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Is Islam a tolerant religion?
    #814016 - 08/13/02 01:04 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Is Islam a tolerant religion?


NO

Yes


Is Islam a tolerant religion?
Yes
It's no worse than any other religion
It's oppressive and intolerant



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InvisibleIn(di)go
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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: mirrorsaw]
    #814042 - 08/13/02 02:11 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

actually all religions are intolerant from my point of view... religion should be forbidden... it stops the thinking process inside every individual, providing "answers" that are not only wrong most of the time, but take away the love and embeb fear in the hearts of those who take those answers... therefore transforming them into slaves... everyone should be able to find out his own truth about god... and not simply rund around blinded accepting someone else's take on everything...


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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: In(di)go]
    #814801 - 08/13/02 09:55 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I very much agree with what you said. The religious authority promotes only its own version of reality to the masses in order to give them a false sense comfort and security. People need to forge their own path and not take the road map given to them by a religious authority.

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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: chodamunky]
    #814808 - 08/13/02 09:58 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Good words

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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: chodamunky]
    #814866 - 08/13/02 10:24 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

The religious authority promotes only its own version of reality to the masses

Sometimes yes, but this is a crude generalization imo.

in order to give them a false sense of comfort and security

I don't believe people would dedicate their lives to a religious cause, just to delude other people or give them a false sense of comfort.

People need to forge their own path and not take the road map given to them by a religious authority

perhaps for some people it is better that they are not a part of organized religion. With others, maybe they could get lost along the way without it?

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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: mirrorsaw]
    #815120 - 08/13/02 12:37 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

None of the faiths of Abraham are tolerant to pagan beliefs because this is a great sin in the eyes of God.

But when you compare the three faiths, Islam is the most tolerant considering it accepts Christianity, and Judaism as valid faiths.


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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: Zahid]
    #815256 - 08/13/02 01:44 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Of the three Abrahamic faiths, Islam is the only one which demands death as the penalty for apostasy.

That could becalled tolerance, I suppose -- ZERO tolerance.

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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: Phred]
    #815327 - 08/13/02 02:11 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

It's also one of the only religions to strongly encourage holy war (Jihad) against all infidels.

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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: mirrorsaw]
    #815660 - 08/13/02 04:36 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Karen Armstrong tells us in her book The History of God that in the early days of Islam the three (Christians, Jews, Islan) all had the same God and different prophets. In the begining they were the most tolerant out of the three.This is why you hear experts on the Islamic religion saying that the form of Islkan taught today is not true Islam but a perverted version. The prophet Mohamed taught tolerance and respect for life.


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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #815738 - 08/13/02 05:13 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

BOBs, Islam does not teach its followers to wage war on infidels. Islam does teach, that it is permissible to fight against those who fight you. If a foreign army invaded your land, you would fight back.


mntlfngrs wrote,

Karen Armstrong tells us in her book The History of God that in the early days of Islam the three (Christians, Jews, Islan) all had the same God and different prophets. In the begining they were the most tolerant out of the three.This is why you hear experts on the Islamic religion saying that the form of Islkan taught today is not true Islam but a perverted version. The prophet Mohamed taught tolerance and respect for life.


"Experts on the Islamic religion"? Some kufr who studies the religion briefly? I'm sorry, but are you implying Karen Armstrong and these "experts" know more about Islam than people who have been followers of the faith all their lives, have memorized the entire Qur'an and and nearly all of the authentic hadiths? Give me a source, an essay or something by one of these "Islam experts". You're clearly talking out of your ass.

Yes, Muhammad taught tolerance and respect for life, and nearly all Muslims practice this as well (except those of the fundamentalist brand). You can label all you want, the only Muslims you know of by name or face are the ones who kill innocent people in the name of Islam. You don't know anything about the people in this culture that consists of 20% of the world's population


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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: Zahid]
    #815783 - 08/13/02 05:32 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Try the source I gave you. Karen Armstrong is verymuch an expert on many religions. Read her book! What do you know of Islam? Sure some of the other experts I was talking about are talking heads on the TV (I'm sure you have seen the ones if you follow the news) but are you claiming to know more than them? Do you think that the money/government controlled media put them up to saying that? Of course not because that is not what they wanted. The power=s that be wanted war and fostering an understanding that truie Islam doesn't exactly work tward that end. You said it yourself. Muhammad taught tolerance and respect for life, and nearly all Muslims practice this as well (except those of the fundamentalist brand). . And the same goes for all the religions untill fundamentalist get ahold of it.

My point is that true ISLAM is tolerant, whats yours?
What Muslims do you know? What are they like?
And the followers? The majority are following someone who tells them how to interperate the Qur'an. So it is not the followers who are realy to blame. Government corrupt ISLAM for the purpose of power.

Read the book then tell me that Karen Armstrom doesn't know what she is talking about.


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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: Zahid]
    #816526 - 08/14/02 01:17 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

None of the faiths of Abraham are tolerant to pagan beliefs because this is a great sin in the eyes of God. But when you compare the three faiths, Islam is the most tolerant considering it accepts Christianity, and Judaism as valid faiths.

Didn't mohammed also accept sabianism and Zoroastrianism were 'true' religions?

What about Hinduism?

There is a pantheon of Gods, but it was the worlds first monothestic religion. You can hardly describe them as pagans.

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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: Phred]
    #816666 - 08/14/02 03:52 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

pinky I think you are fast becoming a great member of this little group.

Of the three Abrahamic faiths, Islam is the only one which demands death as the penalty for apostasy.

Thats what I call a shoot. Shoot being a slang term for "telling it like it is." Here is another shoot.

I agree with Lozt Souls. Most specific religions are intolerant of other religions. you only have to watch the news for 10 minutes to see that. The prots and caths in Ireland, Israel and Pakistan, Afganistan, all are based on religious persecution of one group by another group. "You don't believe in my god so I will kill you." It is all religious bullshit. And I have only spoken with 1 muslem in my life and he isn't doing the rest of that religion any favors. And don't give me that shit about defending your country when it is invaded. We gave the ghani's their weapoons and training to fight the russians. Then they fly planes into buildings, killing innocent commuters just to make a statement about our country. That is not defense. that is a crusade. Crusades are the by-product of strict intolerant religions.

And before zaph gets his panties in a bunch, I am not leaving out the christian religion who massacred any who didn't believe. From the moorish crusades to the decimation and subjugation of the natives of this continent. Religion and man's insistance that his and only his religion is correct is the cause of all these deaths. I am positive there are many many more examples but I'm to pissed off to write anymore. Fuck organized religion, follow your heart and quit killing other people because they worship this book instead of that book. FUCK!!!!!!



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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: postalboy]
    #816714 - 08/14/02 04:12 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

In reply to:

I am positive there are many many more examples but I'm to pissed off to write anymore. Fuck organized religion, follow your heart and quit killing other people because they worship this book instead of that book. FUCK!!!!!!



Sounds like someone's getting ready to go postal.
(sorry, couldn't help myself...and lame as it may be, if I didn't say it someone else would have)


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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: mirrorsaw]
    #818054 - 08/15/02 12:22 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I don't believe people would dedicate their lives to a religious cause, just to delude other people or give them a false sense of comfort.

1) That is very naive of you to say. People want/need religious comfort and security and will believe what the authority says. Haven't you ever seen those shows where the hyper religious dude is healing people infront of a large crowd and doing all his preaching? He dedicated his life to deluding people and giving them false hopes of healing and comfort while making money off them.
2) The deluded become the deluders.

perhaps for some people it is better that they are not a part of organized religion. With others, maybe they could get lost along the way without it?

How would people be lost without guidance of organized religion?

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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: postalboy]
    #818913 - 08/15/02 09:08 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

i don't think the people flying those planes were afghans, osama bin laden is from saudi arabia and he was trained by the CIA, apparently. afghanistan is a dirt poor country that couldn't afford to train a sophisticated terrorist organisation....

Islam does not demand death for anything any more than christianity demands the sacrifice of goats. there is a whole section of the old testament on dealing with slaves.

religion is not the cause of all these wars and deaths. human selfishness, greed, anger, pride, jealousy....IGNORANCE, is the cause. the same emotions behind all the war and violence and shit going on everywhere can be read in many of the posts in this forum, or in little arguments among friends, family, strangers....

what are we going to do about it? throw our hands up and say fuck organised religion? fuck the government? fuck the police? no nukes one love? fuck abortion? aren't all of these problems just the superficial signs of the deeper problems within each of us?

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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: chodamunky]
    #819264 - 08/16/02 02:44 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Haven't you ever seen those shows where the hyper religious dude is healing people infront of a large crowd and doing all his preaching? He dedicated his life to deluding people and giving them false hopes of healing and comfort while making money off them

There was some ambiguity in my sentence, when I said that I didn't believe people would dedicate their lives to a religious cause just to delude others, I was thinking of people whose motivation was religious, there could of course be some people whose motivation is fraud.

I am aware that that goes on, but you are talking about a very small number of people as compared to the millions who support organized religion's worldwide.

There is a question of whether or not those kinds of "healers" are in any way spiritually motivated. It could be that they are only interested in making money for themselves. I can't rule out the possibility that some may genuinely believe that their cause is for the good of God. Whatever their motivation, their theatrical form of spiritual healing can certainly cause suffering by giving people false hope of a cure.

Most rabbi's, priest's and Buddhist monks etc. are very far from being rich and I don't think they try and delude others or give them a false sense of comfort.

It's not clear if your suggesting that they deliberately try and delude others, or if your saying they unintentionally spread their own delusion. If your saying it's unintentional then it comes down to what beliefs you consider to be right and wrong.

People want/need religious comfort and security and will believe what the authority says

I believe that people (or most people) are inherently spiritual. It is another thing to say that they will unquestioningly believe what a clerical authority tells them. You have half a dozen major world religions and God knows how many sects and cults to choose from. Rather than having authority dictate and spoon feed "truth" to the people, in the world today you are almost spoilt for choice.

Also, clerics will tell you what are the orthodox beliefs of any given religion, but if you happen to disagree with some of them it's not a problem unless you make it a problem. You may not believe that the faith you belong to is perfect, you may not believe every doctrine that it has, but you may still be able to benefit yourself and others by being a part of it.

In practice, strict adherence to doctrine is not normally forced on people. It would be very difficult even if you wanted to. There are probably a fair few Catholics who don't actually believe in the literal meaning of the virgin birth, I don't know of any attempts to expose them and force them out.

How would people be lost without guidance of organized religion?

I believe that people can benefit from being part of a religious community. I would never say it was necessary, just that it does help many people.

It may be that you believe that such people are unable to think for themselves, and are being deluded and exploited as a result. If you think that then fair enough. But as I said, I believe that to be a generalization that for the most part isn't true.



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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: mirrorsaw]
    #820031 - 08/16/02 08:42 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

What's so great about tolerance?

I have many things that I do not tolerate.

Rude people.

Ignorant People.

Lazy people.

Abusive people.

Cars that ride my butt when I am driving.

People that come into my house without my permission.

People that are so PC aware they are no good for themselves or others.

Et cetera et cetera, and of course et cetera.

I see intolerance as a virtue, not a vice.

Cheers,

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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: ]
    #820412 - 08/16/02 10:22 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I like your response Mr Mushrooms

Edited by Evolving (08/16/02 10:23 AM)

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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: Traveller]
    #820984 - 08/16/02 12:57 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Traveller writes:

Islam does not demand death for anything...

Except apostasy.

religion is not the cause of all these wars and deaths.

Not ALL, no. But organized religion has been responsible for countless wars and deaths. Not all, to be sure -- nationalism, tribalism, and plain old powerlust are responsible for nearly all the remaining wars.

...IGNORANCE, is the cause.

Rarely. In almost every case of war for conquest, the initiators knew exactly what they were doing, and why they were doing it.

what are we going to do about it? throw our hands up and say fuck organised religion?

It would be a good start, yes.

aren't all of these problems just the superficial signs of the deeper problems within each of us?

Speak for yourself. I have never initiated violence against another individual (except possibly when I was an infant), and I doubt I ever will.

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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: ]
    #821150 - 08/16/02 01:42 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I thought we'd see eye to eye on this.

Cheers,

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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: Phred]
    #822656 - 08/17/02 01:57 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

hey man sorry i seemed to be refuting everything you wrote originally....i'll try to say what i was thinking a bit more clearly.

i haven't read the koran or ever even seen a copy, nor have i read the bible, but many of the bits of the bible i have read are really shocking. stuff about keeping slaves, the wrath of god striking down the infidels, sacrificing goats (all old testament) and on and on, then revelations - definately my favourite part of the bible so far - which seems to be the mad visions of a mystic.

but i think that the so-called holy scriptures and the state of the organized religions themselves should not be confused with original teachings of the various saints prophets or enlightened folks that started it all. i agree that organised religions are generally pretty lame and often very dangerous in the way they group people, always "us" and "them".

in the case of the theravada buddhist traditions in places like sri lanka, burma and thailand, the organisation of the monks order has been dedicated to keeping the original teachings of siddhartha gautama, the "buddha", alive and unchanged, since they were first written down more than 2000 years ago. these teachings are still perfectly relevant today and they detail a very clear path to follow to attain the various mindstates on the road to enlightenment - liberation from the percieved duality of human existence (happiness sadness love hate desire aversion...). I for one am grateful to these many people who have dedicated their lives to this path and to passing these teachings on. without the organisation it would not have been possible. the catholic church i'm not so fond of and i think they have perverted the teachings of jesus to their own ends...

which brings me back to what i said earlier that religion is not the cause of war. you mentioned powerlust, and i really think that powerlust under a veil of religious fervour is the real killer. the crusades were a bullshit excuse to go to war, just as islam had nothing to do with that shit at the world trade center. you say the people behind these things new what they were doing and why, and i agree, but i still say that ignorance - ignorance of the true nature of one's own existence - was and is the underlying factor behind all acts of hatred and selfishness.

have you never shouted at your mother? has she never screamed at you? haven't you ever insulted another person, deliberately or not? haven't you ever been hurt by another persons words? have you never wanted something, however small, that wasn't yours? aren't these the same emotions that are behind every human conflict? sure they can be magnified many times when people are pulled together in larger and larger groups, when some few people join people together and tell them they are right! they are special! their anger is justified! those OTHERs are the CAUSE of their problems!

i do not believe the others can be blamed. i do imagine a world with no religion, no more us and them, a universal search for truth and peace....but i think the way to this is through each of us working to purify our own minds.

and now that i've pulled some profound wise truth-as-i-see-it out of my ass i'm going downstairs to watch telly.


FUCK ORGANISED RELIGION!

PEACE! LOVE! FUCK YOU CHURCH GOING TURBAN WEARING DUMBSHITS ME AND MY MATES WANT PEACE AND LOVE!

can't you see what's wrong with this?

trainspotting!

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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: Traveller]
    #822956 - 08/17/02 06:22 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

what are we going to do about it? throw our hands up and say fuck organised religion? fuck the government? fuck the police?

as pinky said. This would be a good start. And I didn't say ALL wars are based on religious differences. I mentioned the ones that are. This isn't the political forum and I didn't want to start my anarchist chant here. I would post that in the other forum. This post was about intolerant religions. So I mentioned religious intolerance. And to clarify I never said Peace love. I believe that we need killing. Things die and are killed. It is the law of the jungle. But at least some killing isn't necessary. Nazis, Taliban, and the massacre of natives to take their land because you own land is intolerant.

Think about that. America was founded on the premise that since our countries don't tolerant our religion we will move across the ocean and kill and enslave whoever is there so WE can have our religious freedom. Their religious freedom is not as important as OUR religious freedom.

FUCK THAT!!!!!! I wish the Natives would have fucking killed all those english, dutch, spaniard bastards. But they had guns and religion so they won. And the world has went downhill ever since. And yes I am part Crow. Not enough to matter to the gubment but I identify more with it than my european ancestry. I am proud of my Native Blood and ashamed of my other. So now you see my violent side. And Yes I know that without this I wouldn't be here talking but a lot of other people aren't here because their ancestors were wiped out in the name of religious freedom.

Damn I'm such a nice guy until people get me going about organized religions.



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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: postalboy]
    #823211 - 08/17/02 08:37 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I wish the Natives would have fucking killed all those english, dutch, spaniard bastards. But they had guns and religion so they won. And the world has went downhill ever since. And yes I am part Crow. Not enough to matter to the gubment but I identify more with it than my european ancestry. I am proud of my Native Blood and ashamed of my other.

Mitakuye Oyasin, Kola

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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: Traveller]
    #823266 - 08/17/02 09:01 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I noticed how often many of you like to generalize everything that has to do with organized faith. Christians, Muslims, and Jews don't represent what their faith is, which is a guidance to something perfect (God). They are simply followers of that faith, if they do evil seperately, or if they do evil in large parties, it still does not represent what their faith truely means. Non-believers have caused more pain and suffering in this world than anything, either directly or indirectly.


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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: Zahid]
    #823708 - 08/17/02 01:28 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

What other faiths were accepted by Mohammed? just Judaism and Christianity?

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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: mirror_saw]
    #823817 - 08/17/02 02:09 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Muhammad (pbuh) mentioned both Christianity and Judaism as being valid faiths, along with two more by name, but I cant remember them off hand. According to Islam, there were thousands among thousands of prophets of God before the time of Muhammad (pbuh) who was the final messenger of God, revealing the true religion that Abraham, Jesus, Moses, and the others practiced. Inshallah.


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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: mirror_saw]
    #823965 - 08/17/02 03:12 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Orthopraxy does not equate to orthodoxy.

Someone's pulling your pbuh.

Cheers,

Edited by Mr_Mushrooms (08/17/02 03:13 PM)

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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: ]
    #824845 - 08/18/02 02:51 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Orthopraxy does not equate to orthodoxy

I agree. I would guess you could find many examples where they certainly don't equate, but you seem to suggest that there is an inevitable conflict between them. My point was that such things are only a problem if you make them a problem.

The orthodox beliefs of a religion can come about in part as an accident of history, in part it is sometimes to do with hierarchy and politics, and in part it is hopefully a symbolic representation of metaphysical truth.

If you concern yourself only with that part that is a symbol of truth, then the rest you can leave for theologians to debate.

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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: mirror_saw]
    #825046 - 08/18/02 06:44 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I was not suggesting that there is an inevitable conflict between the two.

Interesting point that orthopraxy may precede orthodoxy. I do not think this is the case in all orthodoxies. Certain religions hear "voices from on high" and then proceed to follow the instructions of the voice. In those cases orthodoxy precedes orthopraxy.

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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: ]
    #825374 - 08/18/02 10:15 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Certain religions hear "voices from on high" and then proceed to follow the instructions of the voice. In those cases orthodoxy precedes orthopraxy.

I was looking at it from the point of view of the origin of doctrine decided by early theologians, and not the kind that comes from the prophets of old. I think what your saying is that unquestioning adherence to religious authority is the first form of monotheistic religion and way of worship. The Jews emphasis was on keeping the law with a fear of punishment, NOT choosing to do what is right for it's own sake. I would think that's true up to a point.

I'm sure you would say yourself that "voices from on high" is an oversimplification to quickly illustrate the point, I suspect that such prophets did not transcribe the voice in their head. More likely it is revelation in the sense of mystical experience which they pass on to others as written law for guidance. (although having said that, a lot of the Old Testament does look pathological) Without a doubt there can be a tendency for doctrine from whatever source to be set in stone and attributed as the direct word of God, and any questioning of whether it really is the direct word of God is normally frowned upon (at the very least).

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Re: Is Islam a tolerant religion? [Re: mirror_saw]
    #825630 - 08/18/02 12:23 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

All good points.

Yes, I was speaking metaphorically when I said "voices from on High" and making a pun at the same time. Celestial voices from the Heavens and voices one might hear when a person was high.

Dead orthodoxy is the bane of modern religion.

You are quite articulate. It's nice to converse with you.

Cheers,

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