qman said:

The refugees are also going to face the same problem, they have nothing in common with the native populations, they have different values, culture, religion, heritage, and genetics.

All the major leaders of the EU have already admitted the "cultural diversity" within the EU has been a massive failure. What more evidence do you want to see?

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at the shortsightedness.

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http://www.ushistory.org/us/25f.asp

In Ireland almost half of the population lived on farms that produced little income. Because of their poverty, most Irish people depended on potatoes for food. When this crop failed three years in succession, it led to a great famine with horrendous consequences. Over 750,000 people starved to death. Over two million Irish eventually moved to the United States seeking relief from their desolated country. Impoverished, the Irish could not buy property. Instead, they congregated in the cities where they landed, almost all in the northeastern United States. Today, Ireland has just half the population it did in the early 1840s. There are now more Irish Americans than there are Irish nationals.

In the decade from 1845 to 1855, more than a million Germans fled to the United States to escape economic hardship. They also sought to escape the political unrest caused by riots, rebellion and eventually a revolution in 1848. The Germans had little choice — few other places besides the United States allowed German immigration. Unlike the Irish, many Germans had enough money to journey to the Midwest in search of farmland and work. The largest settlements of Germans were in New York City, Baltimore, Cincinnati, St. Louis and Milwaukee.

With the vast numbers of German and Irish coming to America, hostility to them erupted. Part of the reason for the opposition was religious. All of the Irish and many of the Germans were Roman Catholic. Part of the opposition was political. Most immigrants living in cities became Democrats because the party focused on the needs of commoners. Part of the opposition occurred because Americans in low-paying jobs were threatened and sometimes replaced by groups willing to work for almost nothing in order to survive. Signs that read NINA — "No Irish Need Apply" — sprang up throughout the country.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_Nothing

The Native American Party, renamed the American Party in 1855 and commonly known as the Know Nothing movement, was an American political party that operated nationally in the mid-1850s.

The movement arose in response to an influx of migrants and promised to "purify" American politics by limiting or ending the influence of Irish Catholics and other immigrants, thus reflecting nativist and anti-Catholic sentiment. It was empowered by popular fears that the country was being overwhelmed by German and Irish Catholic immigrants, whom they saw as hostile to republican values and as being controlled by the Pope. Mainly active from 1854 to 1856, the movement strove to curb immigration and naturalization but met with little success. Membership was limited to Protestant men.

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Cultural assimilation will happen; the Muslims will gradually adjust to living in their new lands, and the Europeans will gradually get over their racism. Homogeneity takes some time, but it's a natural process, one that has occurred countless times before, all over the globe. The particular example I quoted above is particularly poignant.

On another note, it was interesting to see so much Islamophobia in the PS&P forum.

fireworks_god said:

qman said:

The refugees are also going to face the same problem, they have nothing in common with the native populations, they have different values, culture, religion, heritage, and genetics.

All the major leaders of the EU have already admitted the "cultural diversity" within the EU has been a massive failure. What more evidence do you want to see?

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at the shortsightedness.

Quote:

http://www.ushistory.org/us/25f.asp

In Ireland almost half of the population lived on farms that produced little income. Because of their poverty, most Irish people depended on potatoes for food. When this crop failed three years in succession, it led to a great famine with horrendous consequences. Over 750,000 people starved to death. Over two million Irish eventually moved to the United States seeking relief from their desolated country. Impoverished, the Irish could not buy property. Instead, they congregated in the cities where they landed, almost all in the northeastern United States. Today, Ireland has just half the population it did in the early 1840s. There are now more Irish Americans than there are Irish nationals.

In the decade from 1845 to 1855, more than a million Germans fled to the United States to escape economic hardship. They also sought to escape the political unrest caused by riots, rebellion and eventually a revolution in 1848. The Germans had little choice — few other places besides the United States allowed German immigration. Unlike the Irish, many Germans had enough money to journey to the Midwest in search of farmland and work. The largest settlements of Germans were in New York City, Baltimore, Cincinnati, St. Louis and Milwaukee.

With the vast numbers of German and Irish coming to America, hostility to them erupted. Part of the reason for the opposition was religious. All of the Irish and many of the Germans were Roman Catholic. Part of the opposition was political. Most immigrants living in cities became Democrats because the party focused on the needs of commoners. Part of the opposition occurred because Americans in low-paying jobs were threatened and sometimes replaced by groups willing to work for almost nothing in order to survive. Signs that read NINA — "No Irish Need Apply" — sprang up throughout the country.

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Quote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_Nothing

The Native American Party, renamed the American Party in 1855 and commonly known as the Know Nothing movement, was an American political party that operated nationally in the mid-1850s.

The movement arose in response to an influx of migrants and promised to "purify" American politics by limiting or ending the influence of Irish Catholics and other immigrants, thus reflecting nativist and anti-Catholic sentiment. It was empowered by popular fears that the country was being overwhelmed by German and Irish Catholic immigrants, whom they saw as hostile to republican values and as being controlled by the Pope. Mainly active from 1854 to 1856, the movement strove to curb immigration and naturalization but met with little success. Membership was limited to Protestant men.

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Cultural assimilation will happen; the Muslims will gradually adjust to living in their new lands, and the Europeans will gradually get over their racism. Homogeneity takes some time, but it's a natural process, one that has occurred countless times before, all over the globe. The particular example I quoted above is particularly poignant.

On another note, it was interesting to see so much Islamophobia in the PS&P forum.

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qman said:

You're trying to compare Irish/German Catholics that had a common values, culture, genetics, and geographic heritage with the US native population to African/Muslims in the EU, that's apples and oranges.

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Apparently a significant portion of the US native population back then didn't think so.

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Is being Protestant and Catholic really that different?  NO. Is Islam and secular Europe different in the year 2016? Yes, big difference.

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You've only answered the first question as you did because the two groups have already been homogenized, thus making it appear to you that the differences that existed between them aren't major.

Whatever differences exist between "secular" Europe and Islam will gradually be ironed out as well. Once the shock wears off, as they say.

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Cultural assimilation will happen; the Muslims will gradually adjust to living in their new lands, and the Europeans will gradually get over their racism. Homogeneity takes some time, but it's a natural process, one that has occurred countless times before, all over the globe. The particular example I quoted above is particularly poignant.

On another note, it was interesting to see so much Islamophobia in the PS&P forum.

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zzripz said:

it is really interesting to search at Youtube etc eg 'ex Muslims' and see what people brought up in that religion say about it when they get out of it!

It is a mind control, like any cultish belief system. Many children--very young-- have to rock two and fro reciting the Quran, and some get beaten if they don't or don't do it according to the mind-controlled adults specifications! (don't worry, the child below doesn't!)

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I saw something similar in the Vice News documentary, wherein reporters embedded with ISIS inside their Syrian capital of Raqqa. It's sad to see. The Middle East as a whole hasn't had the opportunity to truly uplift into the modern age, and it'll take a good deal of time for that to begin to happen. It's a problem that's been compounded by foreign interference in their affairs, the way in which the elite there are disproportionately capable of benefiting from what modern civilization does have to offer (and thus deliberately keeping it that way), and the collective trauma of a long, violent history.

The good news is how many have now migrated into Europe from Syria, Iraq, and even Afghanistan. Their cultural acclimatization (and vice versa) will reverberate back to that region with positive changes.

fireworks_god said:

qman said:

You're trying to compare Irish/German Catholics that had a common values, culture, genetics, and geographic heritage with the US native population to African/Muslims in the EU, that's apples and oranges.

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Apparently a significant portion of the US native population back then didn't think so.

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Is being Protestant and Catholic really that different?  NO. Is Islam and secular Europe different in the year 2016? Yes, big difference.

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You've only answered the first question as you did because the two groups have already been homogenized, thus making it appear to you that the differences that existed between them aren't major.

Whatever differences exist between "secular" Europe and Islam will gradually be ironed out as well. Once the shock wears off, as they say.

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As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens.

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Canada — Muslim 1.9%

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Hippocampus said:

Speaking of which, I bet you guys would be the types to listen to Hitler in 1930's Germany and be some of the first to sign up for the SS.  Jump on that Islam hating bandwagon!

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Hippocampus said:

That website is total BS.  It's making tons of errors in reasoning.  One is equating islam with islamization.  Another is assuming that a correlated (according to the website) higher rate of muslims to higher rates of culture clashes is some single causative factor (more muslims) when it almost certainly couldn't be that simple.  Another is demonizing the religion using language to make normal activities sound nefarious:  "recruiting" from prisons and street gangs... isn't that what all the major religions do?  Try to convert at risk people to see if the power of god can turn their lives around?  Or that they have enough numbers to demand (supply and demand) halal?  Nobody acts like Kosher is some anti-assimilation into culture by jews.. well maybe anti-semite literature.  Speaking of which, I bet you guys would be the types to listen to Hitler in 1930's Germany and be some of the first to sign up for the SS.  Jump on that Islam hating bandwagon!

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qman said:

I think that's wishful thinking, Muslims have been in the EU for 3-4 generations now and there's still no real assimilation into European culture by a very large percentage of the Muslim population.

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viktor said:

I love this idea that, because a bunch of Northern European white people assimilated into an almost empty country of mostly Northern European white people 200 years ago, millions of Muslims can do the same thing in modern Europe, just as simple as that.

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It's a cool idea, isn't it? Just like so many people now, many people then only saw the differences. Assimilation happened anyway. It's easy for you to say the differences between those groups from then are meaningless compared to the differences between these groups now, but those people then certainly didn't feel the same way.

blankk said:

So they aren't going to keep trying to turn Western civilization into a more primitive one? All the no-go zones are just going to one day disappear? All the radical Islamic leaders are going to suddenly disappear and stop teaching their youth about their goals of world conquest? Get off the magic carpet ride, it's not working, can't you see it? Even some of the world leaders are admitting it.

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Yep, things will smooth out with time. Life goes on.