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If Jesus suffered for our sins...
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why does he get to go to heaven?


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: Phluck]
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More importantly than wiping out our sins is wiping out our credit card debt...


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: Swami]
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More importantly than wiping out our sins is wiping out our credit card debt...

I'd be willing to dub that a miracle.


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: Sclorch]
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ahhhhh good old Fight Club inspiration :wink:


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: Phluck]
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He didn't die for our sins.

He didn't go to heaven.


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: Zero7a1]
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ahhhhh good old Fight Club inspiration

hehehe


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: Strumpling]
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whether or not he went to heaven we could debate all day, but he DID die for our sins. he believed in his deepest self that he did, and that's all that matters...


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: akyouser_oner]
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Jesus didn't die

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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: user_exists]
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...because fictional characters cannot.


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: Phluck]
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Supposedly Jesus' substitutionary death by crucifixion was enough to act as a propitiation for our 'missing the mark'. This is a doctrine in some sects of the Christian faith. Others think that He actually went to hell as well. That act, according to those that believe it, was not a punishment for Him but for us. Hence, he got to go to heaven after paying the price for our sin which was His death and/or experiencing Hell.

Point of fact, since none of us were there to witness it we have to either rely on some authority for verification (dangerous in my point of view) or find a rational way to think it might be possible ( perhaps the best rational course) or we can dismiss it as a fairy tale for grownups.

Each of us makes a choice at some point.

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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: ]
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well even if we were there to witness his death, that still doesn't have much to do with whether or not he went to heaven or hell, and whether or not heaven and hell even exist.


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: Strumpling]
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Yes, that is true.


However, if I were to have witnessed the scenes in the New Testament including the Ascension I would believe without a doubt.

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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: Phluck]
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I like to make stories out of the metaphors in the bible for my own enjoyment. Perhaps dying for our sins is symbolic for death and rebirth. Perhaps everyone dies for their own sins, and gets reborn. Thus death and rebirth until they have learn all of lifes lessons, and are ready to end their suffering.

A "sin" is something which is not necessary.
George Gurdjieff

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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: akyouser_oner]
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"he DID die for our sins"

How do you come to that concusion??? Every piece of literature I read said that Jesus' death wasn't his own idea - he didn't say "hey guys, you're all sinners so I'm going to have myself nailed to a cross". Instead Jesus's death had more to do with the fact that he insisted that he was the "son of God" and that people should put him above their existing leadership. The leadership didn't really care too much for that kind of talk.


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: GoBlue!]
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well, it doesn't matter whose idea it was (i'm saying this for the benefit of those who don't believe in the god part of jesus' life). the point was that he willingly died for our sins (in his mind), and regardless of whether or not you believe that he has done that so we can live free from sin, the reason he allowed himself to live the lifestyle that he knew would eventually bring him ruin was to save us from it...


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: akyouser_oner]
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Gotcha.  Fair enough!  :laugh: 


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: GoBlue!]
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As anguish is caused by attachment to wordly things then if was truly a Buddha, he didn't suffer.


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: akyouser_oner]
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You know all those suicide bombers?

They're dying for the good of muslims everywhere, and they aren't even being rounded up nailed to crosses, their doing it themselves. They get to go to heaven too.

I'd suffer a few days of horrible tormenting anguish in hell if it means that I get to spend eternity in peaceful harmonic pleasure.

The assholes on Survivor are doing it too.

"If I make it to the end of this shitty ordeal, I get to spend the rest of my years livin' large."


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http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: Phluck]
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1) i made it a point not to bring god or heaven into my posts
2) i did not condone nor disapprove of jesus' actions. i was merely pointing out facts (under the assumption that jesus did actually exist)


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: akyouser_oner]
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Unfortunately its not a fact that he died for our sins.

He died because he pissed off the government.


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