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 Re: Don't fall in the trap of condemning Islam  [Re: viktor]
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that is what they do and want. You know them by their actions. Their whole purpose of creating funding and using 'ISIS' is to divide and control the territories they want to exploit. Same is so for here, wherever that is. IE they want to do it everywhere. DIVIDE & CONTROL
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Re: Don't fall in the trap of condemning Islam [Re: fireworks_god]
#23417162 - 07/06/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think that's wishful thinking, Muslims have been in the EU for 3-4 generations now and there's still no real assimilation into European culture by a very large percentage of the Muslim population.
Source?
"This multicultural approach has failed, utterly failed" Angela Merkel https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/17/angela-merkel-german-multiculturalism-failed
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1355961/Nicolas-Sarkozy-joins-David-Cameron-Angela-Merkel-view-multiculturalism-failed.html
"Nicolas Sarkozy- My answer is clearly yes, it is a failure"
"Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar have also said in recent months that multicultural policies had not successfully integrated immigrants"
So there you go, FOUR major leaders of the EU going on public record stating that "cultural diversity" (Muslims/African's) in the EU is a massive failure.
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Re: Don't fall in the trap of condemning Islam [Re: qman]
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Re: Don't fall in the trap of condemning Islam [Re: qman]
#23422539 - 07/08/16 06:52 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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"This multicultural approach has failed, utterly failed" Angela Merkel https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/17/angela-merkel-german-multiculturalism-failed
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1355961/Nicolas-Sarkozy-joins-David-Cameron-Angela-Merkel-view-multiculturalism-failed.html
"Nicolas Sarkozy- My answer is clearly yes, it is a failure"
"Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar have also said in recent months that multicultural policies had not successfully integrated immigrants"
So there you go, FOUR major leaders of the EU going on public record stating that "cultural diversity" (Muslims/African's) in the EU is a massive failure.
The recent statements of politicians who are trying to save their own political skin due to the rising tide of racists in their respective countries isn't a source for your claim that Muslim families who've been in Europe for over three generations have not really assimilated into Europe. 
Multiculturalism failed? Because one of the cultures doesn't think the other culture adopted enough of its own culture? 
My response to these people is cry me a fucking river. Yes, cry me a fucking river. "Oh no, I'm upset because people now live nearby me and they are *gasp* different!"
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Re: Don't fall in the trap of condemning Islam [Re: fireworks_god]
#23423343 - 07/08/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Switzerland tells Muslims: “If you reject our culture, we will reject your application for citizenship
http://dcwatchdog.org/switzerland-tells-muslims-if-you-reject-our-culture-we-will-reject-your-application-for-citizenship/
 That's how it's done
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Re: Don't fall in the trap of condemning Islam [Re: Hobozen]
#23427225 - 07/09/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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the Swiss ani't no dummies
good: cheese, watches, clocks, chocolate, skiing ...
bunch of desert nomads in the alps better learn to adapt
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Re: Don't fall in the trap of condemning Islam [Re: laughingdog]
#23428441 - 07/10/16 05:45 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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there was some vote is Switzerland recently which was about allowing everyone who have a living wage. I am gonna try and find out what happened
this is actually a possibility, but because of the insane shts running this world they do not allow it. They are enslavers, and mindcontrollers, warmongerers and ecocidal. A VERY evil mindSET
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Re: Don't fall in the trap of condemning Islam [Re: fireworks_god]
#23432420 - 07/11/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said:
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qman said:
"This multicultural approach has failed, utterly failed" Angela Merkel https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/17/angela-merkel-german-multiculturalism-failed
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1355961/Nicolas-Sarkozy-joins-David-Cameron-Angela-Merkel-view-multiculturalism-failed.html
"Nicolas Sarkozy- My answer is clearly yes, it is a failure"
"Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar have also said in recent months that multicultural policies had not successfully integrated immigrants"
So there you go, FOUR major leaders of the EU going on public record stating that "cultural diversity" (Muslims/African's) in the EU is a massive failure.
The recent statements of politicians who are trying to save their own political skin due to the rising tide of racists in their respective countries isn't a source for your claim that Muslim families who've been in Europe for over three generations have not really assimilated into Europe.
Multiculturalism failed? Because one of the cultures doesn't think the other culture adopted enough of its own culture?
My response to these people is cry me a fucking river. Yes, cry me a fucking river. "Oh no, I'm upset because people now live nearby me and they are *gasp* different!"
No, multiculturalism (Muslims/African's in the EU) failed because of many different reasons, the main one is economic in nature. The EU is a socialist model, that means it offers social safety nets for the populations, when more people are not self-sufficient they become massive financial burdens on the government, that hurts the productive people in that economy.
The EU has been struggling economically for 15 years for a variety of reasons, there's high unemployment, there's underemployment, when the economy can't even take care of it's own citizens, why would these countries want people from third world nations?
The next problem is criminality, this "cultural diversity" experiment has failed because of the massive disproportional amount of crime that comes with these outsiders, immigration is suppose to enhance economic and social prosperity, not destroy it.
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Re: Don't fall in the trap of condemning Islam [Re: Hobozen]
#23434219 - 07/12/16 07:22 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Switzerland tells Muslims: “If you reject our culture, we will reject your application for citizenship
http://dcwatchdog.org/switzerland-tells-muslims-if-you-reject-our-culture-we-will-reject-your-application-for-citizenship/
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Authorities have rejected the naturalization application of two Muslim girls who refused to take required swimming lessons at school because boys would be present in the pool.
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Members of an immigrant family in the Basel area were denied citizenship because they wore sweatpants around town and did not greet passersby — a sure sign that they were not sufficiently assimilated, the naturalization board claimed.
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Another recent case sparked widespread outrage in Switzerland when two Muslim brothers refused to shake hands with their female teacher, also citing religious restrictions.
Proof that it isn't about culture. Who gives a fuck if someone shakes someone else's hand? Who gives a flying fuck if someone wears sweatpants and doesn't say hello to strangers? Oh no, a girl doesn't want to swim at school because they're culturally-conditioned that it is wrong? Fuck you, you can't live here! 
It's racism, and the racists aren't even trying to pretend that it isn't.
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Re: Don't fall in the trap of condemning Islam [Re: laughingdog]
#23434222 - 07/12/16 07:23 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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bunch of desert nomads in the alps better learn to adapt
Desert nomads? Your ignorance is showing.  when you thought you knew what others better do. 
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Re: Don't fall in the trap of condemning Islam [Re: zzripz]
#23434224 - 07/12/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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there was some vote is Switzerland recently which was about allowing everyone who have a living wage. I am gonna try and find out what happened
It was rejected by 70% or so. It's something that will be popping up more and more, though.
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Re: Don't fall in the trap of condemning Islam [Re: qman]
#23434240 - 07/12/16 07:35 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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No, multiculturalism (Muslims/African's in the EU) failed because of many different reasons...
A list of challenges that Europe is facing doesn't demonstrate that multiculturalism failed.
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Re: Don't fall in the trap of condemning Islam [Re: fireworks_god]
#23434359 - 07/12/16 08:43 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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there was some vote is Switzerland recently which was about allowing everyone who have a living wage. I am gonna try and find out what happened
It was rejected by 70% or so. It's something that will be popping up more and more, though.
so is that right. Hmmm so you see, we are often told that there is a very small percent which are the cause of the unimaginable greed etc etc, the '1 percent'. YET here we have SEVENTY PERCENT of people voting against allowing people rightful money to live!!!?
so what does this mean then?
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Re: Don't fall in the trap of condemning Islam [Re: fireworks_god]
#23435358 - 07/12/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Switzerland tells Muslims: “If you reject our culture, we will reject your application for citizenship
http://dcwatchdog.org/switzerland-tells-muslims-if-you-reject-our-culture-we-will-reject-your-application-for-citizenship/
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Authorities have rejected the naturalization application of two Muslim girls who refused to take required swimming lessons at school because boys would be present in the pool.
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Members of an immigrant family in the Basel area were denied citizenship because they wore sweatpants around town and did not greet passersby — a sure sign that they were not sufficiently assimilated, the naturalization board claimed.
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Another recent case sparked widespread outrage in Switzerland when two Muslim brothers refused to shake hands with their female teacher, also citing religious restrictions.
Proof that it isn't about culture. Who gives a fuck if someone shakes someone else's hand? Who gives a flying fuck if someone wears sweatpants and doesn't say hello to strangers? Oh no, a girl doesn't want to swim at school because they're culturally-conditioned that it is wrong? Fuck you, you can't live here!
It's racism, and the racists aren't even trying to pretend that it isn't.
Where exactly is the racism? I don't understand how you arrived at that conclusion.
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Re: Don't fall in the trap of condemning Islam [Re: fireworks_god]
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No, multiculturalism (Muslims/African's in the EU) failed because of many different reasons...
A list of challenges that Europe is facing doesn't demonstrate that multiculturalism failed.
Why take on unwanted "challenges"? There is no obligation to have an open door policy for the third world, there are no unlimited resources inside of the EU, destroying an economy and society in the pursuit of "multiculturalism" is beyond irrational.
The only time the US or EU should allow LEGAL immigration is when there's a shortage of labor, neither place has that problem today.
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Re: Don't fall in the trap of condemning Islam [Re: qman]
#23438049 - 07/13/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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FRANCE is on the verge of civil war that could be sparked by the mass sexual assault of women by migrants, according to the country's head of intelligence.
Patrick Calvar, chief of the Directorate General of Internal Security, told members of the French parliamentary commission: "We are on the brink of civil war."
He said that the situation in France is on such a knife edge that it could just take one more major Islamist terror attack to lead to a huge right-wing backlash.
Speaking to the leading French newspaper, Le Figaro, Mr Calvar said: "This confrontation I think it will take place.
"Even another one or two attacks and it will happen. It therefore behooves us to anticipate and block all these groups."
confrontation between the far right and Muslims poses more of a threat than terrorism.
He said: "There will be a confrontation between the far right and the Muslim world."
At one point, Mr Calvar said: "Europe is in great danger, extremism is growing everywhere."
The fears are that the country could suffer an attack similar to the one that happened in Germany on New Year's Eve where a staggering 1,200 women were sexually abused in German cities, particularly in Cologne.
Many of the suspect perpetrators were migrants of North African origin.
The attacks fuelled anger in Germany, which came just months after Chancellor Angela Merkel opened the borders to more than a million migrants and refugees from the Middle East and North Africa.
Mr Calvar's comments have come as the former MI6 boss Richard Dearlove also said that Europe faced a "populist uprising" if Governments do not take control of the migrant crisis.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/688821/Patrick-Calvar-intelligence-chief-warns-France-on-brink-of-civil-war-migrant-sex-attacks.
The racist right wingers are rising up, god save us!
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Re: Don't fall in the trap of condemning Islam [Re: Hobozen]
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There are literally thousands of underage girls right across Britain who are being subjected to the most evil sexual attacks and even when - WHEN a handful of racist paedophiles are brought to court they are NEVER charged with 'race' or 'hate' crimes and what is more hateful and racist than selecting an underage girl for being white and British, grooming her and brutalising her and selling her as a sex slave - AND IT IS STILL GOING ON RIGHT NOW right across Britain for these men and their families don't think they are doing anything wrong and cry racist on the court steps.
We've become a sewer.
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Re: Don't fall in the trap of condemning Islam [Re: Hobozen]
#23438132 - 07/13/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wake up! This is E X A C T L Y what they want. Divide and control. They want to implement here in the West what they been up to in other places, especially 'lately' the Middle East. And that is use their proxy brigade barbarians, al Qaeda > ISIS to create all kinds of chaos and division to provoke civil war and give them the excuse to invade. Obviously with the results of their evil, the floods of migrants into Europe and the demonizing of black protesters as terrorists this is the planned-for stage/theatre they plan to create division between all these groups. How easy it will be to psy op attaks on women, cop killing. Divide and Control... they DOIN' it!
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Re: Don't fall in the trap of condemning Islam [Re: Hobozen]
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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/12/foreign-men-rape-girls-multicultural-festival/
"A Swedish music festival specially focusing on themes like 'the fight against racism' multiculturalism, and combating sexual harassment has been rocked by multiple reports of sexual assault and rape"
Oh, the irony.
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Re: Don't fall in the trap of condemning Islam [Re: zzripz]
#23438188 - 07/13/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wake up!
Preaching to the choir. If you were awake, you'd have seen my posts talking about
something very similar to what you are.
However, I think your perspective is based too much on conspiracy theories. It also
seems to be defeatist, because even if there was a legitimate opposition to the
establishment, like say the new right movement, you would assume that that too
is part of the conspiracy, and distance yourself into a quiet, empty corner. Isn't that
what "they" want? Seems you are just as brainwashed as the rest of us.
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