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Re: Contact Experiment [Re: Xlea321]
    #855706 - 08/31/02 10:13 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

Alex, thanks for keeping the opposition view in check.

I recommend seeing it. It is a great flick. I own a copy.

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Re: Contact Experiment [Re: Xlea321]
    #856273 - 09/01/02 08:14 AM (18 years, 23 days ago)

Neither. Have you ever been able to control trips in this manner? ie you see a film and then go "I think i'll have a trip like that". Certainly doesn't work like that for me. Not in the slightest.
Perhaps you should read up on the history of the "War of the Worlds" radio broadcast done by Orson Welles. People from all over the country called local authorities confirming the invasion. Water towers were shot as alien spaceships. This is recorded fact as to the power of suggestion and this effect cannot be ignored by an unbiased researcher. Were ALL listeners so affected? No.

There is also another way to view it. Someone has an unusual experience that they are not sure how to describe, so they put it in terms that they have already heard; for example, sleep paralysis. This is nothing new, but prior to the '70s it was never described in terms of alien visitation nor abduction. Black-outs and/or lapses in consciousness are nothing new, but are now called "Missing Time" and linked to abduction.

A dead goat in some parts of South America is now a "Chupacabra victim" and so on. Did they imagine the dead goat? No, the goat is real. Is the description colored by previous reports? Most definitely!

btw, i've never seen communion anyway. The way you keep recomending it perhaps i should 
The book is decent (B-), the movie is a total dud (D) IMHO (sorry Plato :frown:)

 


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Re: Contact Experiment [Re: Swami]
    #856364 - 09/01/02 09:31 AM (18 years, 23 days ago)

That's ok Swam. I also like Clint Eastwood spaghetti westerns.

De gustibus non disputantum est.

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Re: Contact Experiment [Re: ]
    #856424 - 09/01/02 09:55 AM (18 years, 23 days ago)

An anagram for Squint, er Clint Eastwood is Old West Action - hmmm...


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Re: Contact Experiment [Re: Swami]
    #856543 - 09/01/02 10:53 AM (18 years, 23 days ago)

Perhaps you should read up on the history of the "War of the Worlds" radio broadcast done by Orson Welles.

We are talking about two entirely different things - it's certainly possible to control peoples minds in some subtle manner using radio and TV - the american government have been studying this since the 1920's. The question is whether it's possible to control people's minds to the extent of making them experience vivid alien encounters when they are tripping alone in a room with no input from anyone else. That's a whole other ballgame. Every study that's ever been done from the Nazi's experiments with mescaline in the concentration camps to the CIA's with LSD has shown people cannot be controlled in such a manner.

So the leap in logic to think that because you've seen a film once, then the trip is simply recreating the film is kinda hard to make. You can't influence people by sitting in the room and trying everything within your power to suggest something to them, so how is a film someone saw 20 years ago going to do it?

It's easily proved. For an entire month do nothing but read about aliens, watch films about aliens and meditate "The next trip i will see aliens". At the end of the month, trip. If you see aliens then we can take "it's simply the power of suggestion" seriously.


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Re: Contact Experiment [Re: Xlea321]
    #856592 - 09/01/02 11:16 AM (18 years, 23 days ago)

Perhaps you're forgetting about people who have already had unusual experiences that they're not all together sure how to describe. If they were to read someone else's experience and notice something about it that reminded them of what they've experienced in the past, then it's entirely possible that they'll use similiar wording when describing their own experiences. All this does is make it seem like both events are similiar enough that they could be the same sort of event being experienced by two sperate individuals (par exampla: if person A has an experience with a shadowy figure, but he can't quite describe it...and then he reads about someone else who had an encounter with another shadowy figure, and this person gives a very detailed description...it's entirely possible person A might think something along the lines of "surely that's the same thing I saw" and then subconscious give a similar description based off of the one that was posted by the other individual) I think this is kind of what Swami meant by people's descriptions being 'colored' by other ones that have already been posted.


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Re: Contact Experiment [Re: Mystical_Craven]
    #856628 - 09/01/02 11:27 AM (18 years, 23 days ago)

Well you could be right but I'd like to credit people at the forum with a little more intelligence than that. If they have an experience I'd like to think they would be able to relate it in an honest and intelligent manner. If they can't do that then yes we are wasting our time. The reports I've read so far havn't indicated that's the case yet tho.


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Re: Contact Experiment [Re: Shroomism]
    #856705 - 09/01/02 12:04 PM (18 years, 23 days ago)

You are frightening me!


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Re: Contact Experiment [Re: Shroomism]
    #856715 - 09/01/02 12:06 PM (18 years, 23 days ago)

How do you know the difference between aliens, and evil? :confused: 


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Re: Contact Experiment [Re: Fliquid]
    #857154 - 09/01/02 03:58 PM (18 years, 23 days ago)

At least by posting peoples experiences, others that may not have given there accounts, may be encouraged to come forward. After reading the accounts of others it may be realized that a personal account may be more valid than otherwise thought.


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Re: Contact Experiment [Re: jayson]
    #857199 - 09/01/02 04:19 PM (18 years, 23 days ago)

At least by posting peoples experiences, others that may not have given there accounts, may be encouraged to come forward.

OR we could simply ASK people for their experiences... I don't know what's more encouraging than that. Of course, it's all in private (no public posts, as we've all agreed), so again I fail to see how it would be discouraging. Furthermore, all of us "skeptics" have yet to knock any of the experiences (just read this post) since we've started talking about this experiment.


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Re: Contact Experiment [Re: Sclorch]
    #857562 - 09/01/02 07:14 PM (18 years, 23 days ago)

Ok..sorry I haven't responded..life gets crazy on the weekends..
Alright.. I'll play along... deleting all the other's experiences.

So where do we go from here? I figure from here I am just going to do one on one interviews with the individuals and get more details..then I can compile the raw data like Sclorch suggested.


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Re: Contact Experiment [Re: Shroomism]
    #857634 - 09/01/02 07:48 PM (18 years, 23 days ago)

Yes yes!! Compile Compile!!!




Sorry. Got a little excited.


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Re: Contact Experiment [Re: Sclorch]
    #857654 - 09/01/02 08:00 PM (18 years, 23 days ago)

I'm on it like flies on shit!  :grin:

May take a few days though 


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Re: Contact Experiment [Re: Sclorch]
    #857676 - 09/01/02 08:12 PM (18 years, 23 days ago)

Furthermore, all of us "skeptics" have yet to knock any of the experiences

Knock them? How can you "knock" someone elses experience?

By far the biggest problem with anything like this isn't "colouring" peoples experience or "the power of suggestion" it's the simple fact that language is completely and totally inadequate to describe in any but the vaguest terms a psychedelic experience.


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Re: Contact Experiment [Re: Xlea321]
    #857856 - 09/01/02 09:54 PM (18 years, 23 days ago)

This isn't about any ol' psychedelic experience... it's about ALIEN CONTACT.



On a side note...
A fire can't start itself.
You figure it out.


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Re: Contact Experiment [Re: Sclorch]
    #857923 - 09/01/02 10:28 PM (18 years, 23 days ago)

Lightning has been known to cause fires


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Re: Contact Experiment [Re: Shroomism]
    #858018 - 09/01/02 11:16 PM (18 years, 23 days ago)

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

Deleted posts! Just like fresh meat, nummy nummy for my tummy!

Now were getting somewhere!

Thank you Mr. Shroomism!

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Re: Contact Experiment [Re: Xlea321]
    #858277 - 09/02/02 06:19 AM (18 years, 23 days ago)

By far the biggest problem with anything like this isn't "colouring" peoples experience or "the power of suggestion" it's the simple fact that language is completely and totally inadequate to describe in any but the vaguest terms a psychedelic experience.

The harder an experience is to describe, actually the more the resultant descriptions WILL be colored by previous reports.

A 4D entity that transforms into multiple objects and colors (such as on DMT) is, as you state almost impossible to describe, yet after McKenna, many people clearly state that they have indeed seen the elves. This is most definitely "coloring" as I believe I have witnessed what he is talking about, yet it would never have occurred to me to call "them" elves.


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Re: Contact Experiment [Re: Swami]
    #858280 - 09/02/02 06:26 AM (18 years, 23 days ago)

yet it would never have occurred to me to call "them" elves.

Really this only proves my point. If there are no words to describe what you have seen then what else can we do but borrow some word that vaguely relates to it? I may call an entity "reptilian" but i certainly couldn't take you to a zoo and point one out. Reptilian is simply the closest word that exists in language.

Unless we start creating our own language...


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