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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! [Re: Swami]
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I think, at least for the room example, the people that believe in this argument would say that your observing the room has now made it definite for everyone else, and the builders who originally built the room- their observing of the process (and belief in the process) has cemented that room into this shared matrix like reality.

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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! [Re: muhurgle]
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Please re-read the forum rules, especially #2...

Edited by trendal (02/11/04 04:20 PM)

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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! [Re: ]
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I think you better go back and read Ped's argument. The first premise doesn't assume God exists.
Next.

this is really stupid. take off your blinders.
it's the SECOND premise that assumes God exists

the first premise:
In order for matter to exist there has to be an apprehending consciousness.

IF THIS PREMISE IS TAKEN TO BE TRUE, the second premise - The universe existed before man - CANNOT be true unless you ASSUME that god exists.
this is simple LOGIC. the argument is recursive and it's internally inconsistent.
-the second premise is predicated on the presupposition that God exists, which is what you're trying to prove in the first place.

the sad thing is, this is the kind of BS is that passes for "philosophical evidence"...

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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! [Re: ]
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Please re-read the forum rules, especially #2...

Edited by trendal (02/11/04 04:21 PM)

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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! [Re: infidelGOD]
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Here's what I think (but feel free to correct me wrong, as always).

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1. In order for matter to exist there has to be an apprehending consciousness.


Agreed. Matter is the "suchness" (Istigkeit) of energy. "Suchness" in this context is the totality of observable qualities - of all characteristics of the energy that can be tasted, felt, smelled, heard or seen. The suchness doesn't exist without the apprehending consciousness.

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2. The universe existed before man.


Energy existed before mankind came around. Even this is an assumtion, because there is no means of verifying this. But the "suchness" of the energy (matter with its observable qualities) didn't exist without doubt, because when we cannot be sure that what we all call "green" isn't observed by one person as "red" and as "blue" by yet another. There are no absolutes in observation.

The universe is the combination of the totality of suchness and the energy itself. Without suchness, "the universe" is reduced from universe to boundless, amorphous blob of energy. As proven before, the suchness of the energy has to be observed in order for matter to exist. Conclusion: "the universe" didn't exist before life came around, because conscious creatures are needed to apprehend the suchness of the energy.
Energy can be there without being apprehended. Simple example: the invisible bio-electric field around our own brains.

This, to me is where the flaw lies: the premise that matter existed before mankind came around. It's a perfectly logical thing to assume, just like we assume we're a seperate entity from the rest of the world.


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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! [Re: Alan Stone]
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Yes, perhaps the universe was created by man.
We limit ourselves (and our minds) into this little entity called earth, and we attribute the unknown, much like our brains, to "outer space."

I have not made much sense of it yet, but it is a key puzzle piece! :eyemouth:


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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! [Re: Swami]
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Swami gots a point, don't you guys think?


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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! [Re: David_Scape]
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Don't know.  Haven't seen it yet.  :devil:


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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! [Re: ]
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Even if god came down and showed itself to the world it still won't change the situtation your soul is in. It might make people ACT nicer, and it might make people ACT eviler, but getting into heaven is still going to be just as hard. So why the big deal about needing proof of god? You're either heaven material or you're not.


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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! [Re: timetravel]
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So why the big deal about needing proof of god?




It comes in handy during tax season.


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