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Re: Islam, religion of peace? [Re: ]
    #1421945 - 04/01/03 06:44 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Islam is Islam the world over. There is no interpretation. It is what it is.

The guys who flew into the trade center, are the same as the guy talking to you on the internet. Islam or else.

Everything Islam hates about non muslims, Islam practices. They are hypocrites if they state otherwise.

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Re: Islam, religion of peace? [Re: friartuck]
    #1421953 - 04/01/03 06:49 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Im a muslim too. Im only 16 years old and my family has been muslim for generations... Im happy there are other well informerd muslims on this site that can explain what those passages mean, because honestly ive always heard u have to interpret them but really didnt know exactly what they meant either.

Bottom line, Maaad props to Zahid for speding the time explaining the religion to others instead of argueing.

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Re: Islam, religion of peace? [Re: friartuck]
    #1421959 - 04/01/03 06:52 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Teonan, things get lost in translations. Languages are very different, and trying to express the same thought in one language can be difficult in another language, even if the person doing the translating is fluent in both. Plus, the system of translating is human and therefore flawed. Bias, personal opinion, and interperetation WILL get in the way. As can be seen through two different translations.

I am curious Zahid, do you speak any Arabic?


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Re: Islam, religion of peace? [Re: friartuck]
    #1421964 - 04/01/03 06:55 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

>This will probably be alot more interesting than debating with a fundamentalist Christian; who will often remain intentionally ignorant

Remaining intentionally ignorant, I understand that phrase very well.


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Re: Islam, religion of peace? [Re: MAIA]
    #1421966 - 04/01/03 06:56 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Like I said Hypocrites.

Using puppets. shakes head.

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Re: Islam, religion of peace? [Re: ]
    #1421976 - 04/01/03 07:06 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Okay, teonan.... spit out why you're ego is so involved from the very first appearance on this thread. I wanna hear bad experiences, a sad story or any type of emotional bias for that matter...


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Re: Islam, religion of peace? [Re: David_Scape]
    #1422026 - 04/01/03 11:42 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Looks like "intentional ignorance" to me.


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Re: Islam, religion of peace? [Re: ]
    #1422193 - 04/02/03 01:40 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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The guys who flew into the trade center, are the same as the guy talking to you on the internet. Islam or else.



So are the Christians on this board the same as the people who bomb abortion clinics or klansmen who lynch black people? It just seems stupid to judge a religion based solely on the worst of its adherents.


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Re: Islam, religion of peace? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1422713 - 04/02/03 09:14 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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It just seems stupid to judge a religion based solely on the worst of its adherents.



Is it stupid to judge a religion on quotes from it's founder, from the words of it's 'sacred' text?


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Re: Islam, religion of peace? [Re: Evolving]
    #1422843 - 04/02/03 10:12 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

When they are taking out of context and partially misinterperated, yes.



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Re: Islam, religion of peace? [Re: Evolving]
    #1422925 - 04/02/03 10:55 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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It just seems stupid to judge a religion based solely on the worst of its adherents.



Is it stupid to judge a religion on quotes from it's founder, from the words of it's 'sacred' text?



No, but as far as I know, there's nothing in the Koran telling people to fly planes into the World Trade Center.


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Re: Islam, religion of peace? [Re: friartuck]
    #1423081 - 04/02/03 12:23 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

it's when that person finds the roots of eternal love, and when all there's left to do on earth is to live, and wait.

it seems thats what organized religion is very content doing. waiting to leave this hellish world so they can live in the afterlife. what about the world we live in now? why don't we make this world as great as we can imagine it? to me that would be the ultimate word of god.

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Re: Islam, religion of peace? [Re: ]
    #1423107 - 04/02/03 12:34 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

>it seems thats what organized religion is very content doing. waiting to leave this hellish world so they can live in the afterlife. what about the world we live in now? why don't we make this world as great as we can imagine it? to me that would be the ultimate word of god.

First, we need to learn a lesson. There is too much evil in the heart of man. It must be wiped away clean.


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Re: Islam, religion of peace? [Re: friartuck]
    #1423163 - 04/02/03 12:53 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

There is too much evil in the heart of man.

the only evil is on the foundations in which we choose to live not in our hearts.

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Re: Islam, religion of peace? [Re: ]
    #1423190 - 04/02/03 01:01 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

>the only evil is on the foundations in which we choose to live not in our hearts.

I stand corrected.


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Re: Islam, religion of peace? [Re: MAIA]
    #1423830 - 04/02/03 05:04 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Second, Zahid, puppets (SlapnutRob,Turbulence) are not alowed. Your practical error was the use of a similar footer, post counting and reg date. You have a good argument and i believe that, just as the bible was, the koran interpretation can be manipulated by man, just don't spoil it.

Puppets? lol... you're a moderator, go check the IPs next time before you emberass the both of us again. Your practical error was jumping the gun. *Tsk*

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Evolving:
I just explained the proper interpretation of the listed verses; if you still see it otherwise, that makes you a bigot.


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Re: Islam, religion of peace? [Re: Zahid]
    #1423838 - 04/02/03 05:07 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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I just explained the proper interpretation of the listed verses; if you still see it otherwise, that makes you a bigot.



Ah--exclusion of the middle. I haven't seen that argument fallacy in quite a while.


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Re: Islam, religion of peace? [Re: Zahid]
    #1424194 - 04/02/03 07:28 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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Evolving:
I just explained the proper interpretation of the listed verses; if you still see it otherwise, that makes you a bigot.



Your interpretations (or are they rationalizations?) still do not make it out to be a religion of peace. How does this make me a bigot?


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Re: Islam, religion of peace? [Re: Evolving]
    #1424214 - 04/02/03 07:33 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)



Do you seriously believe that the actions carried out by terrorists are the true teachings of Islam?


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Re: Islam, religion of peace? [Re: Zahid]
    #1424358 - 04/02/03 08:32 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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Do you seriously believe that the actions carried out by terrorists are the true teachings of Islam?



The question is, "Islam, religion of peace?" It is apparent even from your interpretations that it is not, it would be a rather big stretch to say that Islam teaches pacificism. But then, true believers in any faith are notoriously prone to the suspension of the faculty of reason.


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