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Offlinezahudulallah
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Re: My beef with christianity [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #3458604 - 12/07/04 07:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: My beef with christianity [Re: IcebergMcNasty]
    #3458607 - 12/07/04 07:08 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Oh and btw their is no literal hell. Hell or eternal damnation, whatever you want to call it just means your dead. When people die they are nomore. The dead feel nothing, know nothing, and can do nothing. You simply no longer exist.


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Re: My beef with christianity [Re: IcebergMcNasty]
    #3458613 - 12/07/04 07:18 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've since learned that just because someone goes to church, or reads the bible, or even someone like myself who has some accurate knowledge of the bible doesnt mean they are doing what God would have them. It would seem by our actions that we dont worship the true God (whose name happens to be Jehovah), but the God of this world satan.


I agree with what you said fundamentally(except for accusing(bad word, sorry suggesting, better word :smile:) the original poster of being influenced by the JW's, i don't personally see that), *in fact it was seeing cruelty cloaked with and even using the word of God to perpretrate subtle as well as overt acts of physical as well as (especially) psychic violence among members of my own(ex) family that was a major(perhaps the only one?) reasons why it took me so long to accept Jesus Christ as my  personal Lord and savior and through HIM allow God to enter my life


It was like total phucking mind rape if you'll pardon my lack of eloquence and decorum which went on, okay, i allOWED it to go on for years but I'm free of all that bad stuff now  :sun: :heart: :sun: :smile:

*You know? I'm not even sure what i said there was even peripherally relevent to your post and i apologise if it seemed totally tangential to your post but it was something i felt i had to say  :wink:


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Re: My beef with christianity [Re: IcebergMcNasty]
    #3458617 - 12/07/04 07:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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IcebergMcNasty said:
Oh and btw their is no literal hell. Hell or eternal damnation, whatever you want to call it just means your dead. When people die they are nomore. The dead feel nothing, know nothing, and can do nothing. You simply no longer exist.




Now THAT is exactly what makes th JW's just another false religion, the notion that all that happens after death to non followers(please not i didn't not say believers but FOLLOWers of Christ)is "non existence"

I myself am not Biblically knowledgable enough to refute your claim but PLEASE get a copy of: "Other Gospels, who is right?" by Paul B. Smith and see for yourself how totally erroneous the JW's are(and many other religions are exposed as well, it isn't just the JW's). This is not a personal attack on YOU man, just your belief's as a JW


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OfflineMarkostheGnostic
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Re: My beef with christianity [Re: IcebergMcNasty]
    #3458627 - 12/07/04 07:44 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Gee...I guess I've been wrong all these decades and have wasted the last 3.5 decades obtaining advanced university degrees, practicing spiritual disciplines and leading a life aimed at high moral development, when it's all been for naught. I suppose that the highest moments of my life were just delusions and hallucinations and that my working prayer life was just meaningless coincidences of random events. I'll now live my life after the truth you have just expounded, force myself to deny Reality as I have experienced it for so long, and spend the rest of my days cheating on my Lady with whores and strippers. Maybe I can seduce a high school girl whom I've worked with ('cause middle school girls are too young and stupid for my taste). After all, nothing matters in the end, and who cares about anyone or anything anyway?


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Re: My beef with christianity [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #3458814 - 12/07/04 10:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

How can food choice be indicative of spiritual development? Doesn't this basically say that there is one spiritual path with necessary steps on the way? That is very hard to believe if you consider the huge myriad of different people with different beginnings and backgrounds.


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Re: My beef with christianity [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3458874 - 12/07/04 11:00 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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The difference between Killing and Murder is Intent.




Not really.. if you kill somebody in a war, or in self defense.. not neccessarily murder, but definately killing.

Basic point of my whole post? The Bible doesn't make the same sense now that it used to, especially the old testament. It's been translated from Hebrew, to Greek, to Latin, to whatever other language you may want. Bit fuzzy after the Latin part, but heck, it could even be that some of the english is based off a german translation of the Latin.
Even the New Testament went through -- what would it have been, Aramaic to Greek to Latin to English? Maybe it just started with Greek -- a lot of those guys were Greek after all. That's still a lot of translations.

When you read the Bible in English, it's not exactly what you think it is. It's an interpretation of an interpretation, which itself may have been an interpretation of an interpretation.

The big picture's still fairly clear, but the closer you look the fuzzier things get. The details may be distorted by the ceaseless translations.. sort of similar to what you get when you copy, scan, print, fax, re-copy, and re-fax a letter.


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Re: My beef with christianity [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #3458897 - 12/07/04 11:08 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

First I am not a Jehovahs witness. My belief is being a christian meaning knowing the bible very well(which I dont) and with that knowledge using Jesus's life as a example for how I should live my life.(which I really dont either).

I choose to do alot of things that go against what I do know about the bible. The info in my previous post's came from a witness brochure called "What does God Require of us". Anything in that pamphlet that I believe is backed up directly by scripture in the King James and New World Translations(witness bible). One thing I do know the bible says very clearly that when you die your dead, the soul does not live on.

check out
Psalm 146:4
His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground;
In that day his thoughts do perish.

or
Ecclesiastes 9:5,10
For the living are concious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they any-more have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten.

Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done uner the sun.

or
Ezekiel 18:4
Im tired of writing but at the end it say the soul that is sinning it itself will die.


I'll have to find the scripture that says the righteous and unrighteous will be resurected and judged. So I doubt most witnesses believe they are the only ones saved. The wicked are the only ones who dont get another chance and that because they will choose to be evil no matter what.

And btw those scriptures are quoted from a witness bible the king james version will vary as far as wording.


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Re: My beef with christianity [Re: IcebergMcNasty]
    #3458907 - 12/07/04 11:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Morrowind I "think" their isnt really "steps" just things you should and shouldnt do and most of the stuff makes real good sense to me. You dont have to be in an organization at all, I think it just makes it easier for people to believe whatever they believe when they are within large groups of people who believe the same thing. The problem with that is if there are things they believe that are false then it makes it a whole lot harder to see said beliefs as false.

but I'm stoned


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Re: My beef with christianity [Re: IcebergMcNasty]
    #3458920 - 12/07/04 11:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There is no "perfect" being, that is "infallible". Man just wants to believe there is because of our own fallible and imperfect nature. It's normal. Religion, however, is not normal. It's pointless and counterproductive. I'd be willing to bet that anybody that says they had an "encounter" with "god" or that "god spoke" to them is nothing more than an abnormal release of DMT from the pineal gland into your blood stream.

And to say that we can't understand a religion unless we believe in it is absurd. I understand all religions perfectly fine. They're a load of horse shit. That's all there is to understand.


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Re: My beef with christianity [Re: IcebergMcNasty]
    #3458927 - 12/07/04 11:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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IcebergMcNasty said:
Oh and btw their is no literal hell. Hell or eternal damnation, whatever you want to call it just means your dead. When people die they are nomore. The dead feel nothing, know nothing, and can do nothing. You simply no longer exist.




Life is energy, and energy cannot cease to exist, it can change form, but it will always exist.


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Re: My beef with christianity [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #3458964 - 12/07/04 11:39 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I guess pretty much everything is made of energy, dirt, humans, shrooms. I'm doubting dirt is thinking about anything no so sure about the shrooms though =)


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Re: My beef with christianity [Re: IcebergMcNasty]
    #3459223 - 12/07/04 12:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm specifically questioning the spiritual significance of eating meat, the other thing I said was a guess.


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Re: My beef with christianity [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3459678 - 12/07/04 02:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Happy situation occurs--set the switch to duality--now you can bask in the emotional satisfaction of a happy situation. 

Something bad happens--set the switch to ABOVE-duality-- now you can remain in peace and rest despite being in a hostile situation.


Sort of like having the best of both worlds :smile:


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Re: My beef with christianity [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #3459708 - 12/07/04 03:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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FreakQlibrium said:
Happy situation occurs--set the switch to duality--now you can bask in the emotional satisfaction of a happy situation. 

Something bad happens--set the switch to ABOVE-duality-- now you can remain in peace and rest despite being in a hostile situation.


Sort of like having the best of both worlds :smile:




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Re: My beef with christianity [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3459781 - 12/07/04 03:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
Quote:

FreakQlibrium said:
Happy situation occurs--set the switch to duality--now you can bask in the emotional satisfaction of a happy situation. 

Something bad happens--set the switch to ABOVE-duality-- now you can remain in peace and rest despite being in a hostile situation.


Sort of like having the best of both worlds :smile:











  :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:





It's so comforting to know that so many agree with me  :smirk:



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Re: My beef with christianity [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #3459843 - 12/07/04 03:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Indeed.. I think you've got it there, friend. And I know Jiggy's got it.. haha. :wink:


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Re: My beef with christianity [Re: vampirism]
    #3460209 - 12/07/04 04:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The implication in this particular discussion of food is that supermarket cannot accept that a Divine Human Being can eat animals, because, I suppose, of the suffering that is evident in killing. The denial that Jesus was Jewish, and that Jews lived by dietary laws that prohibited certain kinds of meat but accepted other kinds is rolled into this discussion. GOD created the natural order, and whether we like it or not the planet is populated by carnivores and omnivores. Suffering is part of the creation, part of the imperfection that so poignantly separates the Creator from the creation. Food, in and of itself serves the psychophysical body, not the spirit. And, morally speaking, one ought not do what one hates. Therefore, do not hunt and kill and do not expect someone else to do the killing for you. But, do not project your own values onto a historical figure and make absurd claims about Jesus.


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Re: My beef with christianity [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #3460218 - 12/07/04 04:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ok,

i was just unsure of what you were saying, this clears things up a lot.


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