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Re: Jehovah's Witness? [Re: countchocula420]
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JWs - So many heresies its hard to summarize them all. 
They are a cult, and they are NOT Christian.

Denial of Trinitarianism
Denial that Jesus is God in the flesh
Denial of the eternality of Christ
Denial of the person of the Holy Spirit
Salvation is a reward for good works
The wicked will cease to exist and will not suffer everlasting torment.
Their own translation of the Scriptures (New World Translation) made to support their hideous doctrines
Numerous false prophecies

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Re: Jehova's Witness? [Re: countchocula420]
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countchocula420 said:
Whats up shroomery,

I've been dating a girl who has Jehova's Witness grandparents and because she lived with them when she was younger, I go over to their house often and know they're Jehova's Witnesses and grandma's husband, not her grandpa, is an Elder (?).  anyways, i've heard all sorts of bad things and people making fun of this religion, so my question is can anyone give me jehova's witness in a nutshell?  i'm  not religious and don't consider myself an atheist/agnostic either. i'm definitely not looking to convert into religion at all so don't think i am.  i've heard things like they consider themselves christians but christians follow the bible word for word, and jehova's witnesses don't.  for example, they believe michael the archangel was jesus (?) correct me if i'm wrong.  anyways, i just wanted to get educated by someone likeminded.  :stoned:



The other poster should have given you some taste of the religion, but basically they're a relatively distinct and aloof branch of Christianity that has a bunch of doctrinal differences with more mainstream christianity.

They also have some pretty tortured and convulted interpretations of the bible that they claim justifys their doctrine and traditions- so much so that other mainstream christian denominations often don't even consider them fellow christians.  A lot of these points of difference seem completely arbitrary and trivial, yet seem important to the faithful as a way to distinguish themselves from the unrepentant sinners.

They seem to be pretty antagonistic to non-JH authorities and so some of their practices set them apart (not taking oaths, not pledging allegiance to governments, refusing blood products other than arbitrary and inconsistant exceptions, mandatory indoctrination and recruitment of outsiders).

Other than their annoying belief that its their duty to harass everybody around them until they submit to J.W. authority, they really aren't any more difficult to deal with or get along with than your standard christian, though they seem more likely to be devout than the other christians I've known.  Like the rest of the christians: the devout are a pain in the ass while the majority are easy to get along with because they ignore their religion and its teachings until their own mortality scares them enough to put up with the B.S. (kinda like the christian folks who party and do all sorts of crap when they are young but suddenly become religious when they marry and have children and it becomes socially desirable to have faith)

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Re: Jehovah's Witness? [Re: fivepointer]
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fivepointer said:
JWs - So many heresies its hard to summarize them all. 
They are a cult, and they are NOT Christian.

Denial of Trinitarianism
Denial that Jesus is God in the flesh
Denial of the eternality of Christ
Denial of the person of the Holy Spirit
Salvation is a reward for good works
The wicked will cease to exist and will not suffer everlasting torment.
Their own translation of the Scriptures (New World Translation) made to support their hideous doctrines
Numerous false prophecies


Since nothing in religion is proven, denial and false prophecies seem a bit strong.

Also, are these the people who deny medical treatment to the sick, such as blood transfusions? *EDIT* nevermind, I guess they are.


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Edited by sandi (11/04/11 02:07 AM)

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Re: Jehovah's Witness? [Re: sandi] * 1
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FivePointer will tell you time after time that he is the only 'true' Christian here. He knows everything in the Bible except the 'Judge Not' part, well there are more than a few other parts he struggles with. :tongue:


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Edited by OrgoneConclusion (11/04/11 06:35 PM)

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Re: Jehovah's Witness? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Outward appearance, sincerity, and/or reputation is how the world would judge whether a person is a Christian or not.  However there is only one way to make the determination - correct gospel doctrine, or belief of the gospel.  The one and only gospel.  If a person confesses a false gospel they are NOT a Christian, period.  I don't care if the appear a devout, caring, loving person, without confession of the one and ONLY gospel, they are LOST.  JWs are LOST, they bring a false gospel.  If they ever do get saved they will immediately know that JWism is false and confess the true gospel.

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Re: Jehovah's Witness? [Re: fivepointer] * 1
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If a person confesses a false gospel they are NOT a Christian, period.

You confess a false gospel. :shrug:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Jehovah's Witness? [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
If a person confesses a false gospel they are NOT a Christian, period.

You confess a false gospel. :shrug:



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Re: Jehovah's Witness? [Re: towagh_wayhut]
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towagh_wayhut said:
Hurrah! A fellow Gnostic! Fight the power, Brother!


I don't mind being considered a heretic by the moronic multitudes, mind you, because those in the majority do not determine Truth. Take Nazi Germany for an example.
Origen was a GREAT Ante-Nicean Christian philosopher who still adhered to transmigration of the soul, as most ancient philosophers did, and he struggled with his sexuality to the point of emasculating himself (which didn't really end his fantasizing). Origen was declared by the power-hierarchy to be a heretic. Clement of Alexandria, another Ante-Nicean Christian, considered himself to be a Gnostic. Tertullian originated the word 'trinity,' with regard to the Godhead, and when he became a Montanist, he too was condemned to be a heretic.  Augustine elaborated The Trinity at great length, of course, he had been  a Neoplatonist for a long time, and The Holy Trinity is an adaption of Plotinian Neoplatonism into Christian, anthropological terms. The Plotinian ONE became the 'Father,' the Nous, became the Son (or Word, or Logos), and the Anima Mundi (World Soul) lost it's feminine Latinized form (Anima = soul), and took on the Greek word 'Pneuma' (Spirit, which is Animus in Latin, and masculine) and which is gender-neutral in Greek, thus eliminating the feminine aspect of the Godhead and rendering a patriarchal nature to the Godhead (which is beyond the opposites). Gnostics, fortunately considered a Trinity to be Father-Son-Holy Mother, and thus reflects the earlier Egyptian theology of Osiris-Horus-Isis. Evident is hatred and vilification of the feminine by the pathological masculine power-mongers of their day! The same kind of males perpetrated the witch-hunts, and dominated the 'Holy' Inquisition with sexual sadism the likes of which make any present day, ''fetish-factory' sexual sadist look like a mischievous schoolboy (barring torture-murderer serial killers, which the inquisitors truly were).

I used to think that Greek spirituality, which taught the flight from the physical world, was just 'higher' in a transcendental sense than the Jewish spirituality that enjoined us to transmute the physical (as does Kabbalah and alchemy). When I matured, and began to put 2 + 2 together; when every male monastic I ever met, whether Franciscan, Capuchin Reformed Franciscan, Benedictine, or Cistercian - was gay. Not only that, rare it was when I met a straight Catholic priest (one came on to a ladyfriend of mine). I remembered why sodomy had long been called 'Greek sex,' and how Deutero-Pauline writings chastised and demeaned women, while the oldest original Pauline writings expressed an egalitarian doctrine that transcended male or female, (and free or slave, Jew or Greek, for that matter). A definite misogyny runs through Pseudo-Paul (who may well have suffered from a "thorn-in-the-side" which was the pathological form of woman-hating homosexuality, something equivalent to the pathological heterosexual hatred of homosexuals). Naturally, others of his ilk would have jumped on that bandwagon of condemnation. There is no Greek word for homosexuality, yet King James saw fit to condemn homosexuals in his 1611 translation of the Bible into English. He didn't do anything that many generations of scribes did before him - making insertions, deletions, and giving a spin of their own when hand-copying manuscripts.

There is just SO MUCH in error with the Bible, its inaccurate or erroneous interpretations and translations, the ecclesiastical structures based on gross misinterpretations of common titles for special instances (like the title 'Son of God'), that I have been attempting to refine it for myself much like the polishing of a great mirror for an observatory's big telescope. After years of cooling, it is polished with increasingly fine abrasives which remove first the gross, then the finer imperfections, before the mirroring (meaning!) is applied. Otherwise, all one gets are incredible magnifications of distorted Light. Such is the Christian Literalist's view. Loud and distorted in many degrees of magnitude. As Ken Kesey said of the early psychedelic gnostics, "We are not many."

Edited by MarkostheGnostic (11/04/11 04:27 PM)

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