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Re: Touching the other side... (profound experience) [Re: Olgualion]
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I've never heard of it, I'll put it on the list of things to look at. Too many books out there, not enough time. I'd have more time to read if I didn't spend time here, but then I wouldn't hear about all the books to read... Wow, life mocks me at every turn. :wink: 


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Re: Touching the other side... (profound experience) [Re: Learyfan]
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well now hes got his faith... and if he wants to take every coincidence and make something crazy up and call it faith then he shall do that.. im just giving my opinion on the whole subject. could be just pure coincidence.


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Re: Touching the other side... (profound experience) [Re: gribochek]
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You are not attentive enough for a skeptic.
Oh, shit. Does that mean I am in danger of being demoted to Skeptic Third Class?

Hey Grib, have printed out your Russian message and put the vase, er, I mean the mystery object on top of the page. Am patiently waiting for your remote-viewer to come through and display my ignorance for all the world to see. Remember March 1 the contest ends and of course, no one will have come even remotely (no pun intended) close to guessing the object.

God I hate always being right.


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Re: Touching the other side... (profound experience) [Re: Droz]
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Maybe I am crazy, maybe not...  I am going to contine to try to learn as much as I can about everything before I die, just in case though. :wink: 

The funny thing is, I was raised Roman Catholic, and went through 12 years of Catholic education.  Force fed their ideas everyday of my life.  I am a very analytical thinker, and up until a few years ago I was also a total skeptic.

After that, I did my best to shed my subconscious of all of the bullshit I had been taught.  I began a search for the truth, My Truth.  I would  just think, and try to understand; psilocybin and MDMA definitely helped.  I didn't read any published books on spirituality because I didn't want them to contaminate my personal search.  Later I picked up a few books on the subject only to find many ideas were the same as my own.  Coincidence? Maybe, but I don't think so.  I think this was another example of just how truly interconnected everything is.

I think my most important belief is that everything is connected, somehow (even if you look at it through degrees of separation).  You can make new connections on anything(magick if you will).

I am really pretty normal, I don't think about this nonstop.  I know what happened during the scrabble game.  I thought through everything that happened over and over.  I checked the name after I saw it at least ten times, then again just to be sure.  I would agree that it could've been my subconscious, except for the mere fact that I had no idea what letters I was picking up.  As well as the very odd feeling I was having at the time.  I am going to stop trying to analyze it, but will welcome him to touch me again, if he wishes.

I am still a skeptic, I don't go around like a fool believing everything I see(like i said i am an analytical thinker), but I can accept that anything is possible.

Everything can be shown through mathematical expression.  I believe that the spirit world is no exception.  At some point, we may be able to prove the existence of things we only know by belief, mathematically.  It will start out as theory, hopefully then someone will come up with the needed exuations for proof. 


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Re: Touching the other side... (profound experience) [Re: Olgualion]
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Not that it really matters, but what was his name?

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Re: Touching the other side... (profound experience) [Re: Swami]
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Swami, how do you know what you would do in the afterlife if you were murderered?

How do you know that you wouldn't see that life is just a game, and that you're not going to get involved in that game anymore unless someone asks you to on a deep level?



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Re: Touching the other side... (profound experience) [Re: Anonymous]
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I really don't want to put it here. I will PM you so long as you tell noone.


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Re: Touching the other side... (profound experience) [Re: Olgualion]
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don't worry about it then... i didn't realize it was sensitive information.

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Re: Touching the other side... (profound experience) [Re: Swami]
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Hmmmm, I was hoping the page would be on top of the object, not the other way around. No wonder now I can't see it :smile:

God I hate always being right.

The sad thing is, you _are_ right.... Also funny. A very funny sad thing. LOL

-- Grib

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Re: Touching the other side... (profound experience) [Re: Anonymous]
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The thing is, it is a fairly uncommon name, and I don't want to take any chances with anything... And besides my gf would be very upset.


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Re: Touching the other side... (profound experience) [Re: Olgualion]
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that's not too uncommon, but understood.

thanks

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Re: Touching the other side... (profound experience) [Re: gribochek]
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Hmmmm, I was hoping the page would be on top of the object, not the other way around. No wonder now I can't see it .

*Swami quickly switches the object and the page.*

Better now? I try to make it as easy as possible to pass the test. - always the accomodating swami


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Re: Touching the other side... (profound experience) [Re: Learyfan]
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Swami, how do you know what you would do in the afterlife if you were murderered?
Of course I don't know, but there is probably still some form of thought if anything at all exists. What makes you believe that the dead would rather tease live relatives with cryptic, meaningless messages than send a message with some content?


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Re: Touching the other side... (profound experience) [Re: Swami]
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I don't think they are teasing the living with cryptic messages.

I believe that they don't find any of our earthly concerns important enough to communicate messages to us if we don't really want it, or ask for it.

How does one "ask for it" is my question. My quess is that you have to ask on some deeper level that we don't usually have access to.



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Re: Touching the other side... (profound experience) [Re: Learyfan]
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or like he said... he felt as though he had a connection with him. maybe this was the spirits way of validating that connection.

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Re: Touching the other side... (profound experience) [Re: Learyfan]
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My thoughts are, since they have lived the earthly life before, probably will again, they may feel there is no need to tell us things we can't or won't understand. We will find out soon enough(they don't have the weight of time to deal with).

About the messages being cryptic: lets use my story. Maybe I have been trying to find more meaning in it than was intended, and all he was doing was very bluntly telling me that he is ok and there really is more to it all than this. I don't find that cryptic in the least.

I do however feel, that our "earthly concerns" are very important to them. This plane is where our Karma is evaluated and spiritual advancement takes place. Then we "cross over" and get to see what mistakes we made in order to try to do better in the next life.

If any of you are interested, this is a great site to visit:
http://www.spiritweb.org/


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Re: Touching the other side... (profound experience) [Re: Olgualion]
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Let me rephrase that: "our earthly concerns" may be important to them, but there is no doubt about the outcome of life to them. They know that we go back to "the essence" when we die, and it's up to us as to how we want to live while we're here. If the consequences of our actions were truely important on a cosmic level, then they would probably find a way to let us know, but they aren't. A thing is just a thing is just a thing and it's up to us to decide "who we are" in relation to all of it.



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