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    #1099141 - 11/30/02 07:07 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: ]
    #1099219 - 11/30/02 07:28 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Strong academic credentials mean nothing.

They don't mean everything, but likewise certainly aren't meaningless when it comes to knowledge of ancient languages, history and archaeology. The book should stand or fall on it's own merits however and appears to be carefully annotated as to sources, not mere opinion.

I reserve judgement until I read it in full.


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #1099241 - 11/30/02 07:33 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, I believe that is it: "The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold".

Thanks for looking that up.


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: Swami]
    #1099488 - 11/30/02 09:32 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Me?

I'm waiting for the movie. :wink:

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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: Swami]
    #1099637 - 11/30/02 10:40 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Acharya also wrote (imo) an excellent critique of the writings/musings of Zachariah Sitchen, Swami. Being fluent in ancient Sanskrit herselt she was able to point out SERIOUS flaws in his "interpretations". She's a very good thinker(as well as being what you would call "a hottie" lol), The bottom line is/was that she is able to give a clear and demonstative argument as to how people will fabricate, distort, twist around or even conjur up the requisite "facts" to substantiate whatever world view or belief system they WISH to be true


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #1099895 - 12/01/02 12:18 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

yes i just ordered the book the chirst conspiracy: the greatest story ever sold. Though it hasn't come in the mail yet. Is it a good book?

So what was the part in the book that talked about modern day worship is the worship of horus: the egyptian god of the sky; am i correct?


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1099933 - 12/01/02 12:40 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

yes i just ordered the book the chirst conspiracy: the greatest story ever sold. Though it hasn't come in the mail yet. Is it a good book?

i haven't actually tread the book in it's entirity Johnny.......just the excerpts from the link i provided....

So what was the part in the book that talked about modern day worship is the worship of horus: the egyptian god of the sky; am i correct?

i think if you click on the aforementioned link that one of the pages/excerpts deals with the mythology of Horus(perhaps even tying it in to "the illuminati".....annunaki and whatever else) :grin: 

http://www.truthbeknown.com/christ3.htm that "should" be the info you're seeking re Horus :wink:


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: Swami]
    #1099954 - 12/01/02 12:49 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

As anguish is caused by attachment to wordly things then if was truly a Buddha, he didn't suffer.

THat's an excellent point Swami, and one that i myself have made B4.....(not on this board though) :smile: 


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1100608 - 12/01/02 10:15 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

(Referring to Jesus' death cry) Of course it sounds no different. That's the point. Jesus had to die, as prophesied.

Too rich! So let me get this straight: the fact that Jesus final utterance was NO DIFFERENT than any other mortal was indicative that he was indeed the prophet?

And if he was a false prophet the words would have also been similar? Am I the only one that finds this apologetic doublespeak ironic?


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: Swami]
    #1100961 - 12/01/02 12:35 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Apology?

I didn't see no apology. :wink:

You do realize that Jesus was quoting Scripture, don't you? :wink:

:grin:

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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: ]
    #1101521 - 12/01/02 05:45 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

'my god, why hast thou forsaken me?'

according to the christian belief, these words were said because jesus felt god leave his presence.

basically jesus did not know perhaps that god wasn't going to hold his hand through the death, would have made dying a bit to easy having true peace within dying.

also, that god was unable to accompany him because god cannot take part in death, so when jesus died, he had to die without god.

tho, this is the belief umong christians...

it could have signified that at the last moments, believing he was the son of man, that he should have been pampered and was not, or perhaps learned ultimately that it was never as he thought.... or because of the excruciating pain, people have a tendency to hallucinate.

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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: ribbit]
    #1101581 - 12/01/02 06:27 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

"or perhaps learned ultimately that it was never as he thought"

there ya go :smile:


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: Buddha5254]
    #1101827 - 12/01/02 07:59 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

I am the son of God as well.  :wink:


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: Murex]
    #1101954 - 12/01/02 09:00 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Shall we really ever know the trueth about this man? recently in TIme magazine,there was an article about proof that jesus had a brother. Does that mean anything? who knows, We will not find these answers probibly until we are on our death bed. Then we will relize that maybe there really is a god or not.


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: ribbit]
    #1101966 - 12/01/02 09:03 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

It is true that God does not die, as in 'God, the Father,' which is called 'Patripassionism' in theology, but the 'impassible God' Who is eternally the same, entered into the human realm in order to experience the suffering and death of His human creation through the agency of Jesus of Nazareth.

More important than speculating about the mortal thoughts of a tortured man dying from asphixiation is the metaphysical, mystical and mythological Truths being imparted by the entire drama - including the Resurrection, which is far more important than the death of Jesus. Whether the Resurrection was ever intended to be interpreted as a 'resusitation,' as portrayed by the selected writers of the Gospels, or as a Transcendental Experience as recorded by Paul's writings, is another question. Resurrection is the 'crux' of Christianity.


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: GrowingVines]
    #1102095 - 12/01/02 09:39 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

I am God. You are God as well.

We are all pieces of God. I realized this when tripping shrooms- I saw a giant ball of white energy (like a star only 100 times bigger) where I was being pulled in while other 'souls' were coming out. I entered it and I felt Love, and lots of it. It was the highest form of euphoria one can have.

Eat 5 grams alone and become one with god.
Eat 5 grams at Astro World and puke your guts out.

It's all up to you.

As for Jesus- I don't think he really matters as much as most people think. You probably can never know for sure about that guy.


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Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
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Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: Murex]
    #1103245 - 12/02/02 05:27 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Sure, of course...I'll believe in you from now on. What have I been thinking for the past 3 decades? Let me pray to your big white ball. What's his/her name?

You are not "THE Son of God," and with your attitude about Jesus, you do not even rank as 'a child of God,' from a Christian perspective. Lose your inflated ego and you might begin to learn what this means.


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: GrowingVines]
    #1103254 - 12/02/02 05:36 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

The Bible cites James as the brother of Jesus (I don't have chapters and verses available). James is not known to have carried Christianity as far as Peter and Paul are said to have.

If James was to assume the role that Peter took, the saying where Jesus tells Peter that he has 'the keys to the Kingdom' complicates the issue. There were errors in the minds of the apostles. Paul believed that the return of Jesus to Earth, in glory was about to happen shortly after His Resurrection and Ascension (theologically and mythologically speaking). That is why he taught others not to marry, or be concerned about Earthly things. He was partly correct though. The Spirit of God is available in this very moment.


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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: Swami]
    #1103330 - 12/02/02 07:39 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

As anguish is caused by attachment to wordly things then if was truly a Buddha, he didn't suffer.

I don't remember where I've read that, but there was a zen master who studied the bible and came to the part of the gospel where Jesus was dying at the cross, and one of the two criminals who were crucified with him confessed his sins, and Jesus said: "You will be in paradise with me tonight."

That passage somehow didn't sound right, so he looked it up and discovered a wrong translation. What Jesus really said was: "You are in paradise with me right now, here, hanging from the cross." I don't know if that is a better translation, but it makes a lot more sense to me. Maybe Markos can help out.

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Re: If Jesus suffered for our sins... [Re: Nomad]
    #1103424 - 12/02/02 08:40 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

I like what the zen master said, too.


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