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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Wishful thinking [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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:piss:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Wishful thinking [Re: Ravus]
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I'm surprised you haven't mention anything about essence. To me, it seems like spirituality becomes meaningless unless it is accompanied by the belief in essence.

"Sure, the material body is rotting the ground, but the essence of the person still remains in a transcendental realm of reality." -- Platonic dribble

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Re: Wishful thinking [Re: Ravus]
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ravus, the reason you are similar to a fundamentalist is because you are unable to see things from another persepctive. you behave as if yours is the only correct way of looking at things and anyone who may have another way is not only wrong, but irrational. also, just like a fundamentalist, you see the failure of everyone to adopt your way of thinking as the cause of the world's ills.

Edited by Deviate (10/03/06 02:15 AM)

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Re: Wishful thinking [Re: Deviate]
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This is a point well taken. We all seem to do this at times and it is far from the truth. The truth being IMO, no one knows any ultimate truths about reality. It's good to hold your opinion as long as you understand that point.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Wishful thinking [Re: Icelander]
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"The truth being IMO, no one knows any ultimate truths about reality."
That strongly depends on the relation you will give to 'ultimate'.
Some truths for ultimate limited space-time relations are quite 'real', as far as I can see the case :smile:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: Wishful thinking [Re: Deviate]
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Deviate said:
ravus, the reason you are similar to a fundamentalist is because you are unable to see things from another persepctive. you behave as if yours is the only correct way of looking at things and anyone who may have another way is not only wrong, but irrational. also, just like a fundamentalist, you see the failure of everyone to adopt your way of thinking as the cause of the world's ills. 


:strokebeard:

That's an in-depth psychological analysis, Deviate. I applaud you.

Whether anyone can truly see the world from another perspective is open to debate. They may just be casting their interpretation of others created through their own perspective onto what they believe the other person's mind is like, and then proceed to applaud themselves as enlightened and open-minded. Based on the relationships I've seen between people, I'm fairly confident that this is what is going on even in the most "open-minded" person. Sometimes their perspective is just better at simulating the mindset of others, perhaps because they have a weak mindset of their own.

As for your last statement though, looking at it through my own philosophical perspectives, I do not believe it is entirely truthful. I believe that religion will ultimately destroy the world and the human race if it continues on its current destructive path- that is what I have observed through studying both historical and current conflicts. But if you take away religion and humanity's belief in the soul, that does not mean we would enter a utopia by any means. In fact, we may destroy ourselves just as we would've with the destructive influence of religion, because there are always interesting alternatives for beliefs leading to suicide in humanity- as we've seen with the distortions of atheistic Communism in the USSR. Even if humanity followed the supposed logic of my internal dialogue, from my perspective I think the world's ills would continue just as normal. The best I could hope for is that we would kill ourselves a little bit slower.


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Re: Wishful thinking [Re: Ravus]
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It will be slow enough if you die before the world ends. I must admit I thought very much like your train of thought for quite some years. I have changed my outlook and priorities.

Whatever happens to the world is none of my business. What the outcome of my life is, well, that's my business as far as my outlook on events goes. In other words I choose my experience and that happens whether the earth goes right or left or up or down. Now that is the point of all this, don't you think? We want to have a certain experience. Be careful how you go about trying for it. If you use a pattern of thinking that has over time proved itself in theory but not in reality then I think it may be good to try something that you haven't considered up to this point. It's very easy IMO to get hooked into an unworkable, yet comfortable belief system and go to the grave without ever really knowing what the fuck life is all about. :wink:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Wishful thinking [Re: Ravus]
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Quote:
Whether anyone can truly see the world from another perspective is open to debate. They may just be casting their interpretation of others created through their own perspective onto what they believe the other person's mind is like, and then proceed to applaud themselves as enlightened and open-minded. Based on the relationships I've seen between people, I'm fairly confident that this is what is going on even in the most "open-minded" person. Sometimes their perspective is just better at simulating the mindset of others, perhaps because they have a weak mindset of their own.


perspectives can change, thus proving it is possible to see things from more than one persepctive. of course you could argue that its impossible to see things from more than one perspective simultaneously, but i think the memory should suffice for understanding.

Edited by Deviate (10/06/06 01:48 AM)

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Re: Wishful thinking [Re: Deviate]
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Is it wishful thinking to think that this will stay on topic?

Besides, why didn't anyone mention why the hand moves object A?

Can you with physics explain to me WHY (not HOW, but WHY) ?

The causality is to me a how, not a why. meh.

:dancing: :confused: :runaway:


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Re: Wishful thinking [Re: Deviate]
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Deviate said:
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Whether anyone can truly see the world from another perspective is open to debate. They may just be casting their interpretation of others created through their own perspective onto what they believe the other person's mind is like, and then proceed to applaud themselves as enlightened and open-minded. Based on the relationships I've seen between people, I'm fairly confident that this is what is going on even in the most "open-minded" person. Sometimes their perspective is just better at simulating the mindset of others, perhaps because they have a weak mindset of their own.


perspectives can change, thus proving it is possible to see things from more than one persepctive.


Nope, even if a perspective changes, it's still the same perspective, just modified.

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Re: Wishful thinking [Re: it stars saddam]
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itstarssaddam said:
Deviate said:
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Whether anyone can truly see the world from another perspective is open to debate. They may just be casting their interpretation of others created through their own perspective onto what they believe the other person's mind is like, and then proceed to applaud themselves as enlightened and open-minded. Based on the relationships I've seen between people, I'm fairly confident that this is what is going on even in the most "open-minded" person. Sometimes their perspective is just better at simulating the mindset of others, perhaps because they have a weak mindset of their own.


perspectives can change, thus proving it is possible to see things from more than one persepctive.


Nope, even if a perspective changes, it's still the same perspective, just modified.


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"Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."

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Re: Wishful thinking [Re: Basilides]
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Duh.

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