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InvisibleJellric
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Reincarnation and Christianity
    #3435777 - 12/02/04 02:33 AM (12 years, 8 days ago)

This discussion started in a thread of Swami's so I have opened up this topic as a thread of its own:

In another thread Fucknuckle stated that he believes reincarnation goes against everything Jesus said. Personally, I find parts of the Bible, if not explicitly supportive of reincarnation, certainly not opposed to it.

Am I alone in seeing allusions to reincarnation in the Bible?


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Re: Reincarnation and Christianity [Re: Jellric]
    #3435786 - 12/02/04 02:35 AM (12 years, 8 days ago)

Let the games begin.

:grin:


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Re: Reincarnation and Christianity [Re: Frog]
    #3435794 - 12/02/04 02:37 AM (12 years, 8 days ago)

Tommorow............Goodnight


Hey did I not say that already?????????????


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Re: Reincarnation and Christianity [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3435828 - 12/02/04 02:46 AM (12 years, 8 days ago)

Yes.  :grin:

Me, too.  Bed.  Sleep.  I feel a war coming on.  :grin:


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Re: Reincarnation and Christianity [Re: Frog]
    #3436381 - 12/02/04 10:03 AM (12 years, 8 days ago)

Good morning!

Now I am not as well versed in the Bible as I could be, but I'm pretty sure that Jesus was all for reincarnation. Two examples:

Jesus was walking by a man who had been blind since birth. One of his diciples asked him, "Does this man suffer because of his own sins, or the sins of his parents?" Pardon my wording I suspect it is inaccurate. Jesus explained to him that this man who had been blind since birth was experiencing some kind of Karmic backlash which wasn't a punishment for a previous sin, but more of a personal choice he made before he was born to not see because of things he had seen in past life traumatized him.

Obviously someone who had been blind since birth, could not be so because of a sin commited in this lifetime.

Did he not also say something like "Before I was, I am, were flesh?"

The fact that Jesus was the 'Son of God'...I have doubts about. I'm sure that he existed, and was a great healer and philosopher, but he was also human.

Reincarnation? I don't really see how there could be any other way? This one lifetime is far too short to sqeeze in all the knowledge we crave deep inside us...all the experience at loving and feeling.

The more we learn and experience and feel, the more evolved we can become. The closer we can get to this 'god'. If we can conceive him...or her...or it, then why can't we experience this 'god'? I guess we are just not ready.

I struggle with the confines of Christianity. I don't understand how something that is supposed to be glorius and free and joyful can be so restricting and judgemental. I think Christianity has come a long way since the days of Jesus and I dount that a 'good' christian from those days would have a lot in common spiritually with one of our new and improved christians.


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Re: Reincarnation and Christianity [Re: CherryBom]
    #3436424 - 12/02/04 10:33 AM (12 years, 8 days ago)

> I don't understand how something that is supposed to be glorius and free and joyful can be so restricting and judgemental.

Because the teachings of Jesus are different than the teachings of the church. The church wants to maintain power over the people and the way to do that is by placing restriction upon the people and then claiming to be the only path to freedom when somebody violates one of the restrictions.


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Re: Reincarnation and Christianity [Re: CherryBom]
    #3436430 - 12/02/04 10:35 AM (12 years, 8 days ago)

jews actually accept reincarnation but it is not an issue of dogma or faith.
jesus was a jew and so don't expect it in any of his recorded teachings.
these faiths are supposed to be about what is going on here.
judaism does not even deal with heaven and certainly not hell etc. those were introduced afterwards as curious motivational incentives in the political dogmas of christianity.


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Re: Reincarnation and Christianity [Re: Seuss]
    #3436434 - 12/02/04 10:37 AM (12 years, 8 days ago)

This is inherently wrong. It's beyond my comprehension why the masses follow so blindly, never challenging themselves. Never questioning what they've been told.

IT'S SO FRUSTRATING!

Would I ever embrace the opportunity to have a chat with this Jesus character....


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Re: Reincarnation and Christianity [Re: Jellric]
    #3436522 - 12/02/04 11:08 AM (12 years, 8 days ago)

The Catholic Church removed most all of his references to reincarnation. Reason being, if you thought you had infinite chances, there would be no reason to FEAR  eternal damnation to hell.

They couldn't keep followers contributing to there wealth and power (game agenda) without people beleiving in eternal damnation.

(Exactly why jesus asked that no one start religions in his name. He said they would become corrupted.)

It's all coming out now. Higher ups in the catholic church are revealing when and why the Bible was manipulated by their institution. Most all of the manipulations took place before other christian religions branched off and created their own Bibles which were rip offs from the manipulated one.

I am not posting this because I care to change anyones beleifs. I am only posting in support of those who understand reincarnation.

Out of curiousity, am I the only one here who knows Jesus to be the reincarnation of Bhuddha?


Outside of shroomism, his typing this long ago is how I found the shroomery during a google, are we the only ones who know jesus to be a total cosmic space man? Beleive nothing other then the renassance paintings of Mary holding a baby with light ships in the back round and the 7 stars of the pleaides star system over her head.

It was all in the Bible and it got "manipulated". Gabriel is from the pleiades. The ET's had a lot of interaction with this planet at that time. He got it on with Mary who was incarnated from the Lyran family which the pleiadian collective evolved from.

Gabriell was turned into an Arch Angel who came from the Heavens (stars) to Mary and 'told" her of the coming "immaculate conception" as one of the Bibles "creative edits". When jesus talks about his father, he is talking about Gabriel who was one of the many star people playing god here. Anu and Toth also played god in the old testament.

(actors playing roles in the grand illusion. What a game of dress of and pretend we've had going on here)

Again, I am sharing this for those who know the Bible doesn't 'smell" right in a lot of areas not to change anyones beleifs about it being "the absolute word".

Just as funny as I may sound to beleivers of the Bible as it is, you sound funny to me. Immaculate conception?:santaclaus: I know I know, faith is all you need to beleive God put his seed in Mary. Forget the god that did was a man from the heavens (stars). Oh wait, that is how the Bible describes God? hmmmmmmmmm

None of this either way changes the fact that, I have to get my oil changed today and do some grocery shopping and help my daughter with math. :tongue:


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Re: Reincarnation and Christianity [Re: Jellric]
    #3436539 - 12/02/04 11:12 AM (12 years, 8 days ago)

The Church removed the references to reincarnation in the Bible, along with removing reinarnation from Church doctrine, at the Council of Nicea way back in 325 AD. There are plenty of articles about this if you search Google.


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Re: Reincarnation and Christianity [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3436552 - 12/02/04 11:15 AM (12 years, 8 days ago)

Out of curiousity, am I the only one here who knows Jesus to be the reincarnation of Bhuddha?


I've been taught though my own education and spirit guides that Buddha and Jesus were of the same soul entity. Also, our own Professor Carl Jung who was quietly secretive about his beleif that his own soul inhabited the body of Jesus.


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Re: Reincarnation and Christianity [Re: CherryBom]
    #3436583 - 12/02/04 11:23 AM (12 years, 8 days ago)

What about his also being the orginal Lightbringer aka Lucifer? Neat to see the progression of his soul growth through the evolution of reincarnation.

So Jung knew about hybrid soul piggy backing? neat!

I love this quote from Jesus "They have eyes but they can not see."


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Re: Reincarnation and Christianity [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3437187 - 12/02/04 01:58 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

minor quibble:
shakyamuni buddha went ahead (ne'er to return to the wheel of death and rebirth) to show us that "one can achieve the mahanirvana"...

therefore his cycle of rebirths (on this & other worlds) was ended for all time... (according to orthodox buddhist thought)

now, a bodhisattva, on the other hand --->
is one who has seen the possibility of total liberation for the individual, but renounces nirvana until "all sentient beings" can go together...


(anywho --- some lovely old(er) folks at my lutheran church mos'def believe in karma & reincarnation...
of course, since i have never believed in reincarnation in any of my previous lifetimes, i'm not gonna start in this one...)

:wink:


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Re: Reincarnation and Christianity [Re: gnrm23]
    #3437194 - 12/02/04 02:00 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

Ha!


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Re: Reincarnation and Christianity [Re: gnrm23]
    #3437266 - 12/02/04 02:20 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

(Ignore me.  I'm eaves dropping while I'm sitting in a depo.  I can't post until tonight.  I'm jealous, though, that y'all are having such a good time.  :mad: )


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Re: Reincarnation and Christianity [Re: Jellric]
    #3437357 - 12/02/04 02:37 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

OK I have spent some time researching this subject. I do not feel I have enough info to make a good participant.

As of right now I think the entire idea of Jesus talking about Reincarnation is completely out of Context to the Majority of his teaching.

But I am trying to do research with a open mind


I will be back.


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Re: Reincarnation and Christianity [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3437384 - 12/02/04 02:42 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

I don't buy the karma stuff either.

Off the wheel for good as if one is trapped by it. Ya right. See how much Buddha evolved between then and his jesus incarnation?

I believe in free will choice and cause and effect. work that in to whatever I said to figure it out.

P.S. I never beleived Budha had it figured out quite so. I think he was somewhat off his rocker but honing in. I like zen stuff though.

In my personal relationship with Jesus, he uses zen stuff a lot which is how I came to appreciate it.


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Re: Reincarnation and Christianity [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3437390 - 12/02/04 02:42 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16)

Taken from Freaks sig line, I felt it was significant to this thread.


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Re: Reincarnation and Christianity [Re: CherryBom]
    #3437432 - 12/02/04 02:49 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

I am not sure what your point is but,

Everlasting life in heaven, I.E with God

Not to be reborn over and over again as a Breathing living human.

That is crazy.



Fucknuckles agruement number 1

Just from a common sense point of view. The population grows to fast to allow for reincarnation.

Based on what I have read so far. I think 30% or more of the people on the planet would be born for the first time with out ever going through a Reincarnation. That would be an awful lot of people with Zero experience.

Just makes no sense to me.


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Re: Reincarnation and Christianity [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3437451 - 12/02/04 02:52 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

So then if we are only to be here once before we chill out for eternity in blissful bordom with nothing to do but bliss all day long, why do we come here ONCE?

What is the purpose of this one time?


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