffed on paychecks when a business goes belly up. There is no guarantee you'll get your next check, yet you believe you will.

Some guys can pump iron all day and build little muscle mass without steroids. They believed if they pumped iron, they would look like the other guys who do. They started out with faith in the practice that it would bring the desired results.

You have faith, that the burger you order will not give you salmonella and so you order it, because you've never been poisoned before from buying burgers. No guarantee you won't. People have died from salmonella poisoning buying burgers. People still buy them on faith that they were cooked properly.

Why do you bother leaving messages on answering machines? You have faith, the party will get the message. No guarantee. Someone else in the house could erase it first. You leave messages anyway because yo have faith that they will get it.

I could write for 100  pages inciting how much you and others apply faith in your own life. For the same reason you do, so do many others discussing things in MR&P. Many do because, they got results in the past they learned they could trust in and have good reason to make practical applications with some of the information shared there. :smile:

Debating subjective experiences is what gets nowhere. If I say a party sucked and you thought it was awesome, who is right, who is telling the truth about how the party was? PROVE IT!

See how dumb and senseless that is?

Some people recognized that debate being initiated in posts with subjective content in here only lead to senseless arguing and flame wars. So a forum was created for discussion of subjective experiences. Why is that so hard to appreciate or understand?




Temptress, If someone posts in MRP, research data that supports the power of prayer, they are now getting into objective territory and the "here's objective evidence" game. I think mods should be moving that stuff into here as well. If people are bringing up objective data, independent of their own personal experiences, then YES, both sides should be represented, IN HERE. I Agree with that.

I think there is confusion regarding initiating such a policy because "evidence" related to UFO research gets posted in there under the paranormal header, BECAUSE, some members didn't want UFO research and debate/discussion posts in this forum.

Which is it people? Do you want objective MR&P research in support of the validity of MRP topics posted in here or not? If not, then it looks like they will stay in there for now to keep the complainers against that form of "forum cluttering" happy.   :laugh:

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5509642 - 04/12/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quoting you. I just want to point to the part of your post I am talking about.

"the "here's objective evidence" game. I think mods should be moving that stuff into here as well. If people are bringing up objective data, independent of their own personal experiences, then YES, both sides should be represented, IN HERE [S&P]."

If outright banning of objective data is standard practice in the MRP forum, I feel a hefty level of contempt for that forum.

I wholeheartedly disagree with your position that objective data has no place in MRP. Consider the following scenario.

Forum: MRP
Subject: Discuss implications of the results of a study on prayer's effectiveness
Body: [Insert link and description of prayer/heart surgery study] Let's discuss what this study suggests about how God responds or does not respond to prayer, and what implications it makes about the existence of God.

From the forum rules: "The goal of a discussion is to understand. In a discussion, both parties must be careful to remain on the 'same side of the table.'"

100% Kosher MRP material, and it uses the same study you recommended banning simply because of its objectivity. If we remain within the rules, reason does have a valid place in that forum.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Silversoul]
    #5509843 - 04/12/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

There's no way Temptress is Swami. Swami was far more insightful and engaging.

And I doubt Swami's crotch looks like that.  :laugh:


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5509897 - 04/12/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

From dictionary.com, there are two common, varying definitions of "Faith". There seems to be a clear semantic confusion between Wilshire and yourself, ergo, I will clean up this mess to my best ability.

1.)Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.

2.)Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

So if we are to assign different meanings to the word "faith", then obviously it pays to be clear and direct about how we are using the word. Following along, it is perfectly fine to state that we are "faithful" about many things - in certain contexts. However, what must be distinguished, as outlined in the two definitions about, is the difference between faith and blind faith.

For instance, I may go to a dentist soon and will have faith that he knows what he's doing. I have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow. I have faith that the metaphysically-given facts of reality remain absolute, and so forth. In all of these contentions, I need not wander around in my imagination, groping around in the dark and picking out subjective answers - no, all I need to do review the objective data derived from observations of these occurences -all of which have been quite certainly consistent- and articulate the relationship between these objective, consistent occurences and the faith for their continued occurence.

Now, if I had blind faith that I can summon the powers of some cosmic energy and intervene in the natural processes of a cancerous malignancy, then that is different for there is no supporting context. Or to take another example, if a Christian has faith that the "rapture" will come as they've described it, then that is blind faith, as it has zero contextual support in actuality.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5509913 - 04/12/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

We are talking about the difference between posting-

"This research report turned up no evidence of paranormal activity at this address so , paranormal activity does not exist.

and

This research report turned up no evidence of paranormal activity at this address so paranormal activity at this address does not exist.

Do you understand the difference?

I personally do not have issue with the later being posted in there. It's ignorant illogical stances like the first that people are looking to catch some fresh air from.

Why is it some of you are so quick to point out the "imaginations" "ignorance" and "illogic" of a believer in something not well understood, yet are totally blinded by the fabrication, ignorance, illogic of some critics of said beliefs?

:lol: I must have something more productive to be doing then posting in this thread. For anyone who took the time to understand another perspective, I thank you. :smile:

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5510064 - 04/12/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Wilshire wrote:
the thing that makes MRP special is faith. applying reason is not permitted in that forum because the whole point of the forum is to provide an environment where the faithful may be uninterrupted by their own faculties of reason or anyone else's (it's the only forum where reasoning is prohibited). i do not understand how denying and prohibiting the use of reason can ever be constructive.


In rebuttal, Jiggy wrote:
That was completely ignorant wilshire.

Posters have valid reasons for what they are interested in and are constructing paradigms of understanding and reason that serve them in their personal goals.



Jiggy, the MRP-posters having a whyfor behind their beliefs and espousements, does not ever necessarily subsume the proper, objective and fair use of one's faculty of reason. When one arrives at conclusions, premises and beliefs on the grounds of selectively chosen bits of data in accordance with their own bias, they are not using faculty of reason - rather, they are misusing it.

When one blocks out objective evidence that conflicts heavily with their philosophical espousements, when one refuses to consider any number of alternatives of answers to questions they seek answers to - out of evasions of reality, they are not reasonable - they are unreasonable.


While on the other hand, it is indeed often the case that out of simple nescience in the matter at hand, one may inadvertly miss important detail[s] of the situation and thus, arrive at contradictory premises [as demonstrated by savages]. Such innocent errors of knowledge are acceptable, providing that one is willing to correct one's errors in light of such. However, it is important to recognize that this is vastly different from one who knowingly evades reality, facts and knowledge. This volitional escapism is a hallmark of mysticism [pertinently defined in dictionary.com or merriam-webster] - and the MRP forum.

The point, once more, is that the full use of reason, is the only applicable use of reason - however limited by one's natural boundaries, i.e., knowledge, temperament, age, memory-capacity, etc.
To half-use reason, is seriously as dangerous and irresponsible as it is to half-drive a car. Ultimately, lives are in danger by both.




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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5510095 - 04/12/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

This research report turned up no evidence of paranormal activity at this address so paranormal activity at this address does not exist.

My closet is empty, I just looked. So, the Flying Spaghetti Monster only does not exist in my closet (necessarily granting that He MAY be living in a nice condo on Neptune, but we're not addressing that now and everyone should assume he does live on Neptune, just in case).

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5510115 - 04/12/06 09:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

My closet is empty, I just looked.




lets take up a clothes drive for poor diploid...  :frown:


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5510130 - 04/12/06 10:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
This research report turned up no evidence of paranormal activity at this address so paranormal activity at this address does not exist.

My closet is empty, I just looked. So, the Flying Spaghetti Monster only does not exist in my closet (necessarily granting that He MAY be living in a nice condo on Neptune, but we're not addressing that now and everyone should assume he does live on Neptune, just in case).

Alright. I love the way you think! :crazy2:




come on diploid, jiggy never said everyone should assume prayer works. she gave a scientific assesment of the results, i thought thats what you were in favor of.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Deviate]
    #5510164 - 04/12/06 10:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

She's saying that you should believe something until it's disproved. That is faulty thinking of the highest order because even if a trillion studies show prayer is useless, she will always come back and claim that maybe study one-trillion-and-one will show it works.

That's not a search for Truth. Rather it's a search for validation of your beliefs while selectively excluding anything that contradicts your beliefs.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Deviate]
    #5510174 - 04/12/06 10:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

smearing spaghetti sauce on your walls will no more make a wish come true than getting on your knees, lighting a candle and mumbling words to yourself (or an imaginary friend). should would do endless testing of every possible nonsensical ritual based on nothing at all?


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5510190 - 04/12/06 10:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

a more valid test would be to mail me a check for $100 while making a wish...

oh wait! that has already been done to death by many televangelistas.... never mind.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5510197 - 04/12/06 10:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Wiccan_Seeker: I take it back. Temptress is Swami. I guess I just never noticed how annoying he was before.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Silversoul]
    #5510209 - 04/12/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Temptress is Swami

OMG! You mean that IS Swami's crotch? :whoa:


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Silversoul]
    #5510218 - 04/12/06 10:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

annoyance is a quality of the observer; not the observed.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5510251 - 04/12/06 10:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
She's saying that you should believe something until it's disproved. That is faulty thinking of the highest order because even if a trillion studies show prayer is useless, she will always come back and claim that maybe study one-trillion-and-one will show it works.

That's not a search for Truth. Rather it's a search for validation of your beliefs while selectively excluding anything that contradicts your beliefs.





she did not say you should believe something until its disproved. from now on please provide a direct quote to back up all your paraphrasing because its obvious your statements dont accurately reflect her position.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5510267 - 04/12/06 10:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Temptress said:
smearing spaghetti sauce on your walls will no more make a wish come true than getting on your knees, lighting a candle and mumbling words to yourself (or an imaginary friend). should would do endless testing of every possible nonsensical ritual based on nothing at all?





you never answered my question, if this study had found an affect from prayer, would you be here touting its benefits?


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Silversoul]
    #5510281 - 04/12/06 10:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Paradigm said:
Wiccan_Seeker: I take it back. Temptress is Swami. I guess I just never noticed how annoying he was before.




so the mods here don't mind people evading bans? on other boards ive been to such behavior is worthy of an ip ban.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Deviate]
    #5510339 - 04/12/06 10:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

she did not say you should believe something until its disproved

She says it all the time, Deviate.

from now on please provide a direct quote

OK.

Here's one recent apropos example of many:

I pointed out that reverend Peter Popoff (who claims to read the mind of audience members by communicating directly with God) was exposed as a bold-faced liar by James Randi.

Randi caught Popoff using an accomplice with a radio transmitter and a tiny receiver in his ear to 'read minds'. Despite this, people have continued to pay the admission fee and stream into his prayer meetings by the millions every year.

jiggy's reply: Prove they were there because they believed he could read minds in the first place.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5493666#Post5493666

In other words, Popoff was exposed as a lying sack of shit about his ability to read minds, but maybe his OTHER powers are real because they haven't been disproved yet (he can cure everything from constipation to cancer with a smack to the head).


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Deviate]
    #5510363 - 04/12/06 10:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

so the mods here don't mind people evading bans? on other boards ive been to such behavior is worthy of an ip ban.

Encouraging enforcement against another who's not harming you (or anyone else) and is currently under the radar is about as spiritual as calling the cops on your neighbor for growing pot.

There's a more spiritual alternative. It's called the Ignore Button. But what do I know about spirituality.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Deviate]
    #5510372 - 04/12/06 10:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

who here believes in reincarnation?

Tiruchi Swami dead

By Our Special Correspondent

BANGALORE, JAN. 15. Sri Sivarathnapuri Mahaswami died at Kailash Ashram established by him at Rajarajeshwarinagar here, on Friday. The last rites were performed later in the day.

He was 74. He was popular as Tiruchi Swamiji.

Hailing from Tirunelveli in Tamil Nadu, Sri Tiruchi Swamiji settled in Bangalore many years ago.

He had constructed Sri Rajarajeshwari Temple adjacent to the ashram off the Mysore road.

The Chief Minister, N. Dharam Singh; the former Prime Minister, H.D. Deve Gowda; and the Minister for Law and Parliamentary Affairs, H.K. Patil; have mourned his death.

The Governor of Maharashtra, S.M. Krishna, said with the demise of Jagadguru Tiruchi Swamiji, the people of the State have lost a great spiritual leader.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5510399 - 04/12/06 10:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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so the mods here don't mind people evading bans? on other boards ive been to such behavior is worthy of an ip ban.

Encouraging enforcement against another who's not harming you (or anyone else) and is currently under the radar is about as spiritual as calling the cops on your neighbor for growing pot.

There's a more spiritual alternative. It's called the Ignore Button. But what do I know about spirituality.




obviously the mods are aware of the situation and it is under their discretion (totally unlike your example) i simply asked a question because i am GENUIENLY CURIOUS about the way things operate on these boards.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Deviate]
    #5510417 - 04/12/06 10:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You asked the question to bring the issue to light and get the mods' attention. There's no other reason for posing it. Double that for pointing out how it's an IP ban on other boards.

Very spiritual of you. :thumbdown:


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5510419 - 04/12/06 10:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Here is something productive to work on. :smile: I get to  Illustrate a classic skeptic fabrication of the facts at hand.

Quote:

Diploid said: She's saying that you should believe something until it's disproved.




NO! I said, one doing investigative research can only conclude that paranormal activity does not exist in said house after being thoroughly investigated and the source of suspected activity found.

If another homeowner "suspects" paranormal activity, investigative research should be done before one comes to any conclusions about THAT house. 

No where did I say what you, "imagined in your head" that I said. 

And diploid, if every poster looked like their avatars , does that mean you have a square head and I have fins?  :lol:

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5510457 - 04/12/06 11:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Direct answer please:

How many houses have to fail the Paranormal Test before you will grant that there is no such thing as a Paranormal House?

A hundred?

A million?

A trillion?

Some other number?

[Note to audience: jiggy will not answer my direct, simple question because if she did, it would demonstrate that she's not after Truth, but rather validation of her beliefs.]


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5510459 - 04/12/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Do you think that the world would be a "better place" if there was no belief in a higher power, spirituality, or blind faith....?

Just speaking about general human moral here, do you think the changes in beliefs of ALL people in such a manner would be a positive, negative, or neutral (in general), and why....?

Curious about your thoughts....


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5510469 - 04/12/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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You asked the question to bring the issue to light and get the mod's attention. There's no other reason for posing it. Double that for pointing out how it's an IP ban on other boards.

Very spiritual of you. :thumbdown:




so i have no right to know the policies reguarding the circumvention of bans?  there's absolutely no reason to assume that anything would change as a result of my asking a simple question. i still want to know what the policy is. if i get banned, am i allowed to simply come back on an alternate name? can this result in a longer ban or is it ok to do? both of these questions have relevance to me and there's no reason i should refrain from asking them, nor should my asking them result in any drastic changes being made. if it does, then blame the mods, not me. they should have a set policy in place.



There's no other reason for posing it


yes there is. i want to know what the deal is reguarding bans.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Deviate]
    #5510540 - 04/12/06 11:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Deviate, for the sake of brevity I shall explain this as quickly as possible. The Mods do whatever the fuck they want.  :blush:


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    #5510550 - 04/12/06 11:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

that is a good topic for a fresh post - go for it!


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #5510562 - 04/12/06 11:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Do you think that the world would be a "better place" if there was no belief in a higher power, spirituality, or blind faith....?

Well, we wouldn't have:

-Suicide bombers

-Witch burnings at the hands of the Catholics

-Endless killing in Northern Ireland

-Genocide in Rwanda

-War in Bosnia-Herzegovina

-Civil war in Sudan

-Extreme, radical fundamentalist Muslim terrorists in Afghanistan

-Fragile peace in Bosnia holding only due to the presence of UN peacekeepers

-Ivory Coast murders of Muslims at the hands of the government

-Fragile peace in Cyprus holding only due to the presence of UN peacekeepers

-Ongoing conflict in India among Animists, Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs

-Fighting between Christians and Muslims in Ambon Province in India

-Repeated killings over Kashmir by Hindus and Muslims who both claim it on religious grounds

-Hundreds of people in South Africa murdered each year for being witches

-Poor Galileo would not have been inquisitioned and threatened with torture if he didn't denounce his earlier claim that Jupiter has moons. The old scientist was was sentenced to life in prison anyway.

-And Ahmadinejad, Iran's leader, would not believe a divine Saviour known as the Mahdi will appear on Earth after a worldwide cataclysm and be developing nuclear weapons for the purpose of starting World War 3 and hastening His arrival.

So, uhm... yeah, the world WOULD be a better place without mysticism.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5510574 - 04/12/06 11:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Deviate]
    #5510576 - 04/12/06 11:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yes there is. i want to know what the deal is reguarding bans.

You could have done that with a generic PM to a mod without an off-topic post bringing attention to the issue concerning ONE specific member.


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5510578 - 04/12/06 11:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Do you really think that in the absence of religion, that people wouldn't find new stuff to fight about?


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Silversoul]
    #5510592 - 04/12/06 11:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Many times individuals who give up a religion simply adopted a secular religion, such as Marxism or Objectivism. "Oh dear, somebody please tell me what's going on!"


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5510593 - 04/12/06 11:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
she did not say you should believe something until its disproved

She says it all the time, Deviate.

from now on please provide a direct quote

OK.

Here's one recent apropos example of many:

I pointed out that reverend Peter Popoff (who claims to read the mind of audience members by communicating directly with God) was exposed as a bold-faced liar by James Randi.

Randi caught Popoff using an accomplice with a radio transmitter and a tiny receiver in his ear to 'read minds'. Despite this, people have continued to pay the admission fee and stream into his prayer meetings by the millions every year.

jiggy's reply: Prove they were there because they believed he could read minds in the first place.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5493666#Post5493666

In other words, Popoff was exposed as a lying sack of shit about his ability to read minds, but maybe his OTHER powers are real because they haven't been disproved yet (he can cure everything from constipation to cancer with a smack to the head).




Another classic example of a skeptic misrepresenting the facts to fool people into beleiving something that isn't true.:nono:

You proved nothing of my believing in anything of the sort diploid.

How does his being caught with the MIC PROVE, members of the church ever attended ONLY because he claimed to read minds or continued too because they decided to beleive he still could even though he was caught using a mic?

Thats an assumption. Until you interview every church member and ask why they went to that Church and continue too, you are making false assumptions. You are the one believing that's why everyone attended and continue too without getting the facts.

FYI, some people go to churches for a sense of community. Some people go to meet potential dating partners. Some people go, out of curiosity. Some people go because they prefer group prayer or worship of God, not the minister. There are many other possible and plausible reasons for why members would continue to go, even if he was caught using a mic.

Why assume members still attending masses still believe he was doing it without the mic? :confused:

If you assume that without interviewing all of the members, you are the one believing in things until they are proven untrue. NOT ME buddy.  :wink:

Jim Baker was caught committing the "sin" of infidelity and embezzlement. It was all over the news for months and he served a jail sentence for it, you couldn't miss it. Yet when he founded a new ministry, people who forgave him of those things still attended knowing full well what he was found guilty of.

Do you honestly believe all people attending his new ministry don't believe he slipped Jessica Hahn the holy salami or stole money from the church?  :confused:

Same plausible scenario with the Mic fraud guy.

You are guilty of what you are attempting to find me at fault for.

BTW, I am open minded enough to consider a reasonable possibility of something being so, WHILE looking for a more logical explanation.

If my sister told me she thought someone at work was poisoning her coffee, I will look for a more logical reason for her symptoms and suspicions while also considering, the possibility. That's different from "believing" as if its a "proven fact". What if someone was, I found no evidence to the contrary, and decided to tell her it was all in her head and she ended up dead and the autopsy showed lethal amounts of arsenic in her.

I'm not that sloppy in either direction diploid.  :smirk:

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5510623 - 04/12/06 11:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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that is a good topic for a fresh post - go for it!




http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5510604/an/0/page/0


Alright, disregard my above post (that is really not on topic), I made a new thread for my questions..... 


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5510646 - 04/12/06 11:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I agree with mostly everything you said but just want to say that the peace in Cyprus has nothing to do with religion as I know that first hand.

Yes, all these things would not have happened but then more "fragile" people that need to believe in something bigger brighter and good may eventually turned out to be criminals or most probably feel extremely insecure atc. What I mean to say is that there would be consequences definately.

Most religions I don't like. The ones I like still have parts which I don't agree. Why do we have to belong to a group in that part of our lifes? We don't. I prefer having good friends than an invisible god. I know I could have had both, many people do, and I actually envy them. It is fantastic how the christians for example believe so narrow mindedly in christ. That never ceases to amaze me. Oops...out of topic...

As I am one of the people that can not believe to something that really doesn't give me the slightest proof that it exists, I would like all people to be like me.... we would sure have a lot less blood shed for sick peoples wills for fortune and world domination. Remember the:

- "Are you a Christian?"
- "No."
- "Believe or Die!"

...crusades kind of thing.

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Silversoul]
    #5510652 - 04/12/06 11:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Do you really think that in the absence of religion, that people wouldn't find new stuff to fight about?

I believe that with the rise of reason and critical-thought, both anathema to religion, people would devote their energy toward productive endeavors rather than inventing things not in evidence, then killing each other over them, yes.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5510658 - 04/12/06 11:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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yes there is. i want to know what the deal is reguarding bans.

You could have done that with a generic PM to a mod without an off-topic post bringing attention to the issue concerning ONE specific member.




last time i PMed a mod i never reiceived an answer, even after sending multiple PMs. i didn't start the off topic posts about temptress identity either. basically, it seemed like a good time to raise this question because in my opinion the mods should simply unban people's accounts if they are going to allow them back. having users come back on different names simply adds unecessary confusion and drama, as you can see.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Deviate]
    #5510697 - 04/12/06 11:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post2278810

there is the old post...we had a nice discussion then.....


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5510709 - 04/12/06 11:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Many times individuals who give up a religion simply adopted a secular religion, such as Marxism or Objectivism. "Oh dear, somebody please tell me what's going on!"



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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5510742 - 04/13/06 12:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I replied to you here.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5510783 - 04/13/06 12:24 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Diploid said:
Direct answer please:

How many houses have to fail the Paranormal Test before you will grant that there is no such thing as a Paranormal House?

A hundred?

A million?

A trillion?

Some other number?

[Note to audience: jiggy will not answer my direct, simple question because if she did, it would demonstrate that she's not after Truth, but rather validation of her beliefs.]




:lol: And like you will address my reply to your misrepresentation of me in your reply about that Mic fraud dude. :nono:

I don't work like you do Diploid. I tend to take things on a case by case basis.

So what if the first ten, thousand or million of people ate peanuts safely. Does that mean we should  conclude "peanuts are safe for ALL people present and future to eat?"

Is that how you derive the truth of something diploid?  :crazy: That's lazy and sloppy truth seeking. You're right I won't choose from your, irrelevent to my way of thinking, selection of answers.  :smirk:

Peanuts will throw some people into aniphalictic shock and kill them.

Case by case I take it. There's your answer that you can fabricate some more BS about me from. 

Trying to force someone to say something, with pre-selected options they don't agree with isn't getting to the truth of anything. It's manipulating a false truth.

Your questions integrity gets a :thumbdown:

What good is asking someone what ice cream they think is the worlds greatest, when you only give them the choice of pistachio or rocky road? You'll get an untrue answer if they think it is mint chocolate.

Fabricated questions to get the results you want to see doesn't bring anyone closer to any real truth. Your methods suck. :smile:


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5510812 - 04/13/06 12:35 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Still waiting for an answer to my simple, direct question...  :rolleyes:


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5510817 - 04/13/06 12:37 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It could be a very long research.....lol
It all depends on what you call a paranormal house...


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5510820 - 04/13/06 12:38 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

two normal houses... :smile:


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5510827 - 04/13/06 12:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5510832 - 04/13/06 12:45 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It's right above this reply of yours I'm replying to. Sherlock Holmes you are not.:lol: You miss evidence right under your nose.:lol: Amazing what the mind will ignore when its not the belief/answer it is are looking for, because it wants to beleive something other then the truth.  :smirk:

To answer any of the options you gave would mean my having to tell an untruth and that is no way to get to the truth.

Still waiting for you to admit you were wrong for your bogus misrepresentation of my position in the thread link you posted. :goodmorning:

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5510888 - 04/13/06 01:23 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Sherlock Holmes you are not.

Eh? The question requires a NUMERIC answer. Sherlock Holmes, indeed.

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How many houses have to fail the Paranormal Test before you will grant that there is no such thing as a Paranormal House?




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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5510904 - 04/13/06 01:31 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Then the question requires a false answer from me which I will not give. I did give my honest answer and you ignored the truth. No way to get to a true answer sherlock. Perhaps its you who doesn't care to get to the truth but rather what you want to believe by manipulating experiments to get the answers you believe in. :thumbdown:

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5510913 - 04/13/06 01:37 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Then the question requires a false answer from me

The question exposes how you contradict yourself.

which I will not give.

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5510943 - 04/13/06 02:04 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

:what:

Someone genuinely seeking truth, will not blow off investigating future possibilities just because some others fell short. Someone lazy or not interested will give up pretty early on though.

Diploid, face it, this is a classic trick to drag people into places where you can make them look to contradict themselves. I didn't fall for it. I've seen you and swami pull it too many times. Deal with it. Save it for a noob.  :smirk:

You tried to get me to give a definitive numeric answer, so you would then say, I contradicted my first statement of saying I would take it on a case by case basis.

I didn't fall for it, and now you are frustrated that you didn't get to pull off your tired old manipulation trick, so you decide to just post that I contradicted myself anyway. :lol:

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5510968 - 04/13/06 02:17 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

[gettinjiggywithit said:

Someone genuinely seeking truth, will not blow off investigating future possibilities just because some others fell short. Someone lazy or not interested will give up pretty early on though.





I want to expansiate on that. Say an archaeologist is assigned to work on Darwin's Theory. Say he gets ten, 20, 100 requests to come look at new discoveries people think may be missing links. If they all turn out to be Hoax's does he stop investing future claims?

NO! Not if he is committed to finding the possible truth of something people want answers for. One of them may turn out to be authentic and a revolutionary discovery.

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5512808 - 04/13/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I am not sure if diploid is asking for the number. Is it for a practical or theoretical reason? For a theoretical reason it makes no sense asking for the number because there will always be the chance that the next house will be haunted. But for a practical reason and stable conditions(our todays technology for example) there should always be a limit. But how could jiggy know if he is not involved with the particular research? Anyway I have the feeling that as long as people say that they are aware of a possibly haunted house, our technology advancing and an answer not yet be found, there will be research about this kind of phenomenon.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5512888 - 04/13/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

About the question you posed.

No number. Nothing can be proven not to exist. Here's another question:

Direct answer please:

How many houses have to be found to not contain Osama Bin Laden before you will grant that Osama Bin Laden no longer exists?

A hundred?

A million?

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5512909 - 04/13/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

RedNukleus said:
About the question you posed.

No number. Nothing can be proven not to exist. Here's another question:

Direct answer please:

How many houses have to be found to not contain Osama Bin Laden before you will grant that Osama Bin Laden no longer exists?

A hundred?

A million?

A trillion?

Some other number?




Nothing can be proven not to exist...Theoretically yes but practically not. We have to set some limits in our lives so we can live them! If someone asks you to open the door and you insist that there is a possibility that a black dragon will cast a fire spell on you when you open it and then refuse to open the door most people would say that you are mad. Many things are practically proven not existent. Gravity pulls you to the core of the earth and not outwards. It has been proven and the possibility that earth is working on another way is very very low since we all experience how gravity between planets and generally between two pieces of material works.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5512933 - 04/13/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

No. Nothing can ever be proven false. The closest we can get is that it has never been shown to be true. That is more proper terminology for the matter of the existence of paranormal houses or black dragons. They have never been shown to exist. We can all generally agree that they are false, but we have NOT proven them false, as you said here: "Many things are practically proven not existent"


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5512955 - 04/13/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, practically but not theoretically. I think we agree! :-) I understand what you say by nothing can ever be proven false. But since with our current minds we can not understand the essence od "infinity" it is best to keep an open mind about things like you do but live our lives practically so that we can be happy and can carry some research on so that we can someday prove that the assumptions we made in order to be happy in order to research were wrong.

lol

If you are in a isolated room with a man and while you look away someone kicks you in the butt, you ask the man and he sais he didn't do it, what is his statement. It is practically absolutely false(given the dimensions we can feel etc) but theoretically keeping an open mind, anything could've happened.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5512959 - 04/13/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5512979 - 04/13/06 04:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I think that you need to stop worrying about what others believe.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5513032 - 04/13/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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How many houses have to be found to not contain Osama Bin Laden before you will grant that Osama Bin Laden no longer exists?

Some other number?




Yes, some other number - the amount of houses in the world.

Come on now, really, let's not make fools of ourselves. :rolleyes:

Also, your question isn't logical, because it is entirely possible for Osama Bin Laden to exist, but yet not in a house.  :tongue:

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5513045 - 04/13/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

haha yeah i thought of that too. So the answer is, no number is significant. He might not be in a house.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5513077 - 04/13/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Nothing can be proven not to exist.

That was my point.

But while it's not possible to prove the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist, it's also not reasonable to believe He does.

And for the same reason, while it's not possible to prove that mysticism is self-deception and wishful thinking, after a hundred years of looking for it with controlled tests and not finding a shred of evidence that it's for real, it's time to throw in the towel.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5513085 - 04/13/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

We have a lot to learn about how our brain works... I don't think scientist will give up just yet... even in that field.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5513096 - 04/13/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

There's plenty to learn about the brain, but magic has been tested and tested and falls flat on its face every time.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5513098 - 04/13/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hey, you can bash all other faiths but NOT MY FAITH ASSHOLE!
FSM DOES EXIST!! I'm leaving bye! I can't live in a world of people who don't accept the flying spaghetti monster!!!1

On a serious note, I'll drop my argument. We obviously are on the same side of this mysticism discussion.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5513102 - 04/13/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Have you been touched by His noodly appendage too? HALLELUJAH!


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5513189 - 04/13/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Isn't it common knowledge that having a belief and a positive outlook helps people recover from illness quicker and more often? Just like having a pet dog helps people live longer, just because it makes them happy.


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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5513196 - 04/13/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You can be optimistic without God.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5513218 - 04/13/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I dont understand why you guys even care if people believe in things or not.


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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5513226 - 04/13/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

We care because believing in lies is always bad, and not just for the believer, but also for the rest of us.

Check out this list for a few reasons why.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5513228 - 04/13/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Because of things like George W. Bush publicly condemning stem cell research on the basis that it is incompatible with his religious morals. Stem cell research would bring about a revolution in the medical field.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5513231 - 04/13/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yep, add that to the list.  :thumbup:


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5513245 - 04/13/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You should become president so we can all research stem cells and save thousands of lives that should of died and fuck up the world balance even worse.

IMO any medical help besides applying pressure to a bleeding wound or maybe a little antiseptic is bad. People need to die, or else eventually we will be forced to kill off people when the world becomes horribly over populated. After the resources run out people living longer than they should of is eventually going to kill more people than what should have died naturally in the first place.


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5513261 - 04/13/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I personally care about others opinions if you take the fact that people kill in the name of religion aside. I would love it if someone could prove to me the existence of some god and persuade me in why I should do what the god says is right to do.

As for the mind affecting matter....I kind of believe it could happen... don't know why, just a feeling not a belief really. I have this feeling that we could use our mind a lot more than we currently are. I red somewhere that we are only using a small percentage of our minds possible potential. Who knows....?


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5513273 - 04/13/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe...but nature has a way of setting things straight. Ever seen how some organism have adapted to their environments after many many years? Ever noticed how the tendency has developed for more people to turn gay?


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5513277 - 04/13/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So then you would logically oppose people having faith, because it might give them a positive outlook and make them recover from illness more quickly.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5513281 - 04/13/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

+ We are part of the world's balance and most probably as we have the option to not research stemm cells to help with the balance, some else civilization or state of matter may have the option to slowly eliminate us with various ways like diseases for example. All technology is good, I love technology but if and only if you set a limit to it.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5513316 - 04/13/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Don't put words into my mouth. I never said that people need to die as quickly as possible. What I'm saying is that I dint feel it is right for scientist to make body organs in a lab and things like that, it is way too much.

- To the other guy about people evolving to become gay, thats not true. People are not evolving to be gay there are just more people to be gay.


One of these days when every inch of this planet is populated like Tokyo and huge famines break out and 3/4 the world population dies of some weird disease people will re think how good of an idea stem cell research was.


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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5513330 - 04/13/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"- To the other guy about people evolving to become gay, thats not true. People are not evolving to be gay there are just more people to be gay. "

The other guys nick is Shroomerious. What relation are you making? More people compared to the past. That is called evolution.

"One of these days when every inch of this planet is populated like Tokyo and huge famines break out and 3/4 the world population dies of some weird disease people will re think how good of an idea stem cell research was. "

You have some facts for that relating to stem cells? No. Thought so. Stem cells are good if and only if, as I said, you put a limit to their application.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5513332 - 04/13/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It will never happen, but hypothetically I think it would be a good plan to implement both stem cell research and a legal birth limit.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5513360 - 04/13/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

No dude, im saying that 1 guy in 10 being gay is the same as 10 in 100 being gay.

Theres not more gay people theres just more people thats not an evolution.


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5513406 - 04/13/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well, my feeling is that lots of people turn gay,it is just a feeling. Do you have facts to support your analogy?


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    #5513415 - 04/13/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

anyway you missed the point


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5513422 - 04/13/06 07:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

No i don't, and i am finished talking about the evolution of fags, its the last thing i want on my mind. Ill leave that contemplation up to you.


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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5513423 - 04/13/06 07:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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You should become president so we can all research stem cells and save thousands of lives that should of died and fuck up the world balance even worse.




That doesn't make sense, on more levels than one.

First off, "should have died"? That is like stating "I was driving for a cliff, and I shouldn't have steered the other way, because I should have died!".

Exactly what mechanism judges whether or not one "should" die? :confused:

Ever heard of cause and effect? Balance remains, no matter what.

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IMO any medical help besides applying pressure to a bleeding wound or maybe a little antiseptic is bad.




What do you mean? These are exceptions, situations where medical help can be applied? But...

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People need to die


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If we let them bleed, or let them become infected, they would die. After all, people need to die! :wtf:

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, or else eventually we will be forced to kill off people when the world becomes horribly over populated.




Who says the world will become over populated because people live longer? Your mere speculation isn't an arguement agansit stem cell research.

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After the resources run out people living longer than they should of  is eventually going to kill more people than what should have died naturally in the first place.




Who says resources have to run out? Simply because you fantasize events taking place in a certain manner does not mean that reality will actually occur as such.

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5513432 - 04/13/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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One of these days when every inch of this planet is populated like Tokyo and huge famines break out and 3/4 the world population dies of some weird disease people will re think how good of an idea stem cell research was.




I cannot help but comment on the limited short-sightedness of this comment. :wtf:

Improved medical care = massive overpopulation, famine, disease, and death?

Yes, that is why first world countries' populations are dying of starvation and plague, and third world countries in Africa are living the high life. :rolleyes:

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5513447 - 04/13/06 07:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well if a person is in need of some stem cells then it is probably time for them to make room for someone that has some.

I already stated before why I think too much medical technology can cause problems.

If ten peoples lives are saved by stem cell research dosnt that mean there will be ten too many people on this planet tommorow? Eventually all them tens will rack up to dangerous amounts.


I didnt fantasize about anything everyone knows that disease spreads faster when populations are bunched up close together. And when there are so many people that every square inch of the planet is covered in concrete where the hell are we going to grow food? And dont say something dumb like water and geolite.


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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    #5513493 - 04/13/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Well if a person is in need of some stem cells then it is probably time for them to make room for someone that has some.




People don't need stem cells. Stem cells can be considered "blank" cells that can be utilized to create other cells. That's the most simplified explanation that I can think of, I personally don't read into it. :wink:

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I already stated before why I think too much medical technology can cause problems.




What's the difference between the United States and Ethiopia? Between Europe right now and during the Dark Ages? Medical technology?

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If ten peoples lives are saved by stem cell research dosnt that mean there will be ten too many people on this planet tommorow?




No? If someone cuts themself accidentally, and we bandage it up, won't that be one person too many on the planet tomorrow? Same difference.

It isn't as if current birth-rate trends would continue as they are now, either. The more one's life expectancy increases, the older they are before they reproduce, generally.

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Eventually all them tens will rack up to dangerous amounts.




Possibly, but I doubt it.

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I didnt fantasize about anything everyone knows that disease spreads faster when populations are bunched up close together.




Everyone also knows that an increase in medical technology means the ability to prevent and treat more disease.

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And when there are so many people that every square inch of the planet is covered in concrete where the hell are we going to grow food? And dont say something dumb like water and geolite.




No one stated that the planet was going to be covered in concrete. The mannes in which we derive energy for ourselves to consume can change in the future, as well. A plant obtains its energy directly from the Sun, you know. With increases in medical technology, who is to say that we couldn't do so, as well? Do you realize what that would mean? :thumbup:

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5513541 - 04/13/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

All of the highly populated places Ive ever been to everything i seen was concrete sitting on top of concrete, and i imagine this practice wont fade for a long time, people will always hate mud.


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5513759 - 04/13/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Actually, one big contributor to population growth, especially among those least able to care for their kids, is religion.

The infallible Pope insists that using any kind of contraceptive (including pills, pulling out, IUDs, and condoms) is a sin. This ignorant mysticism contributes not only to overpopulation and misery in the third world, but to HIV and other STDs everywhere.

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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Diploid]
    #5514087 - 04/13/06 10:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

To add to your argument, Christianity is the most popular religion on earth, by far. 33% of the world is Christian. 2,019,052,000 people are Christian, according to the 2002 Encyclopedia Britannica. Islam is second with 1.2 billion, (19.7%), then Hinduism with 819 thou, No Religion with 771 thousand. With 33% of the world's population, I find it very likely that a comparable portion of people do not practice birth control and therefore contribute to population growth.

What I'm trying to say is that a world without massive trust in false ideas would be better than ours.


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    #5514106 - 04/13/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"What I'm trying to say is that a world without massive trust in false ideas would be better than ours. "

Yep. How about massive trust in each other? I like that a lot more than convincing myself to believe in an invinsible god.


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    #5516961 - 04/14/06 07:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Don't take it personally. Some people can only handle a little truth...some none at all.


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Re: questioning anothers beliefs is wrong in MRP [Re: Temptress]
    #5517471 - 04/14/06 10:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"Nothing can be proven not to exist."
Not generally, but locally and conceptually, proven it can be :smile:


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