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Did god create us or did we create god?
#1300947 - 02/11/03 08:04 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: enotake2]
#1300960 - 02/11/03 08:11 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Would this be the same question as: does god exist?
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: trendal]
#1300977 - 02/11/03 08:25 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, some thoughts I have about it are: maybe it is both - there is a god but there is only one version and there is a number of wrong versions of god that we created that are correct in some respects but not others. Maybe none of us could ever know what the real god is like because divine knowledge is filtered through our subjective mind. Or maybe we are all right because believing god is something makes him/her so. Or maybe god is the sum collection of all our visions.
-------------------- Computer games don't affect kids. I mean if Pacman affected our generation as kids, we'd all be running around in a darkened room, munching pills and listening to repetitive electronic music. "Being bitter and hateful is like drinking a vial of poison and hoping the other person gets sick" FreakQLibrium "My motto from here on out is: If someone or something (including me) in my life is conducting themselves in such a way that they can be seen on Jerry Springer, it's time to take out the garbage!!! When you stop taking their behaviour personally and see their antics as a true reflection on their character, it becomes absolutely nauseating." Anon. on abusive relationships.
Edited by enotake2 (02/11/03 08:59 PM)
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: enotake2]
#1300995 - 02/11/03 08:52 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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God is different in everyones mind. And there are many gods, infact you can make a god for everything you want. For example a sun god, a moon god, a tree god or even a god of porn. That is what is so great, you can create your own image of god, it doesn't have to be the same as someone elses god, but it can.
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: enotake2]
#1300996 - 02/11/03 08:52 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Something else created us all.
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: enotake2]
#1300997 - 02/11/03 08:52 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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In my opinion it was created by humanity. As a filling for the unexplainable gap question: why do we excist.
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: enotake2]
#1301030 - 02/11/03 09:16 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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-------------------- Computer games don't affect kids. I mean if Pacman affected our generation as kids, we'd all be running around in a darkened room, munching pills and listening to repetitive electronic music. "Being bitter and hateful is like drinking a vial of poison and hoping the other person gets sick" FreakQLibrium "My motto from here on out is: If someone or something (including me) in my life is conducting themselves in such a way that they can be seen on Jerry Springer, it's time to take out the garbage!!! When you stop taking their behaviour personally and see their antics as a true reflection on their character, it becomes absolutely nauseating." Anon. on abusive relationships.
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: Fliquid]
#1326462 - 02/22/03 10:51 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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The question of the existence of God is something that's been going on for so long.
Simply because in the eyes of people, there is no solid evidence that God does or doesn't exist.
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: enotake2]
#1326684 - 02/22/03 01:06 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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We are god(s) creating, and yes we create our "selves"
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: 3eyedgod]
#1326694 - 02/22/03 01:10 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gods the simplest way to explain existence, humans like simplicity, we created god. People who don't believe in evolution need to look around, see all the similarities in different animals that evolved for specific tasks, lifes an amazing extrodinarily complex thing.
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: CockyMandrill]
#1326711 - 02/22/03 01:17 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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God isn't something outside you. God is deep inside you. God is who you truly are. And you create the universe with every beat of your heart and every breath you take.
I reccommend reading/listening to "Self and Other" by Allan Watts.
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: enotake2]
#1326717 - 02/22/03 01:19 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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God created us to see who would choose eternal love, and who would reject it.
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: Zahid]
#1327032 - 02/22/03 04:54 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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>God created us to see who would choose eternal love, and who would reject it.
Oh? Then why did god creat dogs and fish and spiders and so on?
I think life is just the universe trying to become sentient, to see itself. To form a conciousness capable of recieving all available information and making sense of it. The closest thing to becoming the final product of the universe, that we know of, is human. Unfortunately I dont think we'll make it, we came close but we have been drifting away for the past few thousand years. I think we are de-evolving now, hense the false beliefs. Some percentage of the population seems to get smarter while others(most of america or the world) seem to be average or ignorant. With so many bad genetics going around it's going to be hard to evolve further, that and we are using up all of our resources and polluting our environment. I think the gene pool could use some detergent.
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: enotake2]
#1327739 - 02/22/03 11:08 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think it's all just physics and chemistry
Yeah I also believe that humans are de-evolving, or that human evolution has stopped. But I don't believe that to be a very big problem. We have become smart enough to be able do understand and alter genetics to a degree. So I think that in a couple of decades humans will be able to 'evolve' themselves at will.
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Oh? Then why did god creat dogs and fish and spiders and so on? Do you really have to ask yourself that question? Dogs, fish, spiders, and the like are a bonus in the big soup of life that is submission to God. Humans on the other hand are special creatures, because they have free will. God is a reality, and God is a burning, eternal love for those who are in submission willfully, or unwillfully. Cats, dogs, and spiders are too stupid and innocent to make a willful attempt to reject God. They are forever humble.
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: Zahid]
#1328136 - 02/23/03 05:52 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've thought the same thing cybrbeast, humans will not evolve in countries like america cause you really don't need to have any skill to survive. We can fight off nearly all diseases and colds through medicine, its not like the strongest survive, only the incredibly weak die.
But we will be evolving un-naturally through genetics in the future, I think we will be able to create different life and enhance human life once the genome project is done. Around 99% of our DNA is inactive, and by reading this we will understand exactly where we came from.
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: CockyMandrill]
#1328223 - 02/23/03 06:51 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mapping the genome is only a first step. After this we will need to find out all the specific functions of every gene. When this is done, we can start altering specific genes to enhance life. Ofcourse the public opinion and knowledge must be changed in order to get support for these technologies. So we still have a long way to go.
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: cybrbeast]
#1328252 - 02/23/03 07:10 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ya i know that its only the first step, just like you have to learn the alphabet, then you have to learn how to spell words and what those mean before you can write anything of any meaning.
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: CockyMandrill]
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: enotake2]
#1329828 - 02/23/03 07:48 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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>Did god create us or did we create god?
probably a little bit of both... in terms of most popular beliefs, probably a lot more of one or the other.
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: enotake2]
#1329846 - 02/23/03 07:59 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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well, I believe that there is some greater force out there. but it certainly did not create us; in fact, to be technical, it created nothing.
any attempt to put this greater force (a la the Tao or God) into words will inevitably scar the totality of the force; after all, we are but small waves in a greater harmony. hence, in that respect, men have created many gods through the formation of many different religions, and none of these truly express "God" as I see him/her/it.
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: Smack31]
#1329912 - 02/23/03 08:47 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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i agree with alot of what was said but i would like to add something. i think that we made god so we would have someone else to blame when things went wrong all throughout history this has beent the case. im more primitive days if there was a drought people would think that the gods were mad and just messing with them. nowadays this appears in the form of fanatical musilums(sp?) they say that the reason they kill americans and jews is because its gods will. in other words dont blame me blame gods. id just like to point out that im not racist and i was just using that as an example i have nothing against peaceful musilums. thats just my take. peace *also do u post at yahooka enotake2 whats ur name over there? i ask cause the same post just showed up like 2 days ago there.* blaze2
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: blaze2]
#1330150 - 02/24/03 12:23 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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No never been to yahooka. Maybe it was somebody else who saw this thread...
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: Smack31]
#1330955 - 02/24/03 07:00 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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God is kinda like a genius, he created plants and animals and the beautiful blue sky with puffy clouds. Time for another run on my slip n slide!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: ViBrAnT]
#1350347 - 03/04/03 02:20 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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i agree w/ blaze i think a lot of people just make up religion and god so that we can feel better about ourselves and so people can think that not everything is up to them and there is soemthing else controlling their life. so in that sense we kind of created god. i am a full believer in some sort of evolution and darwinism, but then i start to think about why i am even here... and then i have to admit that there has to be some higher power. am i the only one who always thinks about that? isnt it weird that we are just living out our life here, and we have no idea how we got here?? i duno, i always get shit scared when i think about that.
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: marniesaur]
#1351651 - 03/05/03 05:02 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah I also believe that humans are de-evolving, or that human evolution has stopped
i fail to see how you come to this conclusion. evolution is too slow a process for us to be able to say something like that. we are still physically adapting and evolving to fit our environment. i remember reading somewhere that finger length and shape is changing to cope with keyboards better. which makes sense. the average male and females body shape and size is changing as well. you only have to look at really old houses in england (houses from the 1600's etc) to see that we are much taller now, every door in these houses is about 5' 9" high or something.
i do take your point about survival of the fittest though, thats a pretty worthless concept now, to some degree. i'm am actually worried about the dumbing down of our societies though, people dont need to think for themselves anymore, you can walk through life. the evolution of our consciousness is interesting. i wonder if anyone knows of any articles on the evolution/de-evolution of the brain?
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Re: Did god create us or did we create god? [Re: mikey_]
#1351738 - 03/05/03 05:34 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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i am a strong believer in God. He created us
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